Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[Koulie]

This thread is slowly becoming : "I'm tired of waiting for Hawell MBP so I bought a new one mega thread"

Hahaha made my day

I remember the hundreds of outraged member's comments made shortly after WWDC, most insulting the decision to prolong the release, and some claiming that the current rMBP won't sell well, as it would be outdated in the new emerging Haswell notebook market... It now seems like a lot of those people are buying the current rMBP.

Goes to show you that the rMBP was in no need of an update at WWDC - it is still the top dog a year on.

Personally, I am still holding out, I refuse to be a stock clearer in Apple's scheme hopefully the new GPU doesn't disappoint

 

[redsoxaa]

If the new report about October is true, then it's sad that over a year after launch they still can't get a reliable supply of retina screens. It's also going to be sad if it takes them into October to simply drop in a new chip and SSD like they did in the Air.

 

[APPLE-FANATIC]

If the new report about October is true, then it's sad that over a year after launch they still can't get a reliable supply of retina screens. It's also going to be sad if it takes them into October to simply drop in a new chip and SSD like they did in the Air.

I agree with you on that!!

 

[sarakn]

So I've been lurking on this thread for a few months now, and I've got a question.
I'm going off to college on August 15th, and I need to get a new computer; I originally wanted to wait for a new release, but seeing as how that may not happen until October, I think that I want to get the 15 inch rMBP higher end preconfigured model this weekend, so that A) I get the $100 in apps and B) I can load all of my stuff onto my computer before school (I'm going to a pretty difficult college and I don't want to be bothered with having to set up a computer halfway through the semester).

I'm currently using a 2008 unibody, and it's holding up ok, but it's definitely not capable of handling college, so I suppose that that's pushing me towards a new computer as well.

I'm slightly nervous about getting a new computer so close to the update, as I felt regret when I got my current computer and a few months later the 7 hour battery Macbook pros came out. However, I really want the dGPU for some games and from what I've read, Iris Pro can't perform as well as the 650M in real world applications. I also figure that 7 hours, plus whatever Mavericks may shovel on, is good enough for me in terms of battery life. I don't really care about an IGZO display, and I don't think that I'd fully utilize the increased SSD performance or TB 2. Am I missing anything? Thanks!

Why is a 2008 model not capable of handling college? You're doing homework, not running mission-critical programs. I know you want the latest and greatest, but let's get real - this is the same laptop that professional use and still use.

I'm hoping to replace my Dell laptop soon that's being held together by butterfly clips (aesthetic issue only), but with a battery that fails one in a while. Yes, it works when it's plugged in although it can be buggy when I have 20+ tabs open, but I know it works. This is a laptop I use for software development, too.

The fact is if you choose to wait, don't worry too much about switching laptops. You can easily migrate from one machine to another - will take you less than an hour. If you want to buy now, go for it. The current model is a very decent machine.

 

[nb8475]

He is throwing in a sleeve case too. Again it's a 2013 2.7/16/512 for 1800. Very tempted.

 

[polymersayb]

He is throwing in a sleeve case too. Again it's a 2013 2.7/16/512 for 1800. Very tempted.

Then just go for it. I don't want to sound rude, but no one really cares what any individual person decides. We just care about the aggregate opinion.

I will go ahead and say though that a sleeve case shouldn't make a difference in whether you purchase it or not. And obviously you'll want to check the laptop over before you buy.

 

[nb8475]

Then just go for it. I don't want to sound rude, but no one really cares what any individual person decides. We just care about the aggregate opinion.

I will go ahead and say though that a sleeve case shouldn't make a difference in whether you purchase it or not. And obviously you'll want to check the laptop over before you buy.

Dont mean to sound rude but.. That part about the aggregate doesn't make sense .

The laptop's in perfect condition, I know the sleeve shouldn't decide whether i buy it or not lol but it was worth mentioning. Not sure what to do it's a pretty good deal and i could probably sell it for close to 1800 when the new one comes out if i want

 

[thundersteele]

System 76's Iris Pro laptop is finally available:
https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1

So Iris Pro is out in the open. Maybe we get to see some more benchmarks

Though it seems we will have to wait until october. Historically this seems to be a popular month for MBP releases, with 2012, 2011 seeing upgrades in that timeframe, and also 2006 & 2008. On the other hand I still think it would be weird if they lag behind by three months with the Haswell upgrade.

 

[thepoynt]

He is throwing in a sleeve case too. Again it's a 2013 2.7/16/512 for 1800. Very tempted.

If that's the machine you want, it's a great price - I'd go for it (as long as you check and make sure it works and has the specs he says it does)

The closest config on the refurb store is a 2.6/16/512 and it's ~$2200. So yeah, you'd be getting a good deal.

Plus, unless Apple does something drastic, I don't think the 15" will see much of an noticeable improvement. The 13" will be the one with a big boost.

 

[gentleman00]

To wait or not to wait for Haswell?

There have been countless threads, including this one, about the merits of waiting for Haswell to buy a MacBook Pro w/retina. I am in the same boat as many of you are, but I thought I would briefly summarize what I think would be the reasons for buying a Macbook pro now than later.


1. If your primary use for an MBP is to write and complete assignments for school or college, and periodically surf the web like I do, then the existing model should be adequate. I am not a gamer, nor do I use Photoshop or other applications for work to be concerned about speed.

2. On the other hand, if you are a gamer, spend hours in libraries or coffee shop, or use applications like Photoshop or others that would benefit from the speed bump, then by all accounts wait until October.


The BestBuy deal is tempting though. You can get a MBP for $1175.00 ( $200 off, $100 student discount, and $25 off if you have American Express).


I think a lot people are under the assumption that they have to have the best and the latest technology. Imagine what it would be like if we had the same obsession with automobiles.

 

[nb8475]

Yeah Im pretty excited . just checked serial # online and it looks good. the computer is <1 month old or so. Talked him down to 1750 as well.

 

[Mattsasa]

So is there no chance that Intel could get some early haswell chips to Apple,

So that there could be an August launch of the rMBP along side the mini?

 

[nb8475]

There have been countless threads, including this one, about the merits of waiting for Haswell to buy a MacBook Pro w/retina. I am in the same boat as many of you are, but I thought I would briefly summarize what I think would be the reasons for buying a Macbook pro now than later.


1. If your primary use for an MBP is to write and complete assignments for school or college, and periodically surf the web like I do, then the existing model should be adequate. I am not a gamer, nor do I use Photoshop or other applications for work to be concerned about speed.

2. On the other hand, if you are a gamer, spend hours in libraries or coffee shop, or use applications like Photoshop or others that would benefit from the speed bump, then by all accounts wait until October.


The BestBuy deal is tempting though. You can get a MBP for $1175.00 ( $200 off, $100 student discount, and $25 off if you have American Express).


I think a lot people are under the assumption that they have to have the best and the latest technology. Imagine what it would be like if we had the same obsession with automobiles.

i agree with you mostly except the bold part. theupdate will really affect the 13" more than the 15" because the 15" already has dedicated gfx while the 13" has bad integrated ones so it will get the biggest boost... the 15" will not get that big of a performance boost but will get a small battery boost, perhaps 9-10 hrs, maybe less, because the retina screen takes up alot of juice regardless of processor.

 

[gentleman00]

i agree with you mostly except the bold part. theupdate will really affect the 13" more than the 15" because the 15" already has dedicated gfx while the 13" has bad integrated ones so it will get the biggest boost... the 15" will not get that big of a performance boost but will get a small battery boost, perhaps 9-10 hrs, maybe less, because the retina screen takes up alot of juice regardless of processor.

Good Point! Still, I think the $1175.00 Best Buy deal is a steal, especially for those who would not benefit from the speed bump, but decide to wait for the new MBP in october when the retail price may be $1695 for the basic model.

 

[MisterITGuy]

2011 had a major upgrade in February (Sandy Bridge) and a decent spec bump in October (CPU & GPU upgrades for most models).

2006 saw two refreshes.
2007 saw two refreshes (one very minor)
2008 saw two refreshes + new design introduction
2009 saw two refreshes

Both rMBPs had refreshes within 8 months of their release.

Overall I would say that within a one year period, Apple tends to have two MBP refreshes, with one usually being minor. Since the February 2013 spec bump was minor, we can expect a major upgrade in the near future.


Btw, I still feel that there is hope for an upgrade earlier than September. The Mac mini shortage might be a good sign.

Interesting.. I didn't even know that. That's a relief then! Late 2013 seems plenty probable.

The average refresh on the Macbook Pros has been about 8 months in recent history. The MacRumors buyers guide says the average refresh period on the Macbook Pro is 8.9 months, which goes all the way back to 2006:

https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//#MacBook_Pro

The 13" retina got updated only four months after it was released so that kind of skews the entry for the retina MBP on that page.

The ~8 month cycle fits very well with recent history:

- Feb 2011
- Oct 2011
- June 2012
- Feb 2013
- ???

That cadence isn't purely Apple's schedule though, it's driven at least partly by Intel's CPU release cycle.

Good point on Intel's cycle. Maybe they've been waiting the whole time and thought a 100mhz bump would just bring attention to the product line again.

You are way overthinking the early 2013 refresh. It was a 0.1 CPU bump and is not a refresh in the way the new Haswell rMBP will be.

Yeah I forgot the details but still, a price drop and spec jump is usually a "refresh" in Apple's eyes.

 

[tehBrad]

i think what i'm going to do is buy from bestbuy

and then ill have the silver rewards program so i can return within 60 days if the rmbp gets updated in that time period otherwise ill just keep it and be happy!

can anyone think of any flaws in this?

 

[fskywalker]

i think what i'm going to do is buy from bestbuy

and then ill have the silver rewards program so i can return within 60 days if the rmbp gets updated in that time period otherwise ill just keep it and be happy!

can anyone think of any flaws in this?

Is the silver reward a memberhip? How does it work?

 

[brandonx76]

Can anyone take a stab at the "Haswell supports 4K" statements? Why does 4K have a relationship with Haswell - certain video processing capabilities built into the chips themselves?

Given the wait...it would be a little frustrating to see when they're released, a Haswell MacBook Pro Retina this gen, but no 4k capability

 

[tehBrad]

Is the silver reward a memberhip? How does it work?

you have to spend $2500 at bestbuy in one calendar year

so if you want the higher end rmbp you are automatically enrolled

 

[stolpioni]

Just bought a new 13'' with 2.5ghz, 8gb RAM and 256gb SSD for 2,382.35 dollars.

Prices are high in Sweden, there are no refurbished ones to get and I can't wait anymore for a new laptop.

 

[PDFierro]

Can anyone take a stab at the "Haswell supports 4K" statements? Why does 4K have a relationship with Haswell - certain video processing capabilities built into the chips themselves?

Given the wait...it would be a little frustrating to see when they're released, a Haswell MacBook Pro Retina this gen, but no 4k capability

It has more to do with Thunderbolt 2.

 

[macshoair]

i think what i'm going to do is buy from bestbuy

and then ill have the silver rewards program so i can return within 60 days if the rmbp gets updated in that time period otherwise ill just keep it and be happy!

can anyone think of any flaws in this?

Is the silver reward a memberhip? How does it work?

I see one flaw...it is unethical...Returns are not made to be abused. they are made in case you are having a 'real' problem in the product or that you really did not like something in it, but it was not your intention from the beginning to use this process as a rent machine that you use for two months until the new one comes, then you return it to them and say thank you very much for your excellent return policy!

Just my opinion.......

 

[brandonx76]

It has more to do with Thunderbolt 2.

So what's the 'over/under" we see Thunderbolt 2 in Oct? Think we'll see a new Thunderbolt Display too?

 

[PDFierro]

So what's the 'over/under" we see Thunderbolt 2 in Oct? Think we'll see a new Thunderbolt Display too?

Seems 50/50. It will be in the Mac Pro. Who knows if Apple will be able to include it in this update of the rMBP. I'd love that though, and a Retina Thunderbolt display.

This is the one thing we really have no idea on.

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Interesting.. I didn't even know that. That's a relief then! Late 2013 seems plenty probable.



Good point on Intel's cycle. Maybe they've been waiting the whole time and thought a 100mhz bump would just bring attention to the product line again.



Yeah I forgot the details but still, a price drop and spec jump is usually a "refresh" in Apple's eyes.

Yes, but there will be a big refresh in September/October. There's no doubting that. I was just pointing out that your claims about Apple unlikely to do a refresh this year are way off base.

 

[Covert-Panda]

I think I am just getting this. $2189 for a 15 inch retina with 16gigs of ram 512gigs of flash and 2.6 GHz quad core. http://store.apple.com/ca/product/G...-26ghz-quad-core-intel-i7-with-retina-display
This is a great deal for anyone in canada!