Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[johnnylarue]

Oh, that's how "Pro" is quantified? I'm glad someone finally cleared that up.

Also note that, for many, the time-honoured profession known as "video gaming" is the only profession that matters in gauging the level of professionalism exhibited by a portable computer.

 

[devilcm3]

Do you think Apple considers their target audience as one that wishes to think about PCBs, or one that wants something that "just works" and has AppleCare for when it doesn't?

Man, I've been writing code for a zillion years and work as a technology consultant, and even I don't give a rat's ass what route Apple takes to providing me with a product. It just needs to work. If I want to start thinking about *how* it works, I'll go build a PC.

you speak like a macbook air user.

Not only it needs to work, it need to fulfill a certain level of performance.
inadequate performance impedes productivity.

Of course you didn't give a rat ass, I wrote entire django project using just sublime text and terminal, that can be done on a 2008 mbp as well.
macbook pro users are not only used by programmers, there are also multimedia producers to be considered as the potential customer as well.

 

[Vanilla35]

It is fair to say that this is bollocks. The Iris Pro is hardly cheap, and there is no space that needs to be saved in the iMac, since it does not use a battery. There might be a lower end iMac with, say, a 4570R and no dgpu, but the though that the iMac lineup will have no dgpu is absurd.

Aha. So when they take the dGPU out of the 15" rMBP, we're just whining teenagers who are too concerned about gaming. But when they touch your precious iMac it's cruel and unusual punishment

 

[cjbarker5]

Aha. So when they take the dGPU out of the 15" rMBP, we're just whining teenagers who are too concerned about gaming. But when they touch your precious iMac it's cruel and unusual punishment

Looks like someone laid a little trap ;-)

 

[iKrivetko]

Aha. So when they take the dGPU out of the 15" rMBP, we're just whining teenagers who are too concerned about gaming. But when they touch your precious iMac it's cruel and unusual punishment

Stop being obtuse, replacing a dgpu with a more or less similarly performing igpu in a laptop is reasonable, since laptops require a lot of compromises, whereas "my precious iMac" (which I don't even have, unlike an mbp) has no such limitations.

 

[Vanilla35]

Stop being obtuse, replacing a dgpu with a more or less similarly performing igpu in a laptop is reasonable, since laptops require a lot of compromises, whereas "my precious iMac" (which I don't even have, unlike an mbp) has no such limitations.

I don't know about you but...the 21.5 inch iMac is getting a little cramped in there. Might be in need of stripping the dGPU out to thin the machine out a little more

 

[Marconelly]

Right. A 750m would provide slightly higher frame rates than Iris Pro HD 5200 at the same resolution. The performance difference is not enough to enable a higher resolution at a given frame rate

GT750M in GDDR5 configuration is about the same as GTX670M, while having less power draw. Performance of 670M is not what I'd call "slightly higher" than something that's already notably slower than 650M.

They could even use 760M if they wanted, and still have less total power draw than existing rMBP, thanks to lesser power draw of haswell. You have to remember, these discrete GPUs are mostly active in situations where battery life is not that much of a concern.

 

[tmiw]

Evidently people missed the sarcasm.

 

[mcarling]

Ok. I a dGPU is on die with a CPU, is it still really an iGPU, or is it still a dGPU?

Integrated GPUs are referred to as integrated because it's really just the CPU with some extra circuitry pretending to be a GPU, which is very different than a dedicated GPU. It's also why an iGPU shares memory with the CPU (because it IS the CPU.)

So a dGPU moved on die with a CPU is still a dGPU, just moved.

The d in dGPU means discrete, not dedicated. An iGPU and dGPU are equally dedicated.

the thought that the iMac lineup will have no dgpu is absurd.

Sorry, no. iMacs will not have discrete GPUs forever. Within a few years they will be replaced by iGPUs to reduce cost. It could happen with Haswell, especially if the new iMacs will not have Retina displays.

 

[toneLA]

You know, I'm getting really tired of people referring to Apple customers as "sheep". We get enough of that from the pro-Android camp, but I don't expect to find that in a Mac-centric forum. Study after study has found that Apple customers are better educated and more affluent than the average population. You don't get to that level by being a blind follower. It requires intelligence, planning, execution and discernment.

Just because someone has different computing needs than you does not make them "sheep".

Thank you. Couldn't say it better.

 

[tmiw]

Hmm, somebody who can use a netbook complains that haswell laptop is underpowered?

It would have been a bit more credible if he said MacBook Air or something.

 

[Brian Kendig]

Right. A 750m would provide slightly higher frame rates than Iris Pro HD 5200 at the same resolution. The performance difference is not enough to enable a higher resolution at a given frame rate..

BioShock Infinite? Call of Duty 4? Grand Theft Auto: VC? Guild Wars 2? Or, if you dual-boot into Windows: Skyrim, Battlefield 3, Final Fantasy XIV, Fable III, Assassin's Creed IV?

 

[radiologyman]

It would have been a bit more credible if he said MacBook Air or something.

I wish mods would take harder stand on trolling.

 

[ohbrilliance]

That's because those MacBooks / Macbook Pros only support SATA at 1.5Gbit/s. Later models support 3GBit/s, and the current models support 6GBit/s.

This is why I decided not to upgrade my 2007 MBP with an SSD.

You'd be surprised. Even running at Sata 1, the Intel 320 SSD I put in my 2007 MBP transformed it into a much faster machine. Opening apps, rebooting, opening PSDs, launching the terminal, etc., all happen in a fraction of the time than before. It's not just raw read/write speed, but also faster seek times on random reads that speeds things up.

 

[iKrivetko]

Sorry, no. iMacs will not have discrete GPUs forever. Within a few years they will be replaced by iGPUs to reduce cost. It could happen with Haswell, especially if the new iMacs will not have Retina displays.

I never said "forever". However, that will not happen until dgpus are obsolete per se.

 

[sofianito]

I must be the only person who does not care in the slightest about the GPU. I almost never game on my laptop. I do alot of stats, and the software is not optimised to use multiple cores never mind GPU's for the most part. So I don't care. I do care about clock speed, RAM bandwidth and capacity....I guess that makes me oldschool

According to your usage, an Amiga 1200 would do the job...

 

[thundersteele]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130830PD202.html

New Haswell CPUs in September. Good or bad? They say something about mass production only in October

 

[sofianito]

you speak like a macbook air user.

Not only it needs to work, it need to fulfill a certain level of performance.
inadequate performance impedes productivity.

Of course you didn't give a rat ass, I wrote entire django project using just sublime text and terminal, that can be done on a 2008 mbp as well.
macbook pro users are not only used by programmers, there are also multimedia producers to be considered as the potential customer as well.

Did you write Django project or a web application with Django framework?

 

[ValSalva]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130830PD202.html

New Haswell CPUs in September. Good or bad? They say something about mass production only in October

I guess it's bad news only if the rMBP's are going to use one or some of the newer processors. That could push the Haswell update into November, late November. It's still Christmas season Gut feeling, which is all I have to go on at this point, still tells me October though.

 

[Stef4n]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130830PD202.html

New Haswell CPUs in September. Good or bad? They say something about mass production only in October

Very interesting! So we can't expect Macbook Pros before the end of october? But somehow the Airs are currently to strong compared to the Retinas. It is somehow even a joke that the airs have a integrated 5000 while the "Pros" have only a 4000er...

I guess they will act now and give an update in february/march again.

 

[sofianito]

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[The Mercurian]

According to your usage, an Amiga 1200 would do the job...

Well I could fire that up in Amiga Forever on my Windows partition

 

[sofianito]

Very interesting! So we can't expect Macbook Pros before the end of october? But somehow the Airs are currently to strong compared to the Retinas. It is somehow even a joke that the airs have a integrated 5000 while the "Pros" have only a 4000er...

I guess they will act now and give an update in february/march again.

No leaked bench, SKU...etc. I think it's gonna be late 2013 (~end of November)...

Let's go to Cupertino Infinite Loop offices and do a strike and shout: We need leaked bench, we need leaked SKU, fire fire Cook...

 

[iKrivetko]

I doubt that these new chips will affect the MPBs' release dates. Judging by the model ids, there is one that is quite likely suitable for the 15" (4960HQ) and two that may or may not be suitable, depending on whether they use the 5000 or the 5100 (or the 4400, for that matter), for the 13" (4600U and 4300U).

 

[sofianito]

You know, I'm getting really tired of people referring to Apple customers as "sheep". We get enough of that from the pro-Android camp, but I don't expect to find that in a Mac-centric forum. Study after study has found that Apple customers are better educated and more affluent than the average population. You don't get to that level by being a blind follower. It requires intelligence, planning, execution and discernment.

Just because someone has different computing needs than you does not make them "sheep".

If a person has intelligence, planning, execution and discernment skills, then she/he won't be bothered or get tired from others' judgements or derogatory comments. She/He would just ignore them...