Vivo Could Announce First Smartphone With Fingerprint Sensor Embedded in Display at MWC2017 Shanghai

[Vanilla35]

What nonsense, company X does a feature so in your mind that means Apple is doing it?

What's the nonsense behind that? You can't just throw an arbitrary "blank mind" concept over it. Everyone on this site knows apple has been willing to, and are attempting to, manufacture an embedded finger print scanner. It's perfectly logical to assume that considering they will 100% be adding this feature at some point - that if another large manufacturer has been able to break through; the biggest company in the world, Apple, will be able to do it as well.

I personally am more cautious about it, but it's a very reasonable assumption.
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Remember the sapphire glass screen that never materialised on any iPhone? Moral of the story, don't look at what chinese manufacturers are implementing to try and second guess Apple.

There's an easy fallback for display glass though. You can't easily fall back from a "requirement" of removing a physical button from a design, as they will absolutely need to do that in order to push iPhone design forward (bezeless display).

But I get what you mean

 

[smacrumon]

First means nothing. Best means everything.

It's possible to be both FIRST and BEST.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

What's the nonsense behind that? You can't just throw an arbitrary "blank mind" concept over it. Everyone on this site knows apple has been willing to, and are attempting to, manufacture an embedded finger print scanner. It's perfectly logical to assume that considering they will 100% be adding this feature at some point - that if another large manufacturer has been able to break through, the biggest company in the world, Apple, will be able to do it as well.

I personally am more cautious about it, but it's a very reasonable assumption.

I'm just saying the biggest isn't always the best. They're always is going to be some little skunk-works team out there that comes up with something fantastic. The original Mac was a skunk-works project in the shadow of the Apple II.

 

[Casiotone]

Vivo is one of the top 4 chinese phone manufacturers (along with Oppo and Huawei), they sold more than 75 million devices last year. Not 70 million in one quarter, but I would still consider ~20 million to be a large scale production.

Apple needs 8-12 million iPhones ready for launch, and millions others for the months that will follow the launch to keep up with demand.

Most of Vivo's sales are probably low-end models, and I'm sure they could get away with only having 10,000 of this new high-end model available at launch and for several months, while still getting publicity for "being first". Apple's stock would get decimated if they did something like this.

 

[TheShadowKnows!]

Andy Ihnatko says it all the time. When you introduce a new feature it had better actually work. Otherwise the customer tries it a few times, realizes it doesn’t work right, turns it off and abandons the feature, never using it again. And we’re not talking about the stragglers for whom tech is anathema and never works for them.

Wow! You just, unconsciously, described a Siri experience!

Sorry dude.

 

[diipii]

"Unlock the future together" How does that work exactly ? I am trying to "reimagine" it.

 

[BigDO]

Wow! You just, unconsciously, described a Siri experience!

Sorry dude.

Ouch.

 

[Vasilioskn]

Ouch.

Swish killed a fish

 

[ravenstar]

What makes you think this is a rush to market? It's not like the idea for under screen fp tech came from Apple. It's also not like Vivo/Oppo (they're the same company) don't have a reputation for introducing new features before other companies.

Deductive reasoning. One would have to be very naive to believe that in a competitive marketplace the plethora of new products trumpeting key features rumored to be in a major player's next flagship product is mere coincidence, or that the early releases weren't rushed to market to be noticed before a behemoth overshadowed them.

 

[actinide]

1) Most individuals in China have no clue as to what this means.

2) Withholding of information is the oldest form of power/control known to mankind. Do yourself a favor. Read 'The Art of War.'

3) One cannot define 'Best.' Too subjective.

1 you know a lot of Chinese.
2 and here we are discussing information related to commercialization. War is a whole other discussion. Stay on topic..
3 My point.. thx

 

[x-evil-x]

I can think of one reason, perhaps this smaller company is better implementing this than Apple is.

nahh

 

[jgdeschamps]

Unless your playing a sport or Olympic event etc.
Or a million and one other things.......

Hey, I came third, but did you see how amazing my t-shirt was, awesome colors....

Oh god he shot me, but my gun was so much better

Yes, lucky for Apple and us -their users- this is not the case.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

Apple needs 8-12 million iPhones ready for launch, and millions others for the months that will follow the launch to keep up with demand.

Most of Vivo's sales are probably low-end models, and I'm sure they could get away with only having 10,000 of this new high-end model available at launch and for several months, while still getting publicity for "being first". Apple's stock would get decimated if they did something like this.

The problem is you're assuming Apple are going to be second (as opposed to third or forth).

 

[ani4ani]

First means nothing. Best means everything.

Often said by those coming second

 

[mdelvecchio]

Only if you're not first.

Nah. only the knockoff brands worry about being first. that’s why they pretty much all suck and or burst into flames.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

nahh

Bravo, what a well reasoned argument.

 

[ani4ani]

Remember fingerprint scanners before the iPhone 5S? Yeah I don't either.

I know there were fingerprint scanners before but they were so bad they are barely remembered by anyone.

Yea, remember when Apple maps came out, more than 5 years after google, yep even then Apple couldn't get them right and still can't. Siri, years after google and still hopeless in comparison. The idea thar Apple take their time and perfect is a myth.
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Nah. only the knockoff brands worry about being first. that’s why they pretty much all suck and or burst into flames.

You can hardly say this company is a knock-off brand given it sells more phones than Apple did three years ago and I would hazard a guess more than Apple does in another two.

 

[Mildredop]

The problem seems to be that Apple don't actually invent/patent technology anymore. They just buy the components like every other company.

As such, nothing is exclusive to iPhone anymore.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Sorry Vivo, but in the true tradition of Chinese companies, you've done a "Ferengi" and copied Apple. I'll never buy a Vivo, whatever you put in it.

Well, no one force you buy and they are even remotely concern about your sale.

So they don't give a **** about how westerners think. You are not their sales target.

You can buy your precious iPhone while I will certainly buy this.
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Much larger companies than Vivo shave been known to copy Apple's marketing, design, technology and even rumors...

***COUGH*** samsung ***COUGH***

Yet Samsung made much better phone than Apple, as far as right now.

Apple is done, it is now selling overpriced junks.

 

[apolloa]

Easy to be beaten by companies that don't have to worry about scale. I'm sure there's a lot of things Apple could do if they didn't have to make 70 million available in a holiday quarter.

Except that argument really does fall utterly apart when the corporation is the third largest on the planet and the richest with endless resources and manufacturing partner pool of the biggest parts manufacturers on the planet....

It's no different for a small outlet to Apple, everything is the same scale in essence.

Apple would actually be a total fail if a small company launched a device with the finger print screen technology and Apple failed to for a year. Yet Apple will still have all those spare billions lying around and endless resources...
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I often wonder if these rush to market products are designed to steal customers from a bigger name or to create market hurdles by giving an impression that the technology isn't worth the premium the bigger name charges? Consumers tend to remember their first experience with a novel feature, and if it's poorly done they tend to disregard further refinements from other manufacturers. Put out an unreliable fingerprint sensor first and the public thinks all fingerprint sensors are unreliable until there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Maybe consumers are smarter these days, but I doubt it.

So who exactly stated this company has rushed to market? You do know LG were showing off this idea about 2 years ago, I believe Google were too. Does every company that beats Apple rush to market? None of them may have actually been working on the idea for several years just because Apple 'may' be doing it..

 

[Tubamajuba]

Come on guys, get real. No company has ever caught wind of what Apple planned on doing and beat them to the punch. Ever. This is just a completely random coincidence that has nothing to do with long-standing rumors about Apple coming up with a good solution to put Touch ID under the display.

 

[Bacillus]

Easy to be beaten by companies that don't have to worry about scale. I'm sure there's a lot of things Apple could do if they didn't have to make 70 million available in a holiday quarter.

Arrghh. Getting soo tired from companies imitating others in advance.
Now on monday Phil and Joni got the idea and thursday those Vivo burglars appeared to have started 2 years earlier... should be sued around the planet for their false secrecy and arrogance...
Just incredible that Vivo didn't ask Cupertino for permission.
Time is there when Apple decides so. Tim said that clearly.

 

[69Mustang]

Deductive reasoning. One would have to be very naive to believe that in a competitive marketplace the plethora of new products trumpeting key features rumored to be in a major player's next flagship product is mere coincidence, or that the early releases weren't rushed to market to be noticed before a behemoth overshadowed them.

Hmmm. I guess that's one way to look at it. Personally, I would have gone the route of thinking that Chinese companies have been interested in, and testing the embedded fp technology from CrucialTec for quite some time since a lot of those companies have already been using CT's tech in their current fingerprint readers. I'd also go a step further in my thinking. Using that aforementioned deductive reasoning, I'd figure those same Chinese companies are next going to adopt v2 of CT's tech that will allow multiple prints to be tied to different applications and the reader to be read from anywhere on the screen.

Besides, deductive reasoning would lead one to understand that most companies realize they don't have to beat Apple to market so there's no need to rush something out. Apple adopting a similar technology gives visibility to all, just ask Spotify.

 

[gaximus]

Unless your playing a sport or Olympic event etc.
Or a million and one other things.......

Hey, I came third, but did you see how amazing my t-shirt was, awesome colors....

Oh god he shot me, but my gun was so much better

Your examples don't make since, having the best shirt has nothing to do with being the best runner, in your examples being the best means you are the first, or being first means you are the best, they are one in the same. But having the best product doesn't mean you are first to market with it.

 

[Appurushido]

Samsunng: Steals the smartphone debut of Apple's full glass screen display
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