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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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well, Speedtest isn't a good way to test your wireless performance.
a NAS do a better job due to consistent transfer speed.
or even two computers running Wifi throughput software.
the charts in my previous link shows the N66u transfers wayyy above others, at 136MB/s ... thats 900Mbps range ...
well, Speedtest isn't a good way to test your wireless performance.
a NAS do a better job due to consistent transfer speed.
or even two computers running Wifi throughput software.
the charts in my previous link shows the N66u transfers wayyy above others, at 136MB/s ... thats 900Mbps range ...
Can't find the RT-N66U benchmarks, but found the EA-N66 which is a different model. You are referring to the 137Mbits/s 5Ghz UpDown throughput?
wrong chart
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/router-charts/bar/113-5-ghz-dn-c
there you found the RT-n66u
Since the 23rd is really the only time a new rMBP could be released before October I think that I'll just wait the 3/4 days until I start making strong decisions about purchasing the early 2013 model if Haswell isn't released. dGPU is also a strong, concentrated point that will change my buying decision if they decide to leave it out in the refresh. I need a dGPU, I don't want it, I need it.
The 23rd seems hopeful though. With the knowledge that Apple has pre-released hardware before a new OS and the fact people are getting shipping delays until the 23rd makes me feel hopeful.
The 23rd seems hopeful though. With the knowledge that Apple has pre-released hardware before a new OS and the fact people are getting shipping delays until the 23rd makes me feel hopeful.
I hope you are right HFX! I was SURE id be getting the haswell retina model in June.. that was major suckage! I'm hoping after next week there will be closure. I'm hoping that if it isnt released next week - that it wont be released until October. Buying next week to meet my school deadline for a computer and then it comes out in August would really eat at me.
So the best Macrumors educated (from prior years) prediction is Next week or late Sept/October if I understand this thread correctly.
Please chime in if that's an incorrect educated guess/assumption.
I hate to be the source of more difficulty...but I actually think the arguments against an August release are a bit overstated. Many of the strongest arguments are centered around the Back to School promo, and the problems that releasing a new model toward the end of that promo period would cause. However, it wouldn't be insane if it happened--especially if sales of current models are suffering. (Put another way, if you believe they could have plenty of stock produced by August, they have to calculate the value of lost sales by deferring versus the costs of releasing before the end of the BTS period).
there are only a few instance where apple released products on August,
the most recent ones is iMac 2011.
so people are inclined to believe Apple will not release anything on that month and skipped to following months instead.
well, who knows Apple would change their mind and beat everyones' expectations.
I think Apple has released products in the week or weeks after their earnings call - the 23rd was more of a best case scenario following WWDC. However, the 15" benchmark came out on the 9th, and new models are generally released at least four weeks after their benchmark leaks. Even if they choose to release them ASAP, availability could be pushed back to early August. Also, it seems that assumptions of October were based on the iPhone/iOS 7 coming in September like it did last year. If, for whatever reason, these are delayed to October (like 2011), September becomes a candidate for Mavericks and a Mac event.
On the other hand, you stated that you need a dGPU, and looking at the performance figures for the Iris Pro 5200, it's very likely that Apple sacrifices it for battery life, heat, cost, etc. Personally, if I needed a dedicated GPU (I'd actually prefer the 5200), I'd just take the risk after Tuesday and hope that this is the last rMBP to have one.
not ... entirely true ...
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12...o_benchmarks_appear_launch_rumored_before_oct
If you're referring to the three month gap between the benchmark and release last year, I used the wording "at least four weeks" for a reason.
cheating as in, real speeds but hard to believe
Bahhh not this again.
Do you believe in any test any site does?
Was the same with that anandtech.com test of the Iris pro chip. That later got a test from that German site that confirmed their results.
And you did not believe the anandtech test either.
My to cents about the dGPU chances of the new rMBP.
I find it hard to believe that we are going to see anything else then Iris pro in the 15" rMBP.
And one should have figured out this even before the tests. (I didn't. But the more i thought about it the more sense it made.)
Cos all the signs where there.
The Iris Pro came to life in big because of Apple requested it from Intel.
So now when its here there is no surprise that they are going to use the chip that they did request.
And its even very likely that they did some deal that say: "You bring us this and we will buy X of that."
This update to only use a iGPU this time around, is a downgrade in some areas. That is for sure.
But Apple is thinking about the long run. If they wanted to go this path, they had to do this trade of some time.
Nvidia and AMD will most likely be ahead in the graphics department for some time.
But Intel will keep improving just like they will. Which will make the future rMBP with an iGPU from Intel a improvement from the year before.
So if they really wanted to stick to iGPU this is a good time to do it.
Cos this time around they can boast about, it giving a lot more battery life and stuff like that. And also that it is such a huge leap from the previous hd4000 series.
They can spin the benefits and focus on them in their marketing.
Those statements probably cant be made the next time around. Cos Intel ain't going to be able to make iGPU's that is 2.5x times better then the previous generation all the time.
They also see all the other benefits then just that.
Like:
They save space on the motherboard.
It don't require as much cooling.
And because of that extra space they can slim down or add other stuff to the laptops.
The iGPU dont require as much energy. (in some situations)
They can cut out another 3 party vendor.
And most likely they got a good deal on the CPU's.
Making it a better choice from a financial standpoint.
This is just my thoughts about it all.
I find it hard to believe that we are going to see anything else then Iris pro in the 15" rMBP.
And one should have figured out this even before the tests. (I didn't. But the more i thought about it the more sense it made.)
Cos all the signs where there.
The Iris Pro came to life in big because of Apple requested it from Intel.
So now when its here there is no surprise that they are going to use the chip that they did request.
And its even very likely that they did some deal that say: "You bring us this and we will buy X of that."
This update to only use a iGPU this time around, is a downgrade in some areas. That is for sure.
But Apple is thinking about the long run. If they wanted to go this path, they had to do this trade of some time.
Nvidia and AMD will most likely be ahead in the graphics department for some time.
But Intel will keep improving just like they will. Which will make the future rMBP with an iGPU from Intel a improvement from the year before.
So if they really wanted to stick to iGPU this is a good time to do it.
Cos this time around they can boast about, it giving a lot more battery life and stuff like that. And also that it is such a huge leap from the previous hd4000 series.
They can spin the benefits and focus on them in their marketing.
Those statements probably cant be made the next time around. Cos Intel ain't going to be able to make iGPU's that is 2.5x times better then the previous generation all the time.
They also see all the other benefits then just that.
Like:
They save space on the motherboard.
It don't require as much cooling.
And because of that extra space they can slim down or add other stuff to the laptops.
The iGPU dont require as much energy. (in some situations)
They can cut out another 3 party vendor.
And most likely they got a good deal on the CPU's.
Making it a better choice from a financial standpoint.
This is just my thoughts about it all.
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Well yes. In some areas, it will most likely be a downgrade. Like in Gaming situations for one.
But a upgrade in some other areas.
At least if we are talking about the 15" model. The 13" will be a upgrade across the board.
We don't know yet what other improvements the new rMBP will come with.
So before we know that it is really hard to say what improvements we will see.
We could see huge improvements to the design, screen or yada yada yada.
Or we could see no changes what so ever except CPU, WiFi, RAM.
No one really knows.
Depends which way you look at it...
It will have better battery life, get less hot under strain and have a better cpu...
If iris is as good as or close too 650m they should go with it I think.
This is looking more like a possibility. Mavericks is much closer to being finished than iOS 7 is. If no upgrade of the rMPB's occurs this month than I could see a September Mavericks release with new Macs.
One question is whether there would be an event or not. Would new iPads be the subject of the event in September with a mention of Macs? Or would iPads and iPhones all launch at the same October event. I don't see a Mac only event in 2013.
I would think Apple would want separate events for the iPad and iPhone because more people buy both. Two points of hype are better than one.
If there's an event at a convenient time, I don't see why not. This year's Macbook Airs had a short mention at WWDC.
Bahhh not this again.
Do you believe in any test any site does?
Was the same with that anandtech.com test of the Iris pro chip. That later got a test from that German site that confirmed their results.
And you did not believe the anandtech test either.
did you see the charts? did you notice the difference between the #1 and #2 router in wireless N speed?
one has to be skeptical, to blindly take a single or two test results as a complete truth is exactly what a dumb person would do.
statistics, the more data we can gather the more conclusive and truthful the result is.
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