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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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Thunderbolt 2 Won't be in the 2013 MBP

bbapps said:
Intel will announce the availability of TB2 at IDF 2013 (September 10-12). Apple will release the MBPr w/TB2 the following week.
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The first Intel chipsets with Thunderbolt 2 support will be released in the summer of 2014. The only way to get Thunderbolt 2 support before that will be with discrete Thunderbolt 2 chips, which is how the first generation Mac Pro will do it. There is no way Apple would use discrete Thunderbolt 2 chips in any product other than the Mac Pro, due to cost, when they get ordinary Thunderbolt support for free from the Intel chipset. There is simply not yet enough demand for Thunderbolt to justify it.
 
mcarling said:
The first Intel chipsets with Thunderbolt 2 support will be released in the summer of 2014. The only way to get Thunderbolt 2 support before that will be with discrete Thunderbolt 2 chips, which is how the first generation Mac Pro will do it. There is no way Apple would use discrete Thunderbolt 2 chips in any product other than the Mac Pro, due to cost, when they get ordinary Thunderbolt support for free from the Intel chipset. There is simply not yet enough demand for Thunderbolt to justify it.
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The MBPs have discrete Thunderbolt chips on the logic board. So why not for TB 2?
 
Mattsasa said:
I will be updating what I think again tonight.

But please do tell me in what ways my specs are crazy. I want to know. And or give me what you think the specs will be
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jxie0755 said:
I think you should just relax and wait untill the new RMBP come out. Guessing around is just a waste of time, and meaningless.
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Yes please.
I dont want to be rude but your "My early predictions" are getting kinda old.
You have made like 5 of them already. And the fact is no one really knows what we will see in the new rMBP.
So sure we can talk about what might come. (thats what the thread is for) But your "early predictions" is just a repeat of what have already been said by many. And carry no real ground at all.
 
Many who are adamant that the new rMBP will have TB2 cos of 4k display options.
But if they get it, i think their are other reasons except that.
Since the Mac Pro will be "modular" (call it what you want) trough TB2.
It is not that far of a stretch to think that if they want that market to grow, and work. That a TB2 solution on the rMBP, would help that market a lot.

Personally i think TB is a great innovation.
The thing holding it back is the strict rules and fees Intel are putting on it.
For TB to really grow they really need to loosen up the fees and rules.
Or TB will just die off.


I really do think that a external graphics card solution if one came out with some serious performance.
Could change the whole industry.
Is TB2 the right tool for that? No not really.
The speed is really not enough for it, to be a SERIOUS contender to a gaming rig.
BUT it is a great stepping stone. And its more then enough for a lot of peoples needs.
And if it can bloom and get a market on TB2 their wont be to long until we will see better standards that can handle the performance top end cards deliver today.

The only question really is if Intel will allow it. And if the market will move in that direction.

For me its a best of 2 worlds. A portable silent and low power laptop, for when your on the move. And when you get home you connect it to your external GPU, and can play what ever game you want.
 
zOlid said:
Many who are adamant that the new rMBP will have TB2 cos of 4k display options.
But if they get it, i think their are other reasons except that.
Since the Mac Pro will be "modular" (call it what you want) trough TB2.
It is not that far of a stretch to think that if they want that market to grow, and work. That a TB2 solution on the rMBP, would help that market a lot.
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I certainly hope Apple is thinking this way. It does make sense, especially if a 4K ACD is in the wings. It would be a nice distinction between their Pro lines having TB2 and their 'consumer' lines (iMac, MBA) having only TB1. Not sure where the mini falls.
 
ValSalva said:
I certainly hope Apple is thinking this way. It does make sense, especially if a 4K ACD is in the wings. It would be a nice distinction between their Pro lines having TB2 and their 'consumer' lines (iMac, MBA) having only TB1. Not sure where the mini falls.
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In all seriousness though, there aren't even many TB1 peripherals on the market today, let alone TB2.

And if the leaked benchmarks are any indication of what the future rMBP will have in terms of graphics, its going to be Iris Pro - which is no where enough power to run a 4K display (which was one of the arguments for TB2 in the next rMBP).

The only way is if Apple bundles their next Thunderbolt display (4K resolution) with a GPU built-in.

That is why the next rMBP will only have TB1. Which is a shame really, they should be on sale as we speak. But something other than TB2 is holding them back.
 
zOlid said:
Many who are adamant that the new rMBP will have TB2 cos of 4k display options.
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None of us know when Apple will release a 4K display. It obviously won't be before the release of the new Mac Pro. It might be released at the same time as the new Mac Pro or it might be released later, possibly much later. The idea that Apple will jack up the cost of this year's MBP to accommodate a display that might be released in 2014 or 2015 seems to be without merit. But we'll see.
 
Blue Sun said:
In all seriousness though, there aren't even many TB1 peripherals on the market today, let alone TB2.

And if the leaked benchmarks are any indication of what the future rMBP will have in terms of graphics, its going to be Iris Pro - which is no where enough power to run a 4K display (which was one of the arguments for TB2 in the next rMBP).

The only way is if Apple bundles their next Thunderbolt display (4K resolution) with a GPU built-in.

That is why the next rMBP will only have TB1. Which is a shame really, they should be on sale as we speak. But something other than TB2 is holding them back.
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Soberly depressing assessment ;)

The most important TB2 accessory would be a 4K display. I guess we are possibly a year too early. Or too late if you look at it from the TB accessory market health side of things.

I think Intel is the source of the delay. There was a rumor that Apple is using special high-end Haswell processors that are just top-binned parts. It must take a while to amass a significant quantity of them.
 
Simple question: the new macbook pro scheduled for September-October will have the new igzo panel display?

This will definitely induce me to buy it even without dgpu
 
I work in education & every school administrator that has a 15-inch MacBook Pro has it for the size of the screen. They don't even use the graphics card. I would be totally ok if Apple made a 15-inch model that had integrated graphics if it meant lowering the entry price point for the 15-inch. But Apple definitely needs to offer a 15-inch with a dedicated GPU too.

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I wonder if Apple will use IGZO in the MacBook Pro. The last I read the panels were available in the 16:9 screen ratio but not in 16:10 ratio that the MacBook Pros have been using.
 
DHagan4755 said:
I work in education & every school administrator that has a 15-inch MacBook Pro has it for the size of the screen. They don't even use the graphics card. I would be totally ok if Apple made a 15-inch model that had integrated graphics if it meant lowering the entry price point for the 15-inch. But Apple definitely needs to offer a 15-inch with a dedicated GPU too.

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I wonder if Apple will use IGZO in the MacBook Pro. The last I read the panels were available in the 16:9 screen ratio but not in 16:10 ratio that the MacBook Pros have been using.
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panels can be custom made, but it really depends on the order.
to set up a production line you would need to order millions of units i think.
 
GSPice said:
There's nothing new about this. It's kinda common knowledge that the Haswell MBP wouldn't be released til after the BTS event. Exactly when is unknown.
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most of the stuff i have been reading is saying october due to yield problems with the screens
 
Why is this taking so long? It's frankly ridiculous. And Apple have set it up so it will be completely out of sync with Intel's CPU updates this year and in the future.
 
jafingi said:
Dell has just announced their QHD+ resolution (3200x something I believe) laptop with IGZO. So if Sharp can produce them in large quantities, Apple could use them now. But I don't think so.
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Apple and Dell have very different quality control standards.
 
xxskorpion88xx said:
Simple question: the new macbook pro scheduled for September-October will have the new igzo panel display?

This will definitely induce me to buy it even without dgpu
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No

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jz- said:
The rumour last month suggested IGZO would come next year, so possibly at WWDC with redesigned Airs.

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/07/10/apple-to-adopt-igzo-displays-for-future-ipads-and-macbooks/
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We probably won't see IGZO until at least next year. If I remember correctly it said they were going to start trying to adopt it. If they are planning on doing something, then it'll take at least a year or two until it actually shows up in their products. I think 2015 would be a good bet, but maybe 2014 if everything goes smoothly and the technology actually turns out to have little to no problems with implementing.
 
tdream said:
Why is this taking so long? It's frankly ridiculous. And Apple have set it up so it will be completely out of sync with Intel's CPU updates this year and in the future.
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I'm sure Apple doesn't think it's ridiculous.
 
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