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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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No. It will not run cooler than last years model. Thermal heat will be the same if Apple will put 75-80W border for the Processor and GPU.
I'm still in for late next week...If the wait is until October, that's 16 months with basically the same processor in their flagship laptop when sales have been down...just don't see the call on the 23rd saying, yeah, we're just gonna keep selling this Ivy bridge Macbook Pro until the fall...go buy an Air instead and be happy...
However, I'm usually wrong about something at least once a day - hope this isn't it though.
However, I'm usually wrong about something at least once a day - hope this isn't it though.
Yes, but the real power consumption is about 82 under heavy cpu/gpu load (Crysis3). Look at: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/intel-iris-pro-5200-grafik-im-test/6/
I highly doubt the prices will go up. Many people are predicting the cMBPs will not be upgraded to Haswell or even discontinued. If that happens, the rMBP prices will likely drop. Also, the MBA prices dropped this year, so that is another sign. I would expect a $100-200 drop, or the same prices
EDIT: note that the prices of some of the models already dropped earlier this year for the Feb. update.
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I'm still in for late next week...If the wait is until October, that's 16 months with basically the same processor in their flagship laptop when sales have been down...just don't see the call on the 23rd saying, yeah, we're just gonna keep selling this Ivy bridge Macbook Pro until the fall...go buy an Air instead and be happy...
However, I'm usually wrong about something at least once a day - hope this isn't it though.
I honestly don't think Apple cares about being up to date anymore. Look at the Mac Pros - massively out of date hardware, soon to be replaced with a locked-down mini tower. It would suck if the Air was only model left with up-to-date specs when every other premium company already has Haswell models. Still, Apple's got a lot of products to refresh this year (just look at the buyer's guide, everything's red/yellow). I hope they will announce something next week and not leave all of those updates till September/October.
I'm still in for late next week...If the wait is until October, that's 16 months with basically the same processor in their flagship laptop when sales have been down...just don't see the call on the 23rd saying, yeah, we're just gonna keep selling this Ivy bridge Macbook Pro until the fall...go buy an Air instead and be happy...
However, I'm usually wrong about something at least once a day - hope this isn't it though.
I actually tend to think you're right, and the reason has to do with what we saw in last quarter's earnings call. Mac sales were down year-over-year (3.9M units, versus 2012Q2 4.0M units).
Add to that the facts that:
2013Q3 revenue guidance is $33.5B to $35.5B
2012Q4 revenue was $36B, which included 5M units (among which were the early rMBP sales)
*The trends have been declining desktop sales and increasing laptop sales
All of that, plus the fact that the current line of rMBPs are long in the tooth, creates a pretty compelling economic case for releasing units sooner rather than later. Missing guidance/expectations is a really, really big deal, as is a year-over-year decline in revenue and/or profit. As such, delaying Haswell models by 2-3 months entails a very real risk of those misses.
The stock price has been hammered in recent months, and it's probably more important now than ever for Cook to demonstrate that this is not a company with negative sales growth. His new compensation scheme, and the shift in how Apple issues its guidance numbers, suggests that there will be renewed focus on meeting the numbers and the stock price.
TL/DR for people who hate or don't want to think about accounting: Assuming Apple can produce these models in short order, the business case for getting them out sooner than October is extremely strong.
The CPU with only HD 4600 is using 79 watts in the same test, and that should be roughly comparable to the thermal load of the CPUs in the current 15" rMBP.
Perhaps the max heat load will be similar as the Ivy bridge models but without having to throttle the CPU/GPU at high loads.
I don't think it's that they "don't care" about being up to date. They just recognize that the server market is dwindling, and it's historically been a very difficult market for them to make inroads. As such, it doesn't make a lot of sense to devote a ton of resources to that market.
The iMac and the MBP line are both due for a refresh. I would be utterly shocked if we don't see updates to either until September/October.
This is an excellent argument well stated. Agree and hope you're right!
This is an excellent argument well stated. Agree and hope you're right!
And you could see this past week that Google and Microsoft stock holders weren't shy about selling shares...
Hi guys,
No change in order status for those two orders. For those that are coming late into the discussion, there were two orders I placed through my school.
One order was placed on Monday, July 8th. It consisted of two stock MacBook Pros: One 13-inch retina, 2.6GHz, 256GB, and the other a classic 15" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz. Apple emailed me on July 16th saying that there is a delay & the order should ship on or before July 23rd.
The other order was placed on Wednesday, July 10th. It consisted of a stock 2.4GHz 15-inch retina MacBook Pro. Apple emailed me on July 18th saying that there is a delay & the order should ship on or before July 25th.
I should note that our order for 280 (yes, you read that right) 13-inch MacBook Airs placed on Monday, July 1st shipped late last week & we should have them by Wednesday.
Who's to know what's going on at Apple. Could they be crushed with orders now that it's summer & they have their back to school promotion going on? Possibly. It just seems peculiar that Haswell-based MacBook Pros should be around the corner and lo & behold there are delays on something that's been readily available for the past 6+ months. After all we had ordered two of the stock 2.6GHz 13-inch retinas on June 26th & they shipped on June 29th.
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I should also note that I have seen Apple do this before. I have been doing the ordering for years. When a new product launch is near, they dry up the education channel well in advance of the consumer channel. In the past Apple used to make it obvious on their site by jumping the lead times to 7-10 days or 1 to 2 weeks. They haven't done that yet that on their new e-commerce site for education.
I have also seen delays all of a sudden go away too & surprisingly get the email that the item in delay has shipped... but this just feels a little different given my experience. I could be wrong.
No change in order status for those two orders. For those that are coming late into the discussion, there were two orders I placed through my school.
One order was placed on Monday, July 8th. It consisted of two stock MacBook Pros: One 13-inch retina, 2.6GHz, 256GB, and the other a classic 15" MacBook Pro 2.3GHz. Apple emailed me on July 16th saying that there is a delay & the order should ship on or before July 23rd.
The other order was placed on Wednesday, July 10th. It consisted of a stock 2.4GHz 15-inch retina MacBook Pro. Apple emailed me on July 18th saying that there is a delay & the order should ship on or before July 25th.
I should note that our order for 280 (yes, you read that right) 13-inch MacBook Airs placed on Monday, July 1st shipped late last week & we should have them by Wednesday.
Who's to know what's going on at Apple. Could they be crushed with orders now that it's summer & they have their back to school promotion going on? Possibly. It just seems peculiar that Haswell-based MacBook Pros should be around the corner and lo & behold there are delays on something that's been readily available for the past 6+ months. After all we had ordered two of the stock 2.6GHz 13-inch retinas on June 26th & they shipped on June 29th.
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I should also note that I have seen Apple do this before. I have been doing the ordering for years. When a new product launch is near, they dry up the education channel well in advance of the consumer channel. In the past Apple used to make it obvious on their site by jumping the lead times to 7-10 days or 1 to 2 weeks. They haven't done that yet that on their new e-commerce site for education.
I have also seen delays all of a sudden go away too & surprisingly get the email that the item in delay has shipped... but this just feels a little different given my experience. I could be wrong.
That is indeed exciting! Hope Apple will take my money next week on a maxed out Haswell rMBP!
So how do 280 Macbook Airs arrive??? On a pallet?
They come in 5-packs. So they're coming in 56 boxes.
Yeah that's definitely interesting. The official release date has to be so close that whoever ordered would get the new Haswell rMBPs instead, so the delay makes sense. I still see 1-2 business days for rMBP shipping though.
Wouldn't people ordering like that get what they ordered? I think Apple would still ship you the current rMBP.
It seems possible that Apple would delay recent shipments in order to give those people a chance to cancel the order when the new line is released. In order to avoid the hassle of a return. But that's just speculation.
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