That makes sense.
Well I'm contradicting a bit myself since I'd get the Haswell 13" rMBP if it's released by mid September...
. In that case I won't mind using the dual screen mode... 
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Well I'm contradicting a bit myself since I'd get the Haswell 13" rMBP if it's released by mid September...
. In that case I won't mind using the dual screen mode... Yeah, I think an external monitor for the rMBP is pointless at least for right now. At least if you're like me and want the same clarity of the screen that you would get on the rMBP. You could always use a Retina iPad as an external display, though.
I, however, would not be able to flip-flop so easily like you are thinking of doing. For me, it's rMBP or nothing. I would not settle for the screen on the Air.
In my opinion, $450 is way too much to pay for an extra 8GB RAM and the minor CPU bump. The problem for me is that I definitely need 16GB RAM in my next laptop as I intend to use it for 5+ years and will use it primarily for audio recording/production, so going baseline is just not an option.
If the Haswell refresh doesn't appeal to me, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that prices on refurb early-2013 MBPr's will come down a bit.
I do wonder how much faster the rMBP will be than the MBA. I'm sure the speed difference won't be huge, but the i5 option should at least be coming close to if not exceeding the i7 on the Air.
I'm sure the current rMBP i7 blows the Air i7 away, right?
For some the fact that the speed difference is minor isn't a problem, but I don't care. I want the Retina display in a 13-inch form factor, and we are getting a more Pro machine than just the processor. But then the processor is also a real processor and not ULV like in the Air.
This is repeated over and over again. Not sure if it is true. The cooling of the CPU is simply a function of the airflow and size of the heatsink by which the heat is dissipated. Now take a look at ifixit.com and compare the heatsink sizes of both.
15 inch heat sink and 13 inch heatsink
Fan speed and airflow can be the same. On top of that the 15 inch has a dGPU from which it has to dissipate the heat in addition and on top.
Now it still could be that they are not able to dissipate the 47W in the 13 inch but actually I think it is more a question of marketing, product positioning, pricing and so on but NOT a technical reason.
It seems as though tomorrow, Sep 1, Intel will be releasing a whole new line up of Haswell CPU's. Of course, if the rMBP would come equipped with these CPUs then we most likely won't see them be released in September (of course there is chance for Apple gets Intel products before the release day). On the positive, we will be getting faster rMBPs and personally I don't mind waiting 1-2 months for better clock speeds (I've been waiting since March).
Proof: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130830PD202.html (a reliable source)
Proof: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130830PD202.html (a reliable source)
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I would love that the rmbp 13 comes with a beefier cooling system so that it can accept the 47w cpus
aside that in terms of marketing and product positioning it would make sense to put a quad, simply because in terms of performance the mba and the rmbp 13 are extremely close. one can say that cost is a factor given the quads cost more than the i5 dual cores
Cheers for the link.
Recapping: the new Haswell CPU most likely will benefit my video editing (rendering and such), while RAM will aid my graphic designing + gaming? Is there still someone daring to give any indications whether a game such as Rome 2 might work with an Iris Pro?
And of course, I am one of those persons torn between waiting for the refresh and itching to pull the trigger one a current model - while starting my new job next week, for which a new laptop would be very, very convenient.
you mean one of the most demanding games that exist? sure it will run, how well is another matter
Not exactly. According to http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks:
13" MacBook Pro Retina (2013) i7 3.0GHz - 7752
13" MacBook Air (2013) i7 1.7GHz - 7274
I would expect the new rMBP to increase that gap slightly, but it won't be much more. Remember the big improvement with Haswell is power consumption rather than processor performance.
EDIT: This of course assumes they don't stick a quad core cpu in the new 13" rMBP, although I doubt they would.
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There exists a 37W Haswell quad, which is only 2W more than the current i7. If it's not released, it is most certainly a product positioning reason.
There was no sarcasm intended in my original post. I thought you were pointing out what Apple always tend to do, not what they have done in the past.
Apologies if you took my post the wrong way, it wasnt intended to be sarcastic.
That's still a decent speed boost. Although some will say that because it is a Pro machine, the difference should be greater.
Haha, again with the text based communications difficulties.
I was trying to say that my post was intended to be sarcastic.
Cheers for the link.
Recapping: the new Haswell CPU most likely will benefit my video editing (rendering and such), while RAM will aid my graphic designing + gaming? Is there still someone daring to give any indications whether a game such as Rome 2 might work with an Iris Pro?
And of course, I am one of those persons torn between waiting for the refresh and itching to pull the trigger one a current model - while starting my new job next week, for which a new laptop would be very, very convenient.
Europa Universalis IV will definitely run smoothly on the Iris Pro; Total War: Rome 2, on the other hand... if it does run, it won't be pretty.
but it doesn't come with either the 5100 or 5200
in terms of performance the difference is negligible, so in truth, if you want a retina screen you get the rmbp, if not the mba
The question of battery life comes to mind since this new model is supposed to feature much longer operating time unplugged. That's the one big draw for me if it comes true. There's so many variables in play, I expect to have to wait until members of this forum that buy them, begin to report back on actually usage experiences.
Thunderbolt 2
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2047...s-worlds-first-thunderbolt-2-motherboard.html
I haven't been on this forum but I saw this and leads me to believe that the MacBook Pro and maybe even the Mac Pro will be coming very very soon maybe at the the iphone event or soon after
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2047...s-worlds-first-thunderbolt-2-motherboard.html
I haven't been on this forum but I saw this and leads me to believe that the MacBook Pro and maybe even the Mac Pro will be coming very very soon maybe at the the iphone event or soon after
but it doesn't come with either the 5100 or 5200
because it doesnt need to.
I don't think it's likely that Apple have been holding up release of the Haswell MBP just for Thunderbolt 2.
Yeah I don't think so either. It's most likely because of display issues. At least that's what Kuo said.
If Apple does release the rMBP in October, would it have thunderbolt 2? It would be great it it would.
If Apple does release the rMBP in October, would it have thunderbolt 2? It would be great it it would.
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I'm trying to make excuses to buy the new (possible) Haswell rMBP but my 2010 MBP with 8GB and the SSD is still so fast at anything that a throw at it that i can't make any.
The battery life is the only thing that is not as good as it once was but that's not really enough.
I'm really tempted though.
/1st world problems, I guess.
The battery life is the only thing that is not as good as it once was but that's not really enough.
I'm really tempted though.
/1st world problems, I guess.
I also have a 15" 2010 MBP with SSD (and a 13" 2011 MBA). I plan to buy a 15" Haswell MBP for the following reasons, from most important to me down to least important for me:
- Retina display
- lighter weight
- 4K external monitor support
- 802.11ac Wifi
- battery life
- Thunderbolt
- faster SSD
- better iSight camera
because it doesnt need to.
continue day dreaming, they say its good for the spirits
The 13" cooling system could *easily* handle the 47W quad core.
Anandtech demonstrates that the current cooling system can handle a lot more than the current 35W processors.
I think people just make stuff up when they say the 13 couldn't handle it. The 15 dissipates 90W currently, no reason the 13 couldn't handle 47. Even at max load the current 13' doesn't break a sweat and runs cooler than the 15".
Anandtech demonstrates that the current cooling system can handle a lot more than the current 35W processors.
I think people just make stuff up when they say the 13 couldn't handle it. The 15 dissipates 90W currently, no reason the 13 couldn't handle 47. Even at max load the current 13' doesn't break a sweat and runs cooler than the 15".
If any happen on 10 Sept, why Apple not announce to hold a Keynote yet?(somethings like the preparation of the booth)
Hope there's any news for mbp in the event.
Hope there's any news for mbp in the event.
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