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So I'm a recent VMware convert from Parallels, maybe 9 months or less. Parallels upgrades, plus changing to one license per machine wasn't fun with an iMac and MacBook. So I made the switch. Anyone know if Fusion 8.5 will run in High Sierra? Would rather skip this version if I can.

I don't know if it will run on High Sierra. But in the past I've had older versions run just fine on newer macOS. I think Mavericks was a bit of a pain. If I recall older VMware VMs would lock up, so an upgrade was necessary. But I think this was because of the more fundamental changes in OSX.

I could see you needing to upgrade if you upgrade your host file system to APFS. I don't know if VMware supports it in 8.5 versions. But otherwise High Sierra not being a big change I could see 8.5 running just fine.
 
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As a basic VMWare user I would like to skip this US$50 upgrade if possible with upcoming HS.
I don't use any virtualization software, but when I had, I was able to do this. Most of the time the older version worked fine on the new version of OS X .
 
Why does everyone talk about emoticons when they reference the Touch Bar? I have had a MacBook for a couple of months now, I love love love the Touch Bar and use it hundreds of times a day. I've never once used it to pick an emoticon.

I think there are a lot of unhappy people in the world. And denigrating something (usually without even giving whatever it is a try) makes people feel better, and gives them a tiny blip of power.
 
I ditched Fusion when they coudn't fix my issue with the vm not starting up. The amount of frustration experienced knew no bounds and they coudn't help. So after 9 years I moved to Parallels.
 
Interested to see how graphics performance compares with Parallels 13 (since Fusion has Metal support). Also will Fusion support DirectX 11 and 12?

I do not believe it is possible for either Parallels or Fusion to support DX11 or DX12 as long as Apple refuses to support OpenGL compute shaders... This is a well known issue and can be researched online.
 
I do not believe it is possible for either Parallels or Fusion to support DX11 or DX12 as long as Apple refuses to support OpenGL compute shaders... This is a well known issue and can be researched online.

They can use Metal now.
 
VMware is by far the best option for Virtualisation. You will get stiffed for upgrades by Parallels much more often. We tend to upgrade our licences every 3 years not every 1/2 years with Parallels. PLus we can move our images to ESXi easily...
^^^This in spades.
I used to rely on Parallels. Even when bummed by the recurring cost of yearly updates ($50 annually). Even so, I was willing to continue.

But no more:
Why? There are no means to export from the Parallels virtualized windows environment to a Windows bare-metal environment.

And why did I care? A few weeks ago, I was forced by my employer to move to a Windows 10, bare-metal machine, a Dell XPS 9560; which was forced by an uber-controlling enterprise IT relying as excuse on newly-published, NIST security standards which rely on domain-based controls.

Hate leaving MacOS for Windows, but I had no way out. This made me confront the nightmare migration from the existing Parallels virtualized VM onto the bare-metal Dell XPS.

A total FUBAR.
 
Oh brother, another thing I have to think about upgrading just to ensure it works with the latest macOS upgrade. I honestly don't think I will bother. Might just settle for VirtualBox for a change. I do like VMWare Fusion, its really polished, I would expect the same with Parallels, but I can't bleed money every years just to ensure compatibility.

You don't have to upgrade. An older VMware version has been running fine on newer macOS releases in the past, I don't see why 8.5 would be different. If you don't see any immediate value in the added features then there's no need to rush the upgrade.

Also, previous years have shown that a promo code or discount for VMware will pop up around Black Friday, so you will be able to get some % off the upgrade price if you want to upgrade, but hold off for a few weeks.
 
They can use Metal now.
Do you know if the Metal support will emulate DX11 & DX12? If it does, that will be a huge game changer for Fusion and VM's in general. Parallels would have to support Metal as well or it would begin to see it's customers wane...
 
Does anyone know if it is now possible to run Snow Leopard (non server) on either of the new versions of Fusion or Parallels?

I still have one legacy software program (scientific) that requires Snow Leopard (for Rosetta).

Thanks!
 
Bought the iMac in july and i was sure they were going to release new version with high sierra so i skipped and installed virtualbox for now (unfortunatelly i have no idea how to use bootcamp with it).

As a student i can have Parallel at 39€ but i haven't find any discount for VMware. Any idea?
 
I'm wondering, what does Parallels get you that VirtualBox does not? VirtualBox is free and the performance seems good enough for most things.
 
Do you know if the Metal support will emulate DX11 & DX12? If it does, that will be a huge game changer for Fusion and VM's in general. Parallels would have to support Metal as well or it would begin to see it's customers wane...

Someone already implemented Vulkan on Metal ( https://moltengl.com/moltenvk/ ), so DX11 should be possible too, but it will take a lot of work probably. Not something that will be ready soon.
 
Wow Metal support, nice
Wondering whether to give this a try instead of Parallels this time around and things like that make me question my loyalty to //s, especially as they've not gotten past DX10 yet.
 
Having used both in the past, I would be firmly in the VMware camp, but to be honest now a days VirtualBox provides all my virtualisation requirements on macOS as most of my VMs are run from another machine.
 
Do any of these virtualization tools running on MacOS support the TPM capability found on most 'professional-level' PCs?

-tnx,
Jeff
 
Bought the iMac in july and i was sure they were going to release new version with high sierra so i skipped and installed virtualbox for now (unfortunatelly i have no idea how to use bootcamp with it).

As a student i can have Parallel at 39€ but i haven't find any discount for VMware. Any idea?
my school offered VMware free through it's software portal, as well as the windows 10 to run on it
 
Bought Fusion 8.5 Pro on Aug 16th. Fuuu!
I asked for a refund so I can re-order and be eligible for a free upgrade. They should've just included all purchases in the last 30 days as eligible for the free upgrade, otherwise they will see a bunch of refunds coming their way.
 
This is slightly off topic but I am running VMWare Fusion 8.5.8 on both my iMac and my late 2013 MBPr. It works great on my iMac. However, because of storage limitations on my MBPr, I had to move VMWare Fusion to a 128 GB Transcend SD drive that I leave permanently installed in my MBPr. This worked fine for a while but now Windows is unusably slow (literally, it takes over 10 minutes to launch a program in Windows on my MBPr while the same program launches in about 2 seconds in Windows on my iMac).

Has anyone else run into this problem? I am sure moving VMWare Fusion to the Transcend SD drive slowed it down some but it was usable for over a year before the responsiveness took such a nose dive that it is now unusable.
 
I'm wondering, what does Parallels get you that VirtualBox does not? VirtualBox is free and the performance seems good enough for most things.
Easy to run bootcamp partition on mac. On virtualbox i only found 1 guide and it is a pain.
 
Do any of these virtualization tools running on MacOS support the TPM capability found on most 'professional-level' PCs?

-tnx,
Jeff
An emulated TPM wouldn't make sense. The entire point of a TPM is to have a key store which problems in your OS can't compromise. Meanwhile, a hypervisor (the generic term for virtualization environments like VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop) exists solely to trick a system into thinking it has exclusive access to real hardware when it's actually using software or arbitrated access to hardware.

If they were to add TPM functionality, where would they store the keys? In a real TPM? That would mean you couldn't move the VM from one machine to another. On top of that, real TPMs have limited capacity; you wouldn't be able to run more than a handful of VMs.

In software? Then a problem in the host OS could leak the guest's key data. There's a whole class of exploits called "guest escape exploits". They are used from inside a VM to escape from the VM and gain control over the host running it. These have not been an area of really deep research yet, but people keep finding guest escape flaws in every hypervisor system so far. This would let an attacker in the guest get access to both the encrypted data in the guest and to the keys by escaping the guest and reading the TPM state from the host.

Your question isn't a bad one. It's just one of the things virtualization will never be able to do safely without major tradeoffs.
 
I've used VMWare since they first went into business, but this year I finally switched to Parallels. I hate the subscription model, but overall the product works really well, and disk I/O is WAY faster than VMWare Fusion. Orders of magnitude faster. I can compile code 6-7 times faster. So until VMWare Fusion addresses the significant disk speed gap, there's no comparison.
 
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