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As I said, all I'm hoping for is some more professionally friendly machines. The ultimate workstation would be the cmbp 15" with a retina display. I don't think Apple will introduce one, but here's to hoping they'll do it :)

cMBP 15″ with a Retina display? But isn't that what rMBP 15″ is? :confused:
 
Why don't you just stay on this thread instead?

Ok i'll stay here: pasted my post xP

Some points about next maxwell:

The previously GK108 (630m), GK107 (650m 750m) used in Kepler and GK106 (660m 760m) was:

[Cuda core:texture units:ROPs]

GK108 nm 40 ( old process from Fermi) 96:16:4 switched later in 700 series to:
GK208 nm 28 384:32:8 on 730m 128bit

GK107nm 28 384:32:16 (both 650m 750m)128bit

GK106 nm 28 768:64:16 660m 192bit
Reference: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_Series http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_700_Series

Now some chips Maswell has leaked:

GM106 nm 20 2304:144:24 192-bit (future 860m)

GM108 nm 20?(probably considered the number of core) 1024:64:16 128-bit

For comparison:
780m is 1536:128:32 256bit
770m is 960:80:24 192bit
765 is 768:64:16 128 bit

Source: http://www.hitechreview.com/it-products/pc/rumor-details-nvidia’s-maxwell-chips/44955/

We know that the new 850m should adopt the GM107 nm20 with parameters between the other 2 leaked

Considered that we should expect a 1536:80:16 (hoping 192 Bit ) that is very likely to hit 3 times performance for watt as the slide in upper post says and perform the fps I have hypothesised(here: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=334610 )
That means performance like 770m maybe slightly better or lower nvidia's architect know how boost it..I sure hope better then 770m for my june refreshed rMBP
 
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Why don't you just stay on this thread instead?
Maybe because the post has nothing to do with the Broadwell MBP?

Hopefully the 13" will get quad-core processors when a retina Air is released. I hope it's next year ;), but still buying a 13" rMBP anyway
It's not clear whether you hope the 13" MBP or the 13" MBA will get quad-core processors, but it seems like the latter -- unless you expect the Broadwell MBP to be released at the same time as the Retina MBA.

The 13" Broadwell MBP is likely to have a quad-core option. The 13" Broadwell MBA will almost certainly remain dual-core only.
 
I am waiting to see how fast the Maxwell cards are. I think the balance of Maxwell and Broadwell will make a perfect rMBP.
 
I am waiting to see how fast the Maxwell cards are. I think the balance of Maxwell and Broadwell will make a perfect rMBP.

You're assuming that just because Maxwell is fast that we'll see it in the MBP. Given the historical context behind the Apple-Intel relationship, I think that assumption is flawed.
 
Just want to make sure it is 100% future-proof so I can keep it long enough, but at this time I have my head pretty much made up to buy the 13" anyway!
Now just thinking between 8-16GB.

The dual-core processors in the rMBP are going to be plenty fast for years to come. I wouldn't worry about it. People get too caught up in the specs.

When quad-core comes to the 13-inch, whether it be next year or two years from now, I want it to maintain the same TDP. Apple dropped from 35W CPUs down to 28W with the new Haswell rMBP. 35W quad-cores are available, but I'm sure Apple wants to keep it under 30W for the 13". dGPUs will never come back to the 13", and personally I wouldn't want them. Give me quad-core and the next version of Intel's Iris GPU and I'll be happy.

Keep in mind that the 13-inch also only has one fan now. Instead of two.
 
The dual-core processors in the rMBP are going to be plenty fast for years to come. I wouldn't worry about it. People get too caught up in the specs.

When quad-core comes to the 13-inch, whether it be next year or two years from now, I want it to maintain the same TDP. Apple dropped from 35W CPUs down to 28W with the new Haswell rMBP. 35W quad-cores are available, but I'm sure Apple wants to keep it under 30W for the 13". dGPUs will never come back to the 13", and personally I wouldn't want them. Give me quad-core and the next version of Intel's Iris GPU and I'll be happy.

Keep in mind that the 13-inch also only has one fan now. Instead of two.

Not caring a single thing about dGPU here too. iGPU is better for people who that is enough. Besides it provides better battery life, less thickness, less weight.
Quad-core next year would be great because I'm actually holding a step back and only buy the machine next year. Cheaper 16GB RAM would be cool as well but I'm not expecting prices to go down if a quad-core comes along.
 
Not caring a single thing about dGPU here too. iGPU is better for people who that is enough. Besides it provides better battery life, less thickness, less weight.
Quad-core next year would be great because I'm actually holding a step back and only buy the machine next year. Cheaper 16GB RAM would be cool as well but I'm not expecting prices to go down if a quad-core comes along.

Do you have a perfectly working Mac right now? If so then I would just wait for next year. I can't, though. I need the rMBP now.

The Pro line is always going to be expensive. The 13" rMBP got their price drop this year, but the component upgrades are always going to be expensive.
 
Do you have a perfectly working Mac right now? If so then I would just wait for next year. I can't, though. I need the rMBP now.

The Pro line is always going to be expensive. The 13" rMBP got their price drop this year, but the component upgrades are always going to be expensive.

I know.
But just compare with the prices from last year. One year ago you'd get a computer with worse internals (not neglibible) for $1700. Less SSD storage, non-PCIe, a tad slower RAM, somewhat slower processors. This year you can get a better setup for $1500. So yeah, things have actually moved along very nicely for the 13" rMBP concerning price
 
You're assuming that just because Maxwell is fast that we'll see it in the MBP. Given the historical context behind the Apple-Intel relationship, I think that assumption is flawed.

You don't think it'll be in the $2,599 model and that Apple won't utilize the 850M? If not, they're definitely going to use it in the iMac. Intel's graphics still got a ways to go before they're completely ready for primetime.
 
You don't think it'll be in the $2,599 model and that Apple won't utilize the 850M? If not, they're definitely going to use it in the iMac. Intel's graphics still got a ways to go before they're completely ready for primetime.

No, I don't. Apple's never shied away from taking a dump on graphics performance in the name of marketing/battery/power/form factor/any number of other things. Intel's iGPU development has been spurred by Apple as much as anyone.

I'm not disputing that Maxwell will mop the floor with Broadwell graphics. I just think that increasingly, Apple cares about "good enough" for a variety of other reasons.

I selfishly hope to see the 850M. I just don't think it's the most likely outcome.
 
Can someone with a bit of knowledge just clarify one thing for me:

If rMBP 13 goes to quad core, will that also effect the Iris graphics? I mean, aren't the graphics just a function of the CPU now? So would quad core add 50% or so to frame rates?

If that is the case, quad core could be a major boost, given that broadwell is looking like offering something in the range of 40% gains just on architecture alone.
 
Can someone with a bit of knowledge just clarify one thing for me:

If rMBP 13 goes to quad core, will that also effect the Iris graphics? I mean, aren't the graphics just a function of the CPU now? So would quad core add 50% or so to frame rates?

If that is the case, quad core could be a major boost, given that broadwell is looking like offering something in the range of 40% gains just on architecture alone.

1) nobody knows if 13-inch rMBP will get quad-core. It's pure speculation.
The way it works with Haswell, and most likely broadwell is as well, is that quad-core can get the iris pro. Iris pro is better graphics than those in dual-core(rMBP 13 Haswell).

2) Ad 50% to framerates? That depends on the game you want to play. Some games are bound by CPU mostly, some by GPU. A game like Total War or Guild Wars 2 is very dependant on a fast CPU, because they cover many characters, large areas. That taxes the CPU so these types of games benefit greatly from quad-core. Twice the number of actual cores is a massive performance boost.

Some games are GPU bound. Like Crysis. Games like these have high level of effects like advanced shaders, normal mapping, real time shadow, advanced forms of blur and so on. These types of things taxes the GPU.

Some games are heavily dependent on both CPU and GPU. Games like Battlefield 4 taxes both the CPU and the GPU thanks to a big scope(big world, lots of characters and geometry) as well as advanced graphics technologies.


So it's impossible to say how much it would improve if 13 inch rMBP goes to quad-core and possible iris pro graphics. If heating would be an issue they would might have to clock the quad-core a lot lower than their dual core counterpart, and then performance becomes up to if the individual games takes advantage of more than two CPU cores, or it mainly takes use of two cores with a lot of MHz. So it depends on the game.

We don't know how much the next gen graphics from Intel will improve, but 20-40% are the targets I've heard. So rule of thumb is expecting something in between that. 25-35% increase. Perhaps for Iris, perhaps for Iris Pro. perhaps for both.



But I will repeat myself again: If gaming is important to you. If a significant reason for buying this machine is gaming. Then please. Please get the one with the dedicated graphics.
Light gaming is fine on the 13-inch haswell. It's completely fine, but light gaming also means you can't expect to be get mad when a game you wanna play don't really run because it was not optimized for integrated graphics.
It's about drivers, dedicated vram and many computer games being decided to run on dedicated graphics cards. The 15-inch with 750m is expensive, but if you really wanna game a lot. Then I really think you should go for that. The next line up of games like Titanfall, GTA5 PC and Watch_Dogs are going to require a lot of Vram I think. And a fast quad.
 
1) nobody knows if 13-inch rMBP will get quad-core. It's pure speculation.
The way it works with Haswell, and most likely broadwell is as well, is that quad-core can get the iris pro. Iris pro is better graphics than those in dual-core(rMBP 13 Haswell).

2) Ad 50% to framerates? That depends on the game you want to play. Some games are bound by CPU mostly, some by GPU. A game like Total War or Guild Wars 2 is very dependant on a fast CPU, because they cover many characters, large areas. That taxes the CPU so these types of games benefit greatly from quad-core. Twice the number of actual cores is a massive performance boost.

Some games are GPU bound. Like Crysis. Games like these have high level of effects like advanced shaders, normal mapping, real time shadow, advanced forms of blur and so on. These types of things taxes the GPU.

Some games are heavily dependent on both CPU and GPU. Games like Battlefield 4 taxes both the CPU and the GPU thanks to a big scope(big world, lots of characters and geometry) as well as advanced graphics technologies.


So it's impossible to say how much it would improve if 13 inch rMBP goes to quad-core and possible iris pro graphics. If heating would be an issue they would might have to clock the quad-core a lot lower than their dual core counterpart, and then performance becomes up to if the individual games takes advantage of more than two CPU cores, or it mainly takes use of two cores with a lot of MHz. So it depends on the game.

We don't know how much the next gen graphics from Intel will improve, but 20-40% are the targets I've heard. So rule of thumb is expecting something in between that. 25-35% increase. Perhaps for Iris, perhaps for Iris Pro. perhaps for both.



But I will repeat myself again: If gaming is important to you. If a significant reason for buying this machine is gaming. Then please. Please get the one with the dedicated graphics.
Light gaming is fine on the 13-inch haswell. It's completely fine, but light gaming also means you can't expect to be get mad when a game you wanna play don't really run because it was not optimized for integrated graphics.
It's about drivers, dedicated vram and many computer games being decided to run on dedicated graphics cards. The 15-inch with 750m is expensive, but if you really wanna game a lot. Then I really think you should go for that. The next line up of games like Titanfall, GTA5 PC and Watch_Dogs are going to require a lot of Vram I think. And a fast quad.

I think you literally addressed everything except what he was asking for

Can someone with a bit of knowledge just clarify one thing for me:

If rMBP 13 goes to quad core, will that also effect the Iris graphics? I mean, aren't the graphics just a function of the CPU now? So would quad core add 50% or so to frame rates?

If that is the case, quad core could be a major boost, given that broadwell is looking like offering something in the range of 40% gains just on architecture alone.

I don't think Iris Pro (being the only powerful iGPU on the market) is indefinitely linked to the CPU in regards to it's performance. It is like most dGPU's in terms of how it operates but it shares it's equivalent of vRAM with the CPU. The cache is what makes Iris pro not ***** (compared to other iGPU's), but that does not relate to the CPU either.

Broadwell should have your average GPU bump over Iris Pro. What I'm waiting for is to see what card they put in the "Overpriced" model. ;)

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I don't mean to damper everyone if this has already been mentioned, but do we know anything more about Maxwell at this point? Do we have a potential card that fits well with TDP for the rMBP? Any other info? I've been out of the MBP section of the forum for a couple months
 
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No, I don't. Apple's never shied away from taking a dump on graphics performance in the name of marketing/battery/power/form factor/any number of other things. Intel's iGPU development has been spurred by Apple as much as anyone.

I'm not disputing that Maxwell will mop the floor with Broadwell graphics. I just think that increasingly, Apple cares about "good enough" for a variety of other reasons.

I selfishly hope to see the 850M. I just don't think it's the most likely outcome.

Regarding the future of dGPU's: I think it's more relevant if they will change the body of the 15" rMBP or not for the next version. If they don't, the space is still there for a dGPU. In that case I'm sure there will be a model with a dGPU again (probably the high-end one like this Haswell generation).

If they change the body of the device (even thinner/lighter), I also believe the chances are higher for an iGPU only approach. We will see. But having read the endless debates before the Haswell models came out (so many people saying no dGPU), I'm getting a Deja-vu. Don't forget that Apple's target market is shifting more and more towards the mainstream. They don't know what Iris Pro is, they don't have the patience to learn what it is. They know that NVIDIA graphics are "strong" and would laugh that a 2000-2600 dollar/euro laptop doesn't come with an "NVIDIA chip".

I can perfectly imagine so many people I know saying "pffff don't buy Apple laptops, they cost so much and don't even come with NVIDIA graphics, while other 800,- laptops do, lol!!!" It's sad but I understand those reactions if you have a very limited knowledge of this stuff. And in the end Apple cares about making a lot of money, let's be honest.

Just my thoughts
 
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