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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Wait a second - I might be missing something here. If cost/business/marketing were thrown out the window, is it physically possible for an Intel Core i7-4950HQ to work with a dGPU? Is it only the "MQ" CPUs that can?
I'm just thinking that some folks on MR are kind of expecting something from Apple that not even Alienware offers.
Is there a laptop out there with an HQ chip and NVIDIA 7**m dGPU in a 15" form factor?
I'm just thinking that some folks on MR are kind of expecting something from Apple that not even Alienware offers.
Is there a laptop out there with an HQ chip and NVIDIA 7**m dGPU in a 15" form factor?
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Wait a second - I might be missing something here. If cost/business/marketing were thrown out the window, is it physically possible for an Intel Core i7-4950HQ to work with a dGPU? Is it only the "MQ" CPUs that can?
I'm just thinking that some folks on MR are kind of expecting something from Apple that not even Alienware offers.
Is there a laptop out there with an HQ chip and NVIDIA 7**m dGPU in a 15" form factor?
I don't see why not, but there is little point in that, unless they put something like a 765 in there, and that will make the cost go up quite significantly.
We're talking about a 2500$ laptop, not a macbook air for students... That kind of consumers should know what they are buying
That's a contradiction. If they know what they're talking about, they won't spout nonsense like "last years model actually outperforms this upcoming Haswell in a significant manner" because a Haswell CPU with integrated HD 5200 Iris Pro GPU will significantly outperform an Ivy Bridge CPU (same clock speed) + 650M discrete GPU at almost everything except gaming. If they know what they're talking about, they might write something more like "last years model outperforms this upcoming Haswell in some graphics operations." However, unless they are writing specifically for a gaming crowd, it's probably not significant enough to mention.
It isn't a contradiction. "Significant manner" is obviously a very generalized phrase. The difference in performance could be "significant" to some users, and non-existent to others. However yes, I would expect the reviewer to mention more specific differences in performance between the two models.
You're generalizing quite a bit yourself. Games aren't this magical thing that just eat up 100% GPU while every other application barely uses any. There are other programs and applications that would suffer in performance. (see quote below)
I'm sure we'll see more on where it strives, and suffers, when we see the refresh, as well as other Iris Pro laptops.
That's your opinion. I don't write reviews, but if I were to do them, I would certainly want to reference the differences between the brand new model, from the now negligent "old" model, and maybe mention that if you are buying the computer for Engineering and will be using lots of AutoCAD and other 3D modeling applications, that you may benefit from buying the refurbed (old) 2013 model.
But that's just me, I'm sure plenty of people won't mention it. And just restate the same things they do for all their reviews. "This machine is blazing fast. The retina screen makes everything a joy, get this computer." Which is all true too, I suppose.
Have you ever heard of something called Hackintosh?
Check out tonymac and YouTube, and you would understand what I'm talking about. A hackintosh pro would kick macpro butt anytime...
Bought the higher spec 15" retina a month ago now. Have not been on the forum since, no more wasting my time waiting for a laptop with no dGPU and a few extra hours of battery. My MacBook is a phenomenal machine, plays all my games and I'm using corel painter X3 and photoshop CS6 daily. Stop waiting and buy the current Pro, you'll thank me later. So long.
Lol if I couldn't wait another year that's exactly what I would do. I'll wait though
no wifi ac, no pcie ssd, no battery life, worst performance in open cl. maybe the new mbp is the next big thing
I used to write CAD software and I'm confident -- confident enough to bet a finger -- that AutoCAD will run faster on a Haswell rMBP than on an Ivy Bridge rMBP with the same clock speed and number of cores, same amount of RAM, etc.
I'm hoping that Apple will drop the discrete GPU from the 15" rMBP and introduce a 17" rMBP with a discrete GPU faster than the 650M.
I hope your not going to loose your finger. Haswell architecture is more efficient and slightly faster with the same clock speeds. Ok, but this is not going to happen in the rMBP. The best Intel model with iGPU is the 4950hq, which is limited to 2.4 ghz due to the Iris 5200 pro. It has equal performance to last years 2,7 ghz highend model. I would not be so confident, that it will be always way faster. It is even possible that it could be slightly slower in some areas.
Integrated graphics is the way to go
Just saying,
HD Graphics 4400 is 20-30 %% better than HD 4000
HD Graphics 5000 is 50% better
Iris 5100 is 125% better and
Iris Pro 5200 is 150% better and it has addition ram cache of 128MB
2013 13" rMBP is rumored to have Iris 5100
2013 15" rMBP may include discrete graphics now, but at this rate of perfomance increase of intedrated graphics, there may be no need for discrete graphics in the future.
Just an opinion though.
Just saying,
HD Graphics 4400 is 20-30 %% better than HD 4000
HD Graphics 5000 is 50% better
Iris 5100 is 125% better and
Iris Pro 5200 is 150% better and it has addition ram cache of 128MB
2013 13" rMBP is rumored to have Iris 5100
2013 15" rMBP may include discrete graphics now, but at this rate of perfomance increase of intedrated graphics, there may be no need for discrete graphics in the future.
Just an opinion though.
I think everyone agrees that Iris and Iris Pro are more powerful than last year's HD4000. However it's also as powerful as a 2012 dGPU.
Iris Pro would not be a problem if it was as powerful as a 2013 dGPU
I'm pretty sure people are complaining because it's less powerful than the current-gen's dGPU.
That's exactly what I'm saying! If it was as powerful as a 750m no one would have complained.
Just because regular comsumers should know what they're buying doesn't mean they'll actually find out what they're buying. You'd be amazed at how dumb some people can be with computer purchases because they don't care to do research or go by word of mouth from someone who doesn't know anything about computers.
I think this is what Apple is banking on for the future of the 15" MBP. However it seems strange that they'd choose this year to make the switch when the integrated GPUs aren't quite ready to compete with a dGPU. (I'm in the market for a 13" Haswell rMBP, so all this talk of dropping the dGPU doesn't bother me)
It is better for everybody to show solidarity and stand up for the others, because it'll affect everyone either directly or indirectly...
I feel for people waiting for the 15" rMBP. It must be excruciating not knowing if there will be a dGPU or not. I too am looking at this from a bit of a distance because I'm in the market for the 13". But the main thing to remember is that at this late point only two months before the introduction of the Haswell rMBP's (probably) the decisions have already been made.
The only thing that can be done is to avoid buying the 15" Haswell rMBP if indeed it doesn't have a dGPU.
Yesterday I linked to an article here about the actual Haswell processors being special high end top binned ones. These might perform nearly as well as a dGPU.
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