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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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applepie555 said:
If you can wait...should you? I can wait until mid September but no later..I've decided to put off buying..to wait for WWDC and the Conference call, and it was pointless. There are good deals now so I could get one with more storage space and ram at a lower price than when the haswell one, plus I can get it tax free online....The dGPU is tempting me to buy the current one..but I'm curious what the special intel thing is all about....
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I am personally planning on waiting.

The chances of a September release are slim, the iPhone event will be September and I am guessing Mac Pro along with rMBP and Mac mini in October. They even mentioned October in the call, not sure why everyone is jumping for September
 
Why does everyone think the new iPhone will be September? So far only the iPhone 5 was released in September. And it looks like iOS7 has some way to go and the recent outages certainly can't have helped things.
 
Loge said:
Why does everyone think the new iPhone will be September? So far only the iPhone 5 was released in September. And it looks like iOS7 has some way to go and the recent outages certainly can't have helped things.
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You're right about the iPhone 5 being the only iPhone released in September, however Apple is working on iOS 7 with or without the dev center. Moreover it won't be the first time an iOS beta is released 3 weeks after the previous one if b5 is released next week.
 
Hello world. I have been following this thread for a few weeks now and finally just registered. There are a few things I wanted to say/ask --

When has Apple EVER refreshed a laptop lineup twice in the same year? That seems abnormal to me, but I could be wrong.

I believe when Apple referred to discussing details in October they meant for analysts to interpret that as when the next earnings call is, since they can then go over what has been announced in the months between now and then. The statement was in the context of why they cannot discuss the details on this particular conference call (but can on the next). If Apple plans on a release prior to the conference call, I think it is plausible for a September announcement and maybe October shipping dates for the rMBP updates.

That being said, if we're expecting a September event for iPhones and such, I think it would be very Apple-like to cover all of these releases in a single event rather than doing an entire other presentation and getting the entire media together again only weeks later. This scares me because I have a distant memory of Apple once saying "shipping for the holidays!" is a past release, but maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

I'm dying for a 13" rMBP 512gb with some more power/juice, but am going to be patient and wait for what everybody expects will happen soon. I just am concerned our expectations may be high despite the "busy fall" talk we hear since we therefore must be expecting "early 2013" laptops and "late 2013" laptops. I (and plenty others) don't want to wait all the way to September just to get told "holidays" or "by Spring!", you know?

There will definitely be a lot of announcements this fall, but I find it hard to see a 2013 refresh followed by a 2013 refresh, you know?

EDIT: I also wanted to add that I of course recognize the numerous price drops on current inventory and how it would be seemingly absurd to have Airs outperform some aspects of the Pros for an extended period of time. I don't discount Sept/Oct release possibilities for reasons like this, but the pattern just seems very atypical of Apple.
 
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MisterITGuy said:
Hello world. I have been following this thread for a few weeks now and finally just registered. There are a few things I wanted to say/ask --

When has Apple EVER refreshed a laptop lineup twice in the same year? That seems abnormal to me, but I could be wrong.

I believe when Apple referred to discussing details in October they meant for analysts to interpret that as when the next earnings call is, since they can then go over what has been announced in the months between now and then. The statement was in the context of why they cannot discuss the details on this particular conference call (but can on the next). If Apple plans on a release prior to the conference call, I think it is plausible for a September announcement and maybe October shipping dates for the rMBP updates.

That being said, if we're expecting a September event for iPhones and such, I think it would be very Apple-like to cover all of these releases in a single event rather than doing an entire other presentation and getting the entire media together again only weeks later. This scares me because I have a distant memory of Apple once saying "shipping for the holidays!" is a past release, but maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

I'm dying for a 13" rMBP 512gb with some more power/juice, but am going to be patient and wait for what everybody expects will happen soon. I just am concerned our expectations may be high despite the "busy fall" talk we hear since we therefore must be expecting "early 2013" laptops and "late 2013" laptops. I (and plenty others) don't want to wait all the way to September just to get told "holidays" or "by Spring!", you know?

There will definitely be a lot of announcements this fall, but I find it hard to see a 2013 refresh followed by a 2013 refresh, you know?
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No. I don't know.
 
It's just annoying that while every other PC laptop company offers 4th-generation i7 processors and GeForce 7xx GPUs, if I want Apple's 15" right now then I have to settle with technology that was released more than a year ago. I don't want to pick up a refurb then find out in two years that some hot new game performs a whole lot better on a 750m than on a 650m.

So I'd go with a PC laptop ... but so many of them are weird in various ways (why isn't the trackpad centered? why cram a keypad into a 15" laptop? why are companies still wasting space on a DVD drive?) and the price of a PC laptop with discrete graphics approaches the price of that refurbished MacBook Pro... and if I'd pay that much, then why not just hold out for a new MBP when it's released?

Except we don't know whether that'll be September or October, and we don't know whether it'll be decent for gaming or not (integrated graphics just doesn't have the memory access speed for 3D games). And maybe it'll be the same as today's MBP other than a few chips, but maybe it'll have some other must-have cool new feature that I don't even know I need yet. Or maybe it'll continue to drop stuff I use, like the Ethernet port.

Darn you, Apple, you frustrate me.
 
MisterITGuy said:
When has Apple EVER refreshed a laptop lineup twice in the same year? That seems abnormal to me, but I could be wrong.

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There will definitely be a lot of announcements this fall, but I find it hard to see a 2013 refresh followed by a 2013 refresh, you know?
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2011 had a major upgrade in February (Sandy Bridge) and a decent spec bump in October (CPU & GPU upgrades for most models).

2006 saw two refreshes.
2007 saw two refreshes (one very minor)
2008 saw two refreshes + new design introduction
2009 saw two refreshes

Both rMBPs had refreshes within 8 months of their release.

Overall I would say that within a one year period, Apple tends to have two MBP refreshes, with one usually being minor. Since the February 2013 spec bump was minor, we can expect a major upgrade in the near future.


Btw, I still feel that there is hope for an upgrade earlier than September. The Mac mini shortage might be a good sign.
 
MisterITGuy said:
Hello world. I have been following this thread for a few weeks now and finally just registered. There are a few things I wanted to say/ask --

When has Apple EVER refreshed a laptop lineup twice in the same year? That seems abnormal to me, but I could be wrong.
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The average refresh on the Macbook Pros has been about 8 months in recent history. The MacRumors buyers guide says the average refresh period on the Macbook Pro is 8.9 months, which goes all the way back to 2006:

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#MacBook_Pro

The 13" retina got updated only four months after it was released so that kind of skews the entry for the retina MBP on that page.

The ~8 month cycle fits very well with recent history:

- Feb 2011
- Oct 2011
- June 2012
- Feb 2013
- ???

That cadence isn't purely Apple's schedule though, it's driven at least partly by Intel's CPU release cycle.
 
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gt94 said:
Is the only difference between the 2012 and 2013 rMBP the 0.1 GHz clockspeed? Nothing changed on the inside or anything?
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john123 said:
I just spent a few minutes searching for the service guide I'd seen that referred to the differences--relevant in repairs. I saw it a week ago but didn't find it in Googling. Maybe someone else will recall.
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Well, my June 2012 rMBP arrived today, and I tried to disable the IR sensor like I did for my brothers February rMBP and I discovered another difference between the two models.

The June model has no IR sensor.
 
eliehass said:
Well, my June 2012 rMBP arrived today, and I tried to disable the IR sensor like I did for my brothers February rMBP and I discovered another difference between the two models.

The June model has no IR sensor.
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I thought neither model had an IR sensor.
 
What if that leaked Geekbench benchmarks were corelated to Mac Minis?

Just thinking...
 
MisterITGuy said:
Hello world. I have been following this thread for a few weeks now and finally just registered. There are a few things I wanted to say/ask --

When has Apple EVER refreshed a laptop lineup twice in the same year? That seems abnormal to me, but I could be wrong.

I believe when Apple referred to discussing details in October they meant for analysts to interpret that as when the next earnings call is, since they can then go over what has been announced in the months between now and then. The statement was in the context of why they cannot discuss the details on this particular conference call (but can on the next). If Apple plans on a release prior to the conference call, I think it is plausible for a September announcement and maybe October shipping dates for the rMBP updates.

That being said, if we're expecting a September event for iPhones and such, I think it would be very Apple-like to cover all of these releases in a single event rather than doing an entire other presentation and getting the entire media together again only weeks later. This scares me because I have a distant memory of Apple once saying "shipping for the holidays!" is a past release, but maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

I'm dying for a 13" rMBP 512gb with some more power/juice, but am going to be patient and wait for what everybody expects will happen soon. I just am concerned our expectations may be high despite the "busy fall" talk we hear since we therefore must be expecting "early 2013" laptops and "late 2013" laptops. I (and plenty others) don't want to wait all the way to September just to get told "holidays" or "by Spring!", you know?

There will definitely be a lot of announcements this fall, but I find it hard to see a 2013 refresh followed by a 2013 refresh, you know?

EDIT: I also wanted to add that I of course recognize the numerous price drops on current inventory and how it would be seemingly absurd to have Airs outperform some aspects of the Pros for an extended period of time. I don't discount Sept/Oct release possibilities for reasons like this, but the pattern just seems very atypical of Apple.
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You are way overthinking the early 2013 refresh. It was a 0.1 CPU bump and is not a refresh in the way the new Haswell rMBP will be.
 
tmiw said:
Even then, Apple could have easily told Intel that their OSX driver wasn't acceptable and insisted on fixes. We don't know if they did or not or whether they shipped anyway due to time constraints. We'll have to see what Haswell/Mavericks brings to see if that's gotten any better.
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You're suggesting that Intel somehow works miracles with Haswell that they haven't ever done before to any of their processor lines that Apple purchased in droves.

I think that's unrealistic.

I think it's realistic to expect that Iris Pro isn't going to be as fast as GT 650M, because... it just isn't. No amount of wizardry can fix that. Iris Pro just doesn't have the pure specs to achieve such a thing.
 
bill-p said:
You're suggesting that Intel somehow works miracles with Haswell that they haven't ever done before to any of their processor lines that Apple purchased in droves.

I think that's unrealistic.

I think it's realistic to expect that Iris Pro isn't going to be as fast as GT 650M, because... it just isn't. No amount of wizardry can fix that. Iris Pro just doesn't have the pure specs to achieve such a thing.
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No, but at least the OSX drivers could achieve better parity with the Linux and Windows ones.
 
bill-p said:
If Intel couldn't make their Linux drivers perform equal to Windows ones, what makes you think they can do the same for the OSX drivers?

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_win7_may2013&num=1
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From that link:

Back in 2011 though there was a time for Sandy Bridge hardware that the Linux driver could out perform the Windows driver, but then Intel came out with a feisty new Windows driver.
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So it is possible for Intel to improve things. ;)
 
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