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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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They could and should have honored the cMBP by putting the retina display on it... But they tragically decided to kill it... Few would have bought the rMBP if the cMBP had the retina display... The same would have happened if MBA had the retina display... Simply put, they don't want a single product to cannibalize sales...
Apple's products are pieces of a puzzle. You need to buy all the pieces to complete the puzzle...
Even though Mavericks probably won't be released with the iPhone, doesn't Apple usually announce an up-to-date program a bit over a month before new OSes? And it they're announcing that, I suppose there's an outside chance that they also unveil iMacs/rMBPs?
Why do you think so? Is this based on your expectations about costs or about elasticity of demand?
thats not what I meant, the staggered launch always happened when the line grew, but this year its the worst by far.
for mobile which is what matter, 47w and 15w launched, the 15w with the 5000 was released with those as well.
that leaves us 28w, 47w iris pro (recently launched), the Y series and some other cpus
basically most of the line up hasn't seen the light of the day till last week, now its just around 50%
and there is no hocus pocus super special custom cpu that intel made for apple.
I agree with the above. Taking it a bit farther ...
Until the 28W parts destined for the 13" MBP are available in the quantities needed by Apple, they cannot announce the new MBP. It's that simple. The timing of the MBP release has nothing to do with Mavericks, Thunderbolt 2, or anything else but the suitable Haswell chips.
The most "custom" a CPU that Intel might make for Apple would be increasing cache size, adding execution units to the GPU, changing one or more clock speeds, or some combination of the above. The idea that a "custom" CPU for Apple would have new circuitry is absurd. Definitely nothing "hocus pocus". It would only be a new layout, combining existing circuitry in a different way. If at all.
I find that very doubtful. If the cMBP with the optical brick had been updated with a Retina display along with the rMBP, then I expect the cMBP sales would have been close to zero because the cMBP would have been even more expensive than the rMBP. Hardly anyone wants an optical brick anymore -- especially not an optical brick integrated into a laptop.
We all know apple increased on purpose cMBP price over rMBP. It was a sales strategy to push retina sales... I doubt the manufacturing cost of cMBP is higher than the rMBP one...
the only possible change is to alter the L4 cache size, and that is another matter of how many they will buy and how much that would cost to produce for a single OEM. in the end not possible as well
I used to work at Intel writing circuit simulation tools for the CPU designers, so I have some idea of what is possible here. Changing the L4 cache size would be trivially easy. The other changes I listed above such as changing the L3 cache size and changing the number of execution units in the GPU are also well within the realm of the possible.
GPU integration is a strategic priority for Intel so, if Apple were to say something like "We would like to drop the discrete GPU from the 15" MBP, but we need an 8MB L3 cache and Iris Pro HD graphics with 32 execution units," Intel would be very interested. Of course, Apple would have to guarantee purchase of a minimum number.
I may have...insider information
16gb by default and optional 32gb ram will be nice
Don't hold your breath, 16gb is more than satisfactory right now
Not everyone wants to pay for that much RAM.16gb by default and optional 32gb ram will be nice
I would be quite impressed if you had insider information about decisions which haven't been made yet.
Wow, chill out big guy. Nowhere did I say the quote confirmed an October release. Have you even been following this thread? Goodness.
perfect, and how much do you think any of those changes would actually lead to a finished product developed only for apple?
intel is already interested, otherwise they wouldn't have built the iris pro and crystalwell
aside that crystalwell is at its current size to use some of the equipment that intel wasn't using anymore, so all in all we have a lot of cost sensitive decisions that won't make into an apple product.
we also have to count the fact that in the end adding anything would need more validation as well, aside the cost increase for the low demand, low production rate, different line and so forth
after all the iris pro cpus aren't cheap in any sense of the word.
I just bought a rMBP 15". I would have preferred waiting but I need it now.
Well, I hope it was the right decision. I'm german and will go to university in the middle of the month. I will need it for studying (information technology and electronics) and for some gaming...
Edit: I'm also a developer and do some 3D design in my free time
Well, I hope it was the right decision. I'm german and will go to university in the middle of the month. I will need it for studying (information technology and electronics) and for some gaming...
Edit: I'm also a developer and do some 3D design in my free time
It's variation of the same 22nm process that is in use for the cpu.
There is the possibility that there's additional hardware already, deactivated for better yield. Intel didn't provide die-shots of Iris-equipped cpu's, and at first look, the die size is a little bit bigger than it should be.
Also, "low demand" will be a problem, but on the PC side- if Iris- only macbook pro is real product, that we will hopefully see sooner rather than later, Apple will easily sell a couple of million of them through the next 12 months. Other OEM's- considering the price, they will push more for HD 4600 cpu's and dGPU. Marketing. Apple can advertise better compute performance of Iris in FCPX, for example, and they can further optimize software side of things, PC OEM's can do nothing.
They could and should have honored the cMBP by putting the retina display on it... But they tragically decided to kill it... Few would have bought the rMBP if the cMBP had the retina display... The same would have happened if MBA had the retina display... Simply put, they don't want a single product to cannibalize sales...
Apple's products are pieces of a puzzle. You need to buy all the pieces to complete the puzzle...
But they can price the retina MBA above the rMBP. It's a premium product with an unique appeal. They will still need a ~$1000 non-Retina Air for the mass.
Now, let's hope the Haswell 13-incher will be lighter and slimer.
Sounds like you are the one who needs to chill. All I commented on was that from your post, you were implying that there would be no MBP's in September and you acted like it was a sure thing.
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