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SiskoKid said:
Are you ****ing kidding me?

The statistics shown were based on hard data. What's wrong with you? When they say it drops less than 1 call per 100 versus a 3G, that's a statistic based on hard data.

As for the media attention, how old are you? I'm curious because it's almost like you've never seen the media take a story and sensationalize it to get ratings, views and hits.

What you point out is based on your OPINION. You're basing that a lot of people aren't calling into AppleCare. What data do you have other than your opinion? Show it, and then we can talk.
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You aren't paying attention to the data. Let me clarify it for you further.

You point out that it drops less than 1 more call per 100 versus the 3GS. Let's examine this further.

What do you think is a reasonable number of dropped calls for the 3GS? Unfortunately they don't tell us. So we have to guess. Maybe 10 per 100? That's 1 in 10 calls dropped. That's a little high. Let's go with 5. Let's say that we guess that the 3GS drops 5 calls per 100.

Now the iPhone 4 drops 1 more call per 100. That's 6 dropped calls per 100. That's an 20% increase in dropped calls.

Would you say that a 20% increase in dropped calls is not a problem? I would call it a big problem.

You can argue that I just guessed 5 in 100 dropped calls and that's no proof. Fair enough, but use any number that is reasonable. Even if the 3GS is at 10 in 100, the iPhone 4 is still 10% worse. 20 in 100? 5% worse. Unless the 3GS drops calls a ridiculous percentage of time, the iPhone 4 is significantly worse.

If you looked carefully at the "hard data" you can see that it's full of flaws.
 
Phokus said:
There '0.55% iPhone 4 owners contacted Apple Care to complain' statistic is the worst one of all. Only a flipping moron would call in to complain when everyone knows about the problem and knows that calling applecare wouldn't fix it. There's this thing called the 'internet' and 'word of mouth'.

Also, dropped calls is still higher than 3GS.

Return rate? Wait until after the press conference, people were waiting to see what apple would do.
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You don't even own an iPhone 4 why do you care?
 
Wow you're an idiot rofl! Haha

solarein said:
You aren't paying attention to the data. Let me clarify it for you further.

You point out that it drops less than 1 more call per 100 versus the 3GS. Let's examine this further.

What do you think is a reasonable number of dropped calls for the 3GS? Unfortunately they don't tell us. So we have to guess. Maybe 10 per 100? That's 1 in 10 calls dropped. That's a little high. Let's go with 5. Let's say that we guess that the 3GS drops 5 calls per 100.

Now the iPhone 4 drops 1 more call per 100. That's 6 dropped calls per 100. That's an 20% increase in dropped calls.

Would you say that a 20% increase in dropped calls is not a problem? I would call it a big problem.

If you looked carefully at the "hard data" you can see that it's full of flaws.
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dogie678 said:
Wow you're an idiot rofl! Haha
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Actually you are the idiot and his analysis of the statistical data is correct.

Everyone with a role of any significance in a company of any significant size knows how to present data in a favorable way, and statistical data is the easiest to manipulate, particularly for an audience that does not understand mathematics and statistics.
 
Will this be the central repository for fanboys to copy and paste links from ad infinitum?

While Jobs may be right in that holding the phone might attenuate the signal, the difference is that it doesn't appear to result in dropped calls or data stalls like it can on the iPhone.

Of course, he didn't say this in the conference. Neither did he use his 18 PhD scientists/engineers and his $100 million test chambers to provide some properly scientific results - not "max bars" vs "min bars". He also didn't compare his flagship model to his previous flagship model. But he wouldn't do that - it might make his phone look worse than the competition.

It will be *very* interesting to see how not only RIM, Samsung and HTC respond, but various manufacturers. Maybe they'll publicly address the shortcomings in Jobs' somewhat biased press conference.
 
I love how the nay sayers say these video mean nothing and prove nothing.

Only videos of the iP4 doing this are valid, everything else is just poppycock.:rolleyes:
 
All I can say after reading this thread is, wow. :( So much misplaced anger. These are just phones people. Let's try not to have MacRumours mirror Engadget comments please. We can be grown ups, yes?

All I know is that I don't really care what my bars do. You either have signal or you don't. This isn't an analog situation.

The bars on my phone can go from 5 to 0 for all I care, because I'm just not dropping calls in the same locations, my home and work, where my 1st gen, 3G, and 3GS dropped 'em like their hot to the point i almost abandoned the iPhone. Couldn't be happier with the iP4 antenna.
 
solarein said:
You aren't paying attention to the data. Let me clarify it for you further.

You point out that it drops less than 1 more call per 100 versus the 3GS. Let's examine this further.

What do you think is a reasonable number of dropped calls for the 3GS? Unfortunately they don't tell us. So we have to guess. Maybe 10 per 100? That's 1 in 10 calls dropped. That's a little high. Let's go with 5. Let's say that we guess that the 3GS drops 5 calls per 100.

Now the iPhone 4 drops 1 more call per 100. That's 6 dropped calls per 100. That's an 20% increase in dropped calls.

Would you say that a 20% increase in dropped calls is not a problem? I would call it a big problem.

You can argue that I just guessed 5 in 100 dropped calls and that's no proof. Fair enough, but use any number that is reasonable. Even if the 3GS is at 10 in 100, the iPhone 4 is still 10% worse. 20 in 100? 5% worse. Unless the 3GS drops calls a ridiculous percentage of time, the iPhone 4 is significantly worse.

If you looked carefully at the "hard data" you can see that it's full of flaws.
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Did you think that maybe most of those dropped calls were just because AT&T sucks? Maybe if we had AT&T 3GS dropped calls and iPhone 4 dropped calls data for MULTIPLE CARRIERS, that would help a lot.
 
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