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@wicknix
Hi, I'm again having a little more time to play with my iMac G5 with void 64 bits. And I tested the SpiderWeb and worked just fine, ArcticFox worked as well, but I tried the InterWeb that you made available in your github (https://github.com/wicknix/SpiderWeb/wiki/Download) but when tried to open have an error

Code:
error while loading shared libraries: libatomic.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32


This kind of error should only happen when trying to open an 32 bit application on a 64 bit only environment, right? I double check and downloaded the right file (interweb-20201108-voidlinux-powerpc64-glibc.tar.bz2), how can I fix it? And I realized that your awesome SpiderMail isn't available for 64 bits. What are your instructions for compiling, or there's some requirements for do it right?

The SpiderWeb have some peculiar add-ons that work, but I don't understand what are the requirements, because I use the Open With (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith) in the PaleMoon and other Browsers on Windows, Linux x86_x64 and OSX Leopard to send YouTube and other videos to open on mpv or downloading with youtube-dl (on PPC Linux mpv won't work resolving the links but I'm trying some workarounds and OSX I still don't have any idea). I tried many versions but none worked on SpiderWeb, so there's any secret that you can share to help solving this?

Thanks
 
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Interesting. I'll have to look in to that next time i fire up the dual G5. It's working on that machine, but i haven't installed any void updates in months. It's possible that some update broke it, or possibly i packaged the wrong version.

I never built spidermail for void 64 as it already has a recent thunderbird. You could build it if you'd like, sure. Download this archive which contains the source for spiderweb/spidermail/interweb and faded orb. Then grab this archive which is the modified UXP (mozilla) backend code. The packages you'll need to build it would be gcc, yasm, autoconf213, python27 and ccache and whatever voids equivalent to debians "build-essential" package would be, which included most of the basic -dev packages needed to build stuff. Like gtk2-dev, glibc-dev etc.

To get *some* old firefox/palemoon add-ons/extensions to work you need to modify the extensions install.rdf and add or change the min/max version numbers and the browsers ID. See this thread. Spiderweb uses PM's ID (the first one in the photo linked), the second is firefox/basilisk, and the third is seamonkey. Hope that helps.

Cheers
 
WickNix, I like your linux better as its easier to install for some reason. I keep getting a blank screen when I try to install Void on my G4 DLSD.
 
Interesting. I'll have to look in to that next time i fire up the dual G5. It's working on that machine, but i haven't installed any void updates in months. It's possible that some update broke it, or possibly i packaged the wrong version.

I never built spidermail for void 64 as it already has a recent thunderbird. You could build it if you'd like, sure. Download this archive which contains the source for spiderweb/spidermail/interweb and faded orb. Then grab this archive which is the modified UXP (mozilla) backend code. The packages you'll need to build it would be gcc, yasm, autoconf213, python27 and ccache and whatever voids equivalent to debians "build-essential" package would be, which included most of the basic -dev packages needed to build stuff. Like gtk2-dev, glibc-dev etc.

To get *some* old firefox/palemoon add-ons/extensions to work you need to modify the extensions install.rdf and add or change the min/max version numbers and the browsers ID. See this thread. Spiderweb uses PM's ID (the first one in the photo linked), the second is firefox/basilisk, and the third is seamonkey. Hope that helps.

Cheers
Thanks for the reply.

That's strange some people have problems with Void updates. I installed the XFCE image and updated on 1 of my machines and the other 2 I installed the base system and configured like I like, and so far not a single issue. (except the PulseAudio that came installed in the XFCE ISO that I can't uninstall, but I specified the ALSA output on the applications that matter) What kind of problems you have?

I know that void64 have Thunderbird but it's getting heavier by the day (In my Windows T430 I still have the v68 and the UI I really have a problem with the design language) and for managing my emails I don't need the latest but a reliable email client as the SpiderMail has proven in my PowerBook.

About the error I think that's curious how only 1 of 3 of your browsers could have this kind of error, but I will wait for your tests / findings.

I'll try my best to follow your instructions and compile, but I have some questions:

1)In the moment my iMac only have 2,5GB of Ram, (The 4GB stick it's on the way to upgrade and some other parts. Thanks @Project Alice for the findings) so this could be an limitation for compiling?

2)It have the most recent versions of all your projects, so all of them could be compiled in 64 bits?

About the extensions I didn't know such trickery because I'm so confortable using Classic Add-ons Archive on this legacy browsers (and manually downloading some old extensions in case of some random bug) that it will be fun to learn.
 
@wicknix

Hi, after spending almost 2 days learning the tricks to compile your applications and failing to compile SpiderWeb and InterWeb I decided to document the progress in case of anyone decide to do the same, and if you could point or help to solve I'll be grateful. So let's start!

After downloading your 2 files (wicknix-ppc-browser-src.tar.bz2 & UXP4PPC32-2.2.tar.gz) I opened the terminal and installed many packages (I didn't knew this whole list from start, but after many missing dependencies I think that's requirements to compile)

Code:
sudo xbps-install -S rsync gtk+-devel python-devel autoconf213 yasm gcc glibc-devel ccache autoconf automake clang clang-analyzer clang-tools-extra libgcc-devel  make zip libconfig++-devel bzip2 perl tar  xz fakeroot gnupg  dpkg-devel binutils-devel doxygen  librpm-devel libatomic-devel GConf-devel libvpx-devel alsa-lib-devel libXt-devel python-dbus-devel wget cairo-devel cairomm-devel python-cairo-devel python3-cairo-devel libvpx5-devel libvpx-tools libpulseaudio pulseaudio-devel

Next let's extract both files
Code:
tar -xvf wicknix-ppc-browser-src.tar.bz2

tar -xvf UXP4PPC32-2.2.tar.gz

Since your instructions specified to copy from UXP4PPC32-2.2 I used rsync since it's much faster than using GUI file manager and mv couldn't merge folders if necessary.
Code:
cd good-source/spider-src/

rsync -av /home/dextructor/UXP/UXP4PPC32-2.2/ /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/

Next editing the .mozconfig file replacing with the ones that you provided in the folder "/good-source/spider-src/"
Code:
nano /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/.mozconfig

But some random c compiler errors appears and need to replace the following lines in the InterWeb mozconfig
Code:
export CC="gcc"
export CXX="g++"
...
ac_add_options --target=powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu
ac_add_options --host=powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu

Then what's left it's to finally build
Code:
./mach build

But since I failed with both SpiderMail and InterWeb, I try to understand the errors as much as I could. Begining with the SpiderMail
Code:
 3:15.40 Elapsed: 1.07s; From dist/bin: Kept 821 existing; Added/updated 0; Removed 4 files and 0 directories.
 3:15.64 mozilla-config.h
 3:16.76 buildid.h
 3:17.80 source-repo.h
 3:19.14 In file included from /usr/include/features.h:489,
 3:19.14                  from /usr/include/bits/libc-header-start.h:33,
 3:19.15                  from /usr/include/stdio.h:27,
 3:19.15                  from /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/nsinstall.c:10:
 3:19.16 /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:8:11: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
 3:19.17     8 | # include <gnu/stubs-32.h>
 3:19.18       |           ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 3:19.21 compilation terminated.
 3:19.22
 3:19.22 In the directory  /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/obj-spidermail-dbg/config
 3:19.23 The following command failed to execute properly:
 3:19.23 /bin/gcc -m32 -std=gnu99 -o host_nsinstall.o -c -DXP_UNIX -MD -MP -MF .deps/host_nsinstall.o.pp -O2 -DNDEBUG=1 -DTRIMMED=1 -D_UNICODE -DUNICODE -I/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config -I/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/obj-spidermail-dbg/config -I/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/obj-spidermail-dbg/dist/include -I/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/obj-spidermail-dbg/dist/include/nspr /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/nsinstall.c
 3:19.23 make[5]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/rules.mk:846: host_nsinstall.o] Error 1
 3:19.24 make[4]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/recurse.mk:71: config/host] Error 2
 3:19.25 make[3]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/recurse.mk:33: export] Error 2
 3:19.25 make[2]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/rules.mk:503: default] Error 2
 3:19.26 make[1]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/client.mk:414: realbuild] Error 2
 3:19.26 make: *** [client.mk:170: build] Error 2
 3:19.29 0 compiler warnings present.
 3:19.46 Failed to parse ccache stats output: secondary config (readonly)         /etc/ccache.conf
It appears that don't have the target build to beginning compilation and I don't know how to solve it.

The InterWeb begin to compile and take some time (278 minutes) to output this error.
Code:
278:43.90 In file included from /usr/include/features.h:489,
278:43.90                  from /usr/include/sys/types.h:25,
278:43.92                  from secport.h:42,
278:43.93                  from seccomon.h:27,
278:43.94                  from secasn1.h:17,
278:43.98                  from quickder.c:10:
278:44.00 /usr/include/gnu/stubs.h:8:11: fatal error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory
278:44.00     8 | # include <gnu/stubs-32.h>
278:44.01       |           ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
278:44.02 compilation terminated.
278:44.04 make[7]: *** [../../coreconf/rules.mk:393: /home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/obj-af-dbg/security/nss/lib/util/quickder.o] Error 1
278:44.08 make[6]: *** [../coreconf/rules.mk:101: libs] Error 2
278:44.09 make[5]: *** [Makefile:458: libs-nss/lib] Error 2
278:44.09 make[4]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/recurse.mk:71: config/external/nss/target] Error 2
278:44.12 make[3]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/recurse.mk:33: compile] Error 2
278:44.28 make[2]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/config/rules.mk:503: default] Error 2
278:44.38 make[1]: *** [/home/dextructor/UXP/good-source/spider-src/client.mk:414: realbuild] Error 2
278:44.46 make: *** [client.mk:170: build] Error 2
278:44.63 271 compiler warnings present.
278:50.69 Failed to parse ccache stats output: secondary config (readonly)         /etc/ccache.conf
For what I searched it appears that lacks multilib to proper compile 32bits instructions and since the Void builds don't have this different packages in the PowerPC it's a dead end I guess.

Can you help with your knowledge to advance in this matter?

Thanks
 
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Yeah, 2.5gb ram with at least 1gb swap will be enough to build it. However i can't seem to replicate your build error. To me it looks like your system is missing some dev headers yet. Here is my .mozconfig for interweb and a screenshot of interweb working on void-ppc64 (built with gcc-9.3).

void-mozconfig.png



interwebppc64.png


I'll start a build of spidermail tonight. Hopefully it completes successfully as i haven't touched that code is ages. Will let you know if it completes. If so, i'll upload it.

Cheers
 
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Yeah, 2.5gb ram with at least 1gb swap will be enough to build it. However i can't seem to replicate your build error. To me it looks like your system is missing some dev headers yet. Here is my .mozconfig for interweb and a screenshot of interweb working on void-ppc64 (built with gcc-9.3).
Ok, I already edited the .mozconfig file and about the headers I already had the "kernel-libc-headers" and just installed "linux-headers" and "python3-cppy" but I don't know if I'm missing something. In the meantime I'll just compile. Thanks for the help so far. =)

It's possible that some update broke it, or possibly i packaged the wrong version.
Did you check if you package the right version?
 
Well after more testing I still get the same errors even with your .mozconfig settings. The bright side of all of this experimenting it's the InterWeb it's now working, I suspect that might be some dependency that I installed to compile all of this (I will test it thoroughly when I have more time available in the next weeks) but I still wanna to be able to have this more documented for "the future generations" when someone has the will/needs to experiment/learn to do it.

Thanks
 
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So after betting on a non-working 25 EUR iBook G4 12" , it turned out to be a working 800 Mhz , 640MB RAM model and I thought why not install Void onto it.

I used the musl xfce live cd which strange enough, didn't install xfce so I manually installed X and added bspwm instead.

I have been installing packages until the battery ran out and now all of the sudden xbps-install complains about the SSL certificate of the repo ? I have modified the default repo config , changed it to http to no avail, changed it back to https, did update-ca-certificates (which did nothing) so what could be the issue ?

<DOH> my date is 1970 ...
 
<DOH> my date is 1970 ...
Yep, I had the same error on my A1139 after don't using for a few months and this unit have a battery that won't last 10 minutes so the time/date it's always wrong the first time, so I boot to OSX to adjust time/date and latter boot to Void for long use. I should installed some time sync deamon but with more time I'll make it right.
 
Looks like my PPC Linux is a bit rusty.

I don't seem to have any acceleration with this iBook G4 12" , 800Mhz, Radeon 9200 32Mb VRAM, I can see also in dmesg that it complains about a ROM not being found.

Sound ? do I use snd_powermac (which seems to work) ?
Do I add these modules to /etc/rc.conf ? or what is /etc/modules-load.d/ for ?

BCM43 WiFi is super slow but yeah guess there's not much to do there.

Overal impressed, I'm at 56 MB of RAM being used, just with st as an terminal and zsh running.
 
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Looks like my PPC Linux is a bit rusty.

I don't seem to have any acceleration with this iBook G4 12" , 800Mhz, Radeon 9200 32Mb VRAM, I can see also in dmesg that it complains about a ROM not being found.

Sound ? do I use snd_powermac (which seems to work) ?
Do I add these modules to /etc/rc.conf ? or what is /etc/modules-load.d/ for ?

BCM43 WiFi is super slow but yeah guess there's not much to do there.

Overal impressed, I'm at 56 MB of RAM being used, just with st as an terminal and zsh running.
Anybody that can give me a hint or help ,pretty please ?
 
Does xfce just feel sluggish? If yes, disable window compositing. Its in window manager tweaks in settings. It's enabled by default and is even sluggish on my 9600. Turning it off speeds it back up. You just lose transparency and some unneeded fluff.

Cheers
 
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And the Radeon 9200 , anybody got any clues for that ?
I'm assuming that you installed a very minimal base system, so you need to configure it all. Assuming that you installed all things xorg related (xorg-minimal xf86-video-ati) you may have to configure it. Since I follow "old school" tutorials some parts maybe aren't so needed in modern versions ahead but works for my machines so far =)

1) Identify your graphics and see the results to make sure.
Code:
lspci -v | egrep -i --color 'vga|3d|2d'

This is the GPU on my iMac iSight 20"
Code:
0000:04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV380 [Radeon X550/X600] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])

2)Create (directory and file) > Configure your xorg > Reboot
Code:
sudo mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
sudo nano 20-radeon.conf

Code:
Section "Device"
    Identifier "Radeon"
    Driver "radeon"
        BusID "PCI:04:00:0" (This won't work on AGP devices and I didn't have time to search so delete this line)
    Option "TearFree" "on"
EndSection

3) If you could get image post the initialization now it's testing time
Code:
sudo xbps-install -S glxinfo mesa-demos inxi

vblank_mode=0 glxgears

4) To be sure that you have your graphics enabled by the graphics
Code:
inxi -G

I need to organize and improve my notes, so next time will be better. I hope it will help you.

Check this links to have an idea to tweak your conf file
XORG - Radeon Manual
ATI - ParabolaWiki
 
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Thanks @wicknix and @dextructor for the help already,been a while that I used PPC Linux.

WiFi I used the b43-fwcutter method but installed the version 6 instead of version 5 classic.
It's a lot faster now after installing the classic firmware.

Regarding sound, sudo modprobe snd_powermac works,didn't have to unmute even.
I was just wondering if it is the correct module for this iBook, I remember that you had to choose depending wether your machine was a Powerbook or an iBook.

Likewise I'm loading pmu_battery which gives me info under /sys/class/power_supply but how do I load these at boot, I would a config file here but these directories are empty.

[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ ls -lthr /etc/modules-load.d/
total 0
[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ ls -lthr /etc/modprobe.d/
total 0

Closing the lid, seems to suspend or hibernate the iBook but I can't get it to wake-up again, also wondering where I can check cpu-throttling
( I got stuck on OpenBSD too long losing my PPC Linux knowledge)

Radeon, ok I didn't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf since as you guessed right I installed a minimal xorg and bspwm and still starting X manually using startx.

But either I'm assuming incorrectly but I thought I should be able to playback 360p video using mpv with a decent playback speed, no lags ? Or not ?

All these warnings seem to indicate differently

Code:
[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ vblank_mode=0 glxgears
ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment
*********************************WARN_ONCE*********************************
File ../src/mesa/drivers/dri/r200/radeon_dma.c function r200_radeonReleaseDmaRegions line 372
Leaking dma buffer object!
***************************************************************************
514 frames in 5.0 seconds = 102.638 FPS
301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.030 FPS
299 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.749 FPS
300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.890 FPS
^C
[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ inxi -G

Graphics:  Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] RV280/M9+ [Mobility Radeon 9200 AGP] driver: radeon v: kernel
           Display: server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: ati,radeon unloaded: modesetting resolution: 1024x768~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5C63) DRI2 v: 1.3 Mesa 21.1.4
[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ glinfo | grep -i render
GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI R200 (RV280 5C63)  DRI2


[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ glinfo | grep -i vendor
GL_VENDOR: Mesa Project

[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ sudo dmesg | grep -i radeon

[   15.242156] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled.
[   15.242424] fb0: switching to radeondrmfb from OFfb ATY,Via_A
[   15.244822] fb1: switching to radeondrmfb from OFfb ATY,Via_B
[   15.248228] radeon 0000:00:10.0: vgaarb: deactivate vga console
[   15.248678] radeon 0000:00:10.0: enabling device (0006 -> 0007)
[   15.253306] radeon 0000:00:10.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0x0000
[   15.253351] radeon 0000:00:10.0: Invalid PCI ROM header signature: expecting 0xaa55, got 0x0000
[   15.253367] [drm:radeon_get_bios [radeon]] *ERROR* Unable to locate a BIOS ROM
[   15.254412] radeon 0000:00:10.0: VRAM: 128M 0x0000000098000000 - 0x000000009FFFFFFF (32M used)
[   15.254430] radeon 0000:00:10.0: GTT: 512M 0x0000000078000000 - 0x0000000097FFFFFF
[   15.261654] [drm] radeon: 32M of VRAM memory ready
[   15.261670] [drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.
[   15.273300] radeon 0000:00:10.0: WB disabled
[   15.273326] radeon 0000:00:10.0: fence driver on ring 0 use gpu addr 0x0000000078000000
[   15.274635] [drm] radeon: irq initialized.
[   15.279145] [drm] radeon: ring at 0x0000000078001000
[   15.680839] [drm] radeon legacy LVDS backlight initialized
[   15.680865] [drm] Radeon Display Connectors
[   16.989400] radeon 0000:00:10.0: [drm] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
[   17.003252] [drm] Initialized radeon 2.50.0 20080528 for 0000:00:10.0 on minor 0

[uz3r@snailbook ~]$ mpv Raised.by.Wolves.S01E01.WEBRip.x264-ION10.mp
(+) Video --vid=1 (*) (h264 720x400 23.976fps)
(+) Audio --aid=1 --alang=eng (*) (aac 2ch 48000Hz)
File tags:
Comment: RARBG - Raised.by.Wolves.S01E01.WEBRip.x264-ION10
Title: RARBG - Raised.by.Wolves.S01E01.WEBRip.x264-ION10
error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.

[vo/gpu/opengl] At least OpenGL 2.1 or OpenGL ES 2.0 required.

error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.

[vo/gpu/vulkan/libplacebo] EnumeratePhysicalDevices(inst, &num, NULL): V
[vo/gpu/vulkan/libplacebo] Found no suitable device, giving up.
[vo/gpu/vulkan/libplacebo] Failed initializing vulkan device
error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.

[vo/xv] Warning: this legacy VO has bad quality and performance, and wil
ur graphics drivers, or not force the xv VO.
AO: [alsa] 44100Hz stereo 2ch float
VO: [xv] 720x400 => 720x405 yuv420p
AV: 00:00:01 / 00:53:07 (0%) A-V:  0.402

Audio/Video desynchronisation detected! Possible reasons include too slow
hardware, temporary CPU spikes, broken drivers, and broken files. Audio
position will not match to the video (see A-V status field).
 
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Closing the lid, seems to suspend or hibernate the iBook but I can't get it to wake-up again, also wondering where I can check cpu-throttling
For what I'm aware after kernel 3.x the suspend/sleep it's broken I don't use as much when in PPC machines, but if you miss this feature the Lubuntu 12.04 Remix-v4 even with the "new kernel" works but for the throttle it's governor config in kernel. It's interesting when you try to have more battery autonomy but it's out of my knowledge.
But either I'm assuming incorrectly but I thought I should be able to playback 360p video using mpv with a decent playback speed, no lags ? Or not ?
I was testing last year mpv on my A1139 (DLSD 17'') and even with the 1.67GHz G4 and Radeon 9700 I couldn't get a great performance with stock configs for mpv, it will need to tweak the VO with XV, framedrops and something more that I don't remember now. This player has aims to quality and it gets when your hardware can process it, so the Void maintainer @q66_ told me trough email that mplayer and vlc with some tweaks could perform better and mplayer with framedrops, cache XV really it's more "watchable", but since the few free time that I have now I spent on my iMac G5 because of the better CPU because according to Wikipedia article about the X600 XT: "They were nearly identical to the chips used in Radeon 9550 and 9600, only differing in that they were native PCI Express offerings" but I managed to have a better performance with mpv at 720p 60fps h264 tweaked in this machine that with the G4.

To my knowledge your diagnostic outputs are fine.
 
Uninstalled mpv , installed mplayer and boom , it does complain that the machine is too slow but plays the same video in sync with the audio instantly. Should have guessed that mplayer was better on slower machines from my SMtube OS X experience.
 
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Suspend to disk seems to work when done manually , it does take a bit more time than Suspend to RAM off course.

(as root) echo -n disk >/sys/power/state

Closing the Lid looks like it's trying to do Suspend to RAM but gets stuck.
 
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Im going crazy

Is it possible to install Void64 (with GUI) on a PowerMac G5 with a 6800 Ultra?

The GUI of the Live CD ist hanging with this:

IMG_1967.jpg
 
Is it possible to install Void64 (with GUI) on a PowerMac G5 with a 6800 Ultra?

The GUI of the Live CD ist hanging with this:
I couldn't find exactly the answer but musl and nouveau aren't good friends and @wicknix Lubuntu thread have instructions for your card using yaboot and older kernel (lower than 5.x):

Code:
'live video=TV-1:d video=TV-2:d video=offb:off nosplash'

Other alternative it's to download the ROOTFS iso, then boot in the CLI and install a minimal system to troubleshoot your problem. The Official PPC FAQ mention that this cards should work. And this was posted by Adélie Linux developer that worth the shot.

Please try this solution for yaboot and kernel 4.X and also if this "works" on GRUB with the 4.X and 5.X kernel to help other with the same problem.
 
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