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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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SolidSnak3 said:
I really dont understand what is taking apple so long. Seriously i ve been waiting for ever for the new macbook pros. Is there an specific reason to as why they havent released them yet? you know since the new airs are out.
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The rumor is that Apple is using high performance Haswell processors which are essentially identical to current Haswells but are the top performing percentage, say 5%, for example. They are top-binned parts. It must take a while to amass a significant quantity of them since say, 95%, are not suitable.
 
It's a good thing it is taking Apple so long to update the rMBPs because I gave it a lot of thought and came to a conclusion: I will mostly be doing image editing on my desktop Hackintosh and when I'm on the road I will just need a fast USB3.0 port to transfer my images to my laptop to empty the memory cards, then update my joined image library with new photos ... hence I ordered the 2013 MBA i7/8GB/265GB because of the mobility factor (******* retina and the dual core on the 13" rMBP).
 
neverhadanewton said:
I don't understand why people are so against having an iris pro over a dGPU, the only area the difference in performance might be noticeable is gaming. In other aspects such as heat and battery life it will be a lot better.

The Macbook Pro isn't gaming machine...
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I know everybody keeps posting this as a given fact, but so far we can only speculate, that the next rMBP with Iris 5200pro will have lower temps and longer battery life than a possible rMBP with 4700HQ+ 750m. I posted a real world test of a Iris 5200 a few times. It does not look so good in terms of power consumption and performance. http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2013/intel-iris-pro-5200-grafik-im-test/

The only real benefits of the Iris are: no gpu switching, better OpenCL performance and more space in the chassis, 7watt less power consumption under heavy load. But the trade-off are: 23% less GPU performance (average, some cases 60-80%), no CUDA, worse Intel drivers and the device is limited to 2.4 ghz model as high end processor. That's why the performance fixated people and the gamers are whining. My opinion is, that the Iris 5200 pro is the worst of three options (nVidia, AMD, Intel). And the recent rumours about the nVidia laptop series Maxwell and AMD Crystal show, that an Iris 5200 pro rMBP could have an outdated performance in early 2014.
 
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mcarling said:
The 128MB L4 cache is expected only for the 15" models, not the 13" models. I remains to be seen how much difference this cache will make.
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Of course. The 15" uses CPUs with a 45W TDP, and Iris Pro CPU's (with the L4 cache) are only available in 45W TDP. So of course it will not come in the 13". However, the Iris in the 35W CPUs is a big improvement over HD4000 :D
 
jafingi said:
Wrong. OpenCL performance is way better than the competition, because of the L4 cache with EDRAM. Photoshop and video/photo-editing software that utilizes OpenCL (like FCPX) will see a performance jump.

I hope they'll use Iris Pro only. I'm not a gamer, but often use Photoshop. The GUI responsiveness will overall be better than with the HD4000. + better batterylife, because it doesn't switch to the dGPU all the time.

I'm looking forward to this!
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No, just because your Photoshop experience "requires" Iris Pro doesn't mean it will stay. Other need to leverage the power of OpenGL in a dGPU.
 
I will be upgrading from my 13in White Macbook with the 9400m in it. How big of a jump will the graphics be from the 9400m to Iris Pro?
 
Crzyrio said:
I will be upgrading from my 13in White Macbook with the 9400m in it. How big of a jump will the graphics be from the 9400m to Iris Pro?
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Enormous! However, much of that will be needed to drive four times as many pixels.
 
mcarling said:
Enormous! However, much of that will be needed to drive four times as many pixels.
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Sweet :D

Would you saw atleast double in game performance?

The biggest gain for me will be the i7 when converting videos/rendering. But cant say no to better gaming performance :)

ohbrilliance said:
I'm hedging my bets on October 22. It's pretty much in line with Mac keynotes for the last three years.
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That is so far away :(

I was hoping for early october
 
So it just came to my attention that the new Retina line of Macbook Pro's will enter into the realms of the same tier of specs as lower end laptops, once they take the dGPU out. Since bargain based laptops come with Intel HD Graphics, because it's the cheapest package. Granted Iris Pro isn't super cheap right now, but next year, Intel graphics are going to be plenty cheaper than Nvidia/AMD. So basically you're spending $2000+ for the screen, and design. (SSD can be upgraded on your own)
 
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I've been following this discussion since page 100 and I have to say that I don't agree with most of you who predict a new 15 inch rmbp with Iris Pro.

My bet is to leave Iris Pro for the 13 inch rmbp and include a dGPU on 15 inch model. It just makes no sense downgrading Gpu performance after more than a year wait. I'm pretty sure it will come with nvidia 750-60m.

I also predict them being announced by mid-october.
 
peponcious said:
I've been following this discussion since page 100 and I have to say that I don't agree with most of you who predict a new 15 inch rmbp with Iris Pro.

My bet is to leave Iris Pro for the 13 inch rmbp and include a dGPU on 15 inch model. It just makes no sense downgrading Gpu performance after more than a year wait. I'm pretty sure it will come with nvidia 750-60m.

I also predict them being announced by mid-october.
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Wow, page 100 :eek: Crazy, huh? It's been a long wait. I hope all your predictions come true.
 
VanillaCracker said:
So it just came to my attention that the new Retina line of Macbook Pro's will enter into the realms of the same tier of specs as lower end laptops, once they take the dGPU out. Since bargain based laptops come with Intel HD Graphics, because it's the cheapest package. Granted Iris Pro isn't super cheap right now, but next year, Intel graphics are going to be plenty cheaper than Nvidia/AMD. So basically you're spending $2000+ for the screen, and design. (SSD can be upgraded on your own)
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iris PRO is a pro product. It is not HD graphics and it is not like anything that has ever been done by Intel that I know of. yYes, maybe next year they will be in cheap computers, but by then the rMBPs will have the next gen Iris Pro chips.
also the CPU is a high end CPU (the fastest currently available on laptops if I am not mistaken)
if the fact that cheaper computers will have the technology in a year means a computer isn't pro in your mind, I don't think there are many products that fit your definition of pro.
 
peponcious said:
I've been following this discussion since page 100 and I have to say that I don't agree with most of you who predict a new 15 inch rmbp with Iris Pro.

My bet is to leave Iris Pro for the 13 inch rmbp and include a dGPU on 15 inch model. It just makes no sense downgrading Gpu performance after more than a year wait. I'm pretty sure it will come with nvidia 750-60m.
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If you'd really been following this thread since page 100, you'd have seen the bazillion reasons why you are not going to see a dGPU on the 15 inch. :rolleyes:

dGPU. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen.
 
john123 said:
If you'd really been following this thread since page 100, you'd have seen the bazillion reasons why you are not going to see a dGPU on the 15 inch. :rolleyes:

dGPU. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen.
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As I said, Iris Pro is a huge improvement in performance for 13 inch rmbp but not for the high end 15 inch model.

If you were right, then Apple should give us very convincing reasons to buy a computer less powerful than the previous model released more than a year ago.
 
bkin94 said:
iris PRO is a pro product. It is not HD graphics and it is not like anything that has ever been done by Intel that I know of. yYes, maybe next year they will be in cheap computers, but by then the rMBPs will have the next gen Iris Pro chips.
also the CPU is a high end CPU (the fastest currently available on laptops if I am not mistaken)
if the fact that cheaper computers will have the technology in a year means a computer isn't pro in your mind, I don't think there are many products that fit your definition of pro.
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I'm a bit hesitant with that. You're right, the 13" Iris cpu/gpu would more than likely be that which would be implemented in cheaper computers. But my point was the tier of product. Okay I guess you could say the difference between the Iris, and Iris Pro would be the separating factor. But I really don't think that is enough of a gap from Cheap laptops, and the highest MBP available. Whether this is the first time Intel is doing anything like this is irrelevant, because unless they surpass the graphical power of Nvidia or AMD, they will still be the best bargain.

bkin94 said:
yYes, maybe next year they will be in cheap computers, but by then the rMBPs will have the next gen Iris Pro chips.
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Not next year, give it 2-3 months.

bkin94 said:
if the fact that cheaper computers will have the technology in a year means a computer isn't pro in your mind, I don't think there are many products that fit your definition of pro.
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There are, but it seems Apple is limiting my choices.
 
peponcious said:
As I said, Iris Pro is a huge improvement in performance for 13 inch rmbp but not for the high end 15 inch model.

If you were right, then Apple should give us very convincing reasons to buy a computer less powerful than the previous model released more than a year ago.
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Apple will basically say that if you're not convinced, buy a refurbished 2012 or 2013 rMBP, a 2013 Air, a Windows laptop, or nothing.
 
peponcious said:
As I said, Iris Pro is a huge improvement in performance for 13 inch rmbp but not for the high end 15 inch model.

If you were right, then Apple should give us very convincing reasons to buy a computer less powerful than the previous model released more than a year ago.
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Iris 5100 is going to 13", and Iris Pro 5200 is going to 15". But yeah, it'll be a good improvement for the 13". I personally "go big or go home" (not that I'd get a 17" though), so that doesn't concern me.

And yeah, we'll see what they say about it lol
 
peponcious said:
As I said, Iris Pro is a huge improvement in performance for 13 inch rmbp but not for the high end 15 inch model.

If you were right, then Apple should give us very convincing reasons to buy a computer less powerful than the previous model released more than a year ago.
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The reasons have been stated literally dozens of times in this thread already. Do you honestly want me to copy/paste them again because you haven't been reading?

If you really think a dGPU is coming, you're not living in the real world.
 
peponcious said:
If you were right, then Apple should give us very convincing reasons to buy a computer less powerful than the previous model released more than a year ago.
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LOL. Why should they? You must think Apple needs to rationalize everything it does by producing better specs :D If that were the driving force behind Apple decisions then OSX Snow Leopard wouldn't Geek bench higher than Mountain Lion.

And... as a MPB13 user I paid my dues when they dropped the dGPU in those units. Why should you 15" people get any special love? :D
 
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