I think Meta have invested a lot more into this. Yes they are killing it from my POV as an XR developer and I have faith in them to deliver, as they have actually provided us a 'vision' of what they are doing. Nobody knows what Apple is doing which makes it very difficult to commit any resources to. All I believe is Apple is in this for the long haul and also at the premium level - they just need to get the price down a little bit and also provide better developer tools [like Meta].
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Vision Pro 2 May Now Be in Production Ahead of Launch Later This Year
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For Apple it’s likely their stance on privacy that’s keeping them from making glasses like the Meta Raybans. Not everyone wants cameras constantly pointed at them.
People are confused about the VP because they’ve never seen a headset that displays the user’s eyes on the front screen. To some of them it’s off-putting, but they’re confusing off-putting with non-functional, so they conclude it’s isolating. It doesn’t isolate like a traditional headset, and it doesn’t isolate any more than other personal devices like a phone which everyone’s eyes are glued to.
But regardless of how much a device isolates, they all have their place and function. It’s just up to the individual to determine when it’s appropriate to look at their screen or make eye contact with people or even have the device out at all.
I wish everyone had as much common sense as you! Even better, if you can, buy an AVP and try it for 14 days before either keeping it or returning it. The Apple Store demo is okay but is quite heavily controlled so you'll learn a lot more if you have one at home for 14 days.
The Vision Pro accommodates a completely different segment than the Quest headsets and does so better.
The Vision Pro works alongside and in parity with Apple’s firmly established prosumer hardware portfolio.
Quest headsets don’t even have HDR nor the pixel density to watch or consumer premium content well.
Even when it comes to gaming, it isn’t close to rendering current gen games or enables consumption of traditional games on par with traditional gaming consoles.
Meta accordingly loss billions and do not move the needle of prosumers nor premium hardware/content suppliers being interested as much as a Vision Pro.
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What underwhelmed you so much? What does the Quest 3 do better? I'm curious because pretty much everyone I have heard of has enjoyed the demo whether they bought an AVP or not.
I heard similar things said about the iPhone in 2007...
lol, the displays alone are $456 according to ArsTechnika (source: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/202...nents-cost-1542-but-thats-not-the-full-story/ ) And the total BOM cost is $1542 which doesn't include all the research and development, and manufacturing and shipping costs.
You're comparing Apples with, erm, not Apples.
I have the AVP and I still love it. I would rather watch movies or TV on it in bed than my OLEDs. Of course it is not a group experience.
They could remove the outward screen and eye projection. And the avatar-ish Persona. I never used any of those. It would cut down the weight. They also need to allow the software to adjust the horizontal/horizon plane to adapt to the angle of the wearer on command.
I think the tech is still amazing and in the long run will very much change media. But the device is too niche to be the device that changes things. And yeah, we need more apps. Amazon Prime, etc. No reason to not have it.
They could remove the outward screen and eye projection. And the avatar-ish Persona. I never used any of those. It would cut down the weight. They also need to allow the software to adjust the horizontal/horizon plane to adapt to the angle of the wearer on command.
I think the tech is still amazing and in the long run will very much change media. But the device is too niche to be the device that changes things. And yeah, we need more apps. Amazon Prime, etc. No reason to not have it.
"Just liquidate the company and give the money back to the shareholders." - Michel Dell. Oct 6, 1997.
Here's what will make this product fly (in my limited opinion of how things work)
1) Get rid of the front EyeSight. It's over developed and adds unnecessary weight.
2) Work with the best developers to create a "PRO" AR creators studio app. Make this thing MAKE sharable AR experiences.
3) Bang out a ton of media, not just a few movies from Disney or AT+, work all 3D Movies into this experience.
4) Make watching media WITH others who are wearing this, in person, or from other remote locations.
5) Make it $2000 or less.
1) Get rid of the front EyeSight. It's over developed and adds unnecessary weight.
2) Work with the best developers to create a "PRO" AR creators studio app. Make this thing MAKE sharable AR experiences.
3) Bang out a ton of media, not just a few movies from Disney or AT+, work all 3D Movies into this experience.
4) Make watching media WITH others who are wearing this, in person, or from other remote locations.
5) Make it $2000 or less.
I think the Vision Pro can be enjoyed by people who are not family-less hermits.
Are you high? Just announced 104% tariffs on China today. I can’t imagine a world where this is cheaper. Even if the tariffs do eventually end, the cost of everything will skyrocket and never come back down. Just like prices under COVID skyrocketed and never came down. Even for things that weren’t affected by the supply chain. Corporate greed knows no bounds!
I remain convinced there’s no way Apple expects this product to continue to cost more than the average American’s monthly take home pay. It just doesn’t make logical sense, and I don’t have a business degree from a top school like the people making these decisions at Apple.
If Apple expects this to be a success the product line can’t start at $3500. It just can’t. Maybe it’s a cheaper “Vision” and the “Vision Pro” starts at $3500+, or maybe if they’re fine with it being a “hobby” (but even then I’d argue they’re dooming it to irrelevance at $3500).
I think of it like the original MacBook Air - was super overpriced at launch but the price dropped over the years.
I don’t expect the tariffs to be in place by the time the new version is released (I honestly don’t think they’ll be in place in six months, but that’s a whole other discussion), and the expensive part of this tech will have gone down in price in the meantime.
I’ve been saying this for months, long before Trump was elected. I know lots of people disagree with me on this, but I really do think it was intentionally priced where it was knowing it’d not be a smash hit. Maybe they thought it’d sell better than it did, but remember they were only physically able to make 500k of them, so limiting the buyer pool makes sense.
this was always priced as an early adopter product.
test the waters and see where it goes.
it does a lot for the money but most cant justify it.
and as a different interface bits of that will now flow into existing products.
so releasing it hasnt been a waste or failure as some posit.
But what about the rest of the family? They can't see the theater on your face. Is the AVP demographic mostly single people, or for folks that don't interact much with other house members? This isn't an attack or sarcasm, I'm seriously asking because that's a major drawback of the AVP to me. Besides the price, AVP is very isolating...unless that's what you want.
As a AVP owner, I wouldn't be upgrading at all.
Even-though the current M2 has some hiccups from time to time.
But for media consumption, it's more than enough.
Unless, Apple forces us to update Vision OS, and made it become unusable, just like old iPads with latest software.
I remember my 2nd Gen 12.9" iPad was such a beast back then, and now it's very very lacky, even with stock apps.
Even-though the current M2 has some hiccups from time to time.
But for media consumption, it's more than enough.
Unless, Apple forces us to update Vision OS, and made it become unusable, just like old iPads with latest software.
I remember my 2nd Gen 12.9" iPad was such a beast back then, and now it's very very lacky, even with stock apps.
