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This is one reason we need to stop outsourcing all our manufacturing to China. They don’t abide by our trademarks at all but we have to abide by their trademarks. That kind of relationship doesn’t work.
Exactly. Another example of this is Chinese High Speed Railway system. When China opened the bid for the first HSR projects, they asked foreign manufactures must hand out their core technology, build factories in China, teach Chinese engeinners how it works. China made no effort to create the foundation, and now they are the world's leading solution providers. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Why would it be a turd ? Have you tried it or any other VR headset ? I've tried it and It's technologically superior to every other headset on the market. It's only flaws are the insane price, and the heavier weight compared to something like the Quest 3 ( which I own )

Yes I have tried it, more than a couple times.

Yes, I have tried the others as well.
 
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You clearly have little idea of how it really works. When selling the product, you’ve got to include the R&D costs, which—considering it took more than 16 years to develop—aren’t something you can just ignore.

So yeah, for the components, they obviously pay less than what they sell the device for, but again, you shouldn’t consider just the materials and components alone.
Hmm. Why did you disagree with my comment above, and then essentially say exactly the same thing as that comment ?
 
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Exactly. Another example of this is Chinese High Speed Railway system. When China opened the bid for the first HSR projects, they asked foreign manufactures must hand out their core technology, build factories in China, teach Chinese engeinners how it works. China made no effort to create the foundation, and now they are the world's leading solution providers. 🤷🏻‍♂️
And to be honest, if they’re just doing it in their country, then it bothers me a little less. Clearly this headset isn’t going to be available in the USA because it wouldn’t even make it past customs.
 
You’re absolutely right and that was my point. Apple spent years developing this thing and then some Chinese manufacturer disassembles and reverse engineers it. This is one thing China is really good at.
What I'm saying is that I think it's extremely difficult to reverse engineer a device like this, so it's a "copy" just externally, but surely not internally nor in the software.
 
A use case, same as with Apple.
I don’t think that’s the problem. The problem is the technology is not small enough for what it needs to be a pair of glasses and eventually just contacts the user puts on their eyes not 1.5 pounds strapped to the face that is awkward. I would use the AVP if it was much smaller and weighed far less than currently. The technology is amazing but it’s not miniaturized enough yet.
 
Better specs, yet one third of Apple Vision Pro's price.
What am I missing?
A lot, like what makes a useful product. User experience, platform health, integration with other products to add value. None of that is communicated at this time. More to a great product beyond speeds and feeds.
 
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The part where they didn't have to do any research or development.
I had heard that AVP marks the end of the VR age, but it is completely new to me that it also marks the start of it😁
Seriously hadn't you heard of any other products doing the same thing before AVP?
 
I will be shocked if they actually ship it. The Vision Pro is a terrible product, and as such has been an abject failure. Even at it's absurd price point, the $3,500 iPad for your face has generated about 1 day's worth of Apple's revenue. And in 18 months since its release, there is no successor, no cheaper model, hardly any apps, and hardly any content.

None of which is a surprise at all. Vision Pro stands alone in Apple's lineup as the only piece of objectionable hardware they sell. No one complains about holding a phone in order to use one. No one complains about wearing a watch in order to use one. No one complains about wearing earbuds in order to use them. But absolutely no one wants to wear a heavy, wall-tethered, nausea-inducing, world-isolating headset. No one. It is something that a few tolerate in order to get access to the software. And the software is what it was all about. It is well known that Vision Pro hardware was never meant to be a shipping product. It was built to demo the software. The intended hardware was still years away, and Tim Cook was not willing to wait. The eve of its launch had engineers crying to the press that it shouldn't be released. When else have you ever seen that?

I very much look forward to what Apple will do in the future with spatial computing via normal glasses with real lenses. They can be a game changer product. An everyday product. But the Vision Pro is not that, and can barely even be labeled as a stepping stone. If anything, I worry about the future of spatial as Apple does not double down on failed products.
Speak for yourself, it's my favorite thing apples done since the first iPhone and I use it every day 🤷‍♂️
 
This means that those places are ever more crowded with people. Tourism is awesome…except for all the other people. Consequently, virtual travel is going to have to take the place of some portion of the destination travel.
This
 
sOuRcE!!!! I don't play the internet source game. It has been reported here multiple times that Vision Pro costs around $1,500 to make. Go look it up yourself if you're not informed. I'm not your google bot.
What you're saying is you make up numbers, get offended when someone asks for evidence, and you also ignore the fact that a simple materials cost is not the total cost for Apple to make and support a product.
 
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A lot, like what makes a useful product. User experience, platform health, integration with other products to add value. None of that is communicated at this time. More to a great product beyond speeds and feeds.
Thanks, this actually puts it in perspective.
I kinda knew it already, I just didn't realize that I did 😂
 
Better specs, yet one third of Apple Vision Pro's price.
What am I missing?
the performance? vision pro - albeit being not so useful or transformative so far - does all the compute and GPU tasks locally. it's a standalone device.
 
if they could make a Vision Pro a full fledged Mac with the ability to add thunderbolt 5 storage I think it would make it totally worth its current price and it would prob be my go to machine.
 
No he is saying they are >50%. Gross margins are taken from gross sales.
Technically, >100% is also >50%. ;) But you're correct, I incorrectly specified margins instead of markup.

The commenter said: "That's [$1400] about what Vision Pro costs to make. So in classic Apple fashion, it is sold for more than twice as much."

That's claiming Apple has a markup of around 150%, which is obviously untrue. The commenter is claiming Apple has a gross margin of about 60%, which is unrealistically high for a newly developed hardware product and when we know Apple's overall gross hardware margins are around 40%.
 
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