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Now there is an Intel chip being released in Q4?? What ever happened to the "Special" Haswell Chip Intel was supposedly making specifically for Apple? :confused:

did you really believed that?

the crystalwell cpus are the ones that apple wanted and got, they are available for everyone to get
 
did you really believed that?

the crystalwell cpus are the ones that apple wanted and got, they are available for everyone to get

Damn, Im wearing a "naive" colored face right now after seeing this news :D....well, September must be dead. I think this has been the longest I have waited for an Apple product with this much EXCITEMENT! I get a kick out of coming here though :)
 
well, September must be dead.
Why? Because Intel just announced the top end chip? What makes anyone think they haven't started producing any of them before the announcement date? I'd expect them to have been producing/stockpiling and/or forwarding them to Apple's suppliers for a while now.

October (or later) may end up being right, but I see zip in this latest news that definitively rules out September.
 
Why? Because Intel just announced the top end chip? What makes anyone think they haven't started producing any of them before the announcement date? I'd expect them to have been producing/stockpiling and/or forwarding them to Apple's suppliers for a while now.

October (or later) may end up being right, but I see zip in this latest news that definitively rules out September.

Oh, my fingers & toes are still crossed for a September release! I just wont be too disappointed if they are not released this month.
 
What Should a Switcher Do?

I've run out of patience (and frustration) with the Windows world and the debacle that is Windows 8, so I am moving on to OS X. I have been following the hand-wringing that is the wait for a Haswell MacBook Pro, and I'm not sure I haven't landed in the same predicament here in Apple land.

After reading this lengthy and information packed forum, I have to wonder what will Haswell really bring to the table, for a Retina MacBook Pro 15, other than longer battery life? The 2012 rMBP, with its dedicated GPU, seems like a formidable laptop, and I just don't see why wait (other than the usual advantage of longer resale life as the "newest" release).

Any sage advice from all you old hands?
 
802.11ac. Faster storage maybe? Mostly the hand-wringing exists because, unlike the Windows world, there's a dependence on one hardware vendor. It's really more of a "first world problems" situation - we're bringing the stress upon ourselves. :)
 
I've run out of patience (and frustration) with the Windows world and the debacle that is Windows 8, so I am moving on to OS X. I have been following the hand-wringing that is the wait for a Haswell MacBook Pro, and I'm not sure I haven't landed in the same predicament here in Apple land.

After reading this lengthy and information packed forum, I have to wonder what will Haswell really bring to the table, for a Retina MacBook Pro 15, other than longer battery life? The 2012 rMBP, with its dedicated GPU, seems like a formidable laptop, and I just don't see why wait (other than the usual advantage of longer resale life as the "newest" release).

Any sage advice from all you old hands?

If you want to switch now, then switch now. There are great deals on early 2013 Ivy Bridge rMBPs.
 
I've run out of patience (and frustration) with the Windows world and the debacle that is Windows 8, so I am moving on to OS X. I have been following the hand-wringing that is the wait for a Haswell MacBook Pro, and I'm not sure I haven't landed in the same predicament here in Apple land.

After reading this lengthy and information packed forum, I have to wonder what will Haswell really bring to the table, for a Retina MacBook Pro 15, other than longer battery life? The 2012 rMBP, with its dedicated GPU, seems like a formidable laptop, and I just don't see why wait (other than the usual advantage of longer resale life as the "newest" release).

Any sage advice from all you old hands?

I have some opinions from a multi-platform user, if that's helpful. I run Windows desktops and Mac laptops and see no chances of that changing anytime soon.

So as far as Haswell, it's entirely about battery. And iGPU, but on the 15" this may actually be a negative (general opinion is that dGPU is out this year in exchange for an HD 5200 iGPU, which is basically equivalent to the 650m in the current rMBP).

If you're looking at the 13" then this might be a big deal. The 13" rMBP only ran iGPU last year, but the HD 4000 is massively underpowered for that resolution. The HD 5100 should be about twice as fast, making it more than sufficient for non-gamers (and at half resolution it might actually do alright in some games). It also is going to get a big battery boost, likely even for the top spec model.

If your target is the 15" rMBP I'm going to say that this might not be the year if the iGPU-only rumors are true. The HD 5200 is a decent chip (as I said it's the equivalent of the dGPU from last year's model) and it's going to make the normal day to day use of the machine much smoother compared to the HD 4000.

If you were expecting a 700-series dGPU this year and it doesn't happen the machine is going to feel underpowered in 3D rendering or other serious graphics applications. If that's your usage case I'd say you might need to wait for Broadwell, when the iGPU might actually be powerful enough for serious 3D applications. Of course it's also entirely possible that the info out there is wrong, and that there will be a dGPU, but I personally doubt it. Apple's focus right now seems to be on improving battery life instead of performance.

Basically, to me it seems like this year it's going to be about the 13" laptop. It's the size people want for portability, and Haswell means Apple can deliver on battery and GPU performance that was simply impossible at that size last year. For my usage case this is exactly what I've been waiting for, but it sounds like it's not what you need.

Thanks for the recommendation - are there problems with the 2012 models - they are significantly discounted from the Feb 2013 models?

Nothing specifically wrong with them, no. They have slightly -- and I mean about 0.1ghz -- slower CPUs. In fact they're probably a great deal if you understand that most of the time the system will be running on that slow HD 4000 iGPU (the 650m is there on the 15" but that's going to eat your battery very quickly).
 
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I have some opinions from a multi-platform user, if that's helpful. I run Windows desktops and Mac laptops and see no chances of that changing anytime soon.

So as far as Haswell, it's entirely about battery. And iGPU, but on the 15" this may actually be a negative (general opinion is that dGPU is out this year in exchange for an HD 5200 iGPU, which is basically equivalent to the 650m in the current rMBP).

If you're looking at the 13" then this might be a big deal. The 13" rMBP only ran iGPU last year, but the HD 4000 is massively underpowered for that resolution. The HD 5100 should be about twice as fast, making it more than sufficient for non-gamers (and at half resolution it might actually do alright in some games). It also is going to get a big battery boost, likely even for the top spec model.

If your target is the 15" rMBP I'm going to say that this might not be the year if the iGPU-only rumors are true. The HD 5200 is a decent chip (as I said it's the equivalent of the dGPU from last year's model) and it's going to make the normal day to day use of the machine much smoother compared to the HD 4000.

If you were expecting a 700-series dGPU this year and it doesn't happen the machine is going to feel underpowered in 3D rendering or other serious graphics applications. If that's your usage case I'd say you might need to wait for Broadwell, when the iGPU might actually be powerful enough for serious 3D applications. Of course it's also entirely possible that the info out there is wrong, and that there will be a dGPU, but I personally doubt it. Apple's focus right now seems to be on improving battery life instead of performance.

Basically, to me it seems like this year it's going to be about the 13" laptop. It's the size people want for portability, and Haswell means Apple can deliver on battery and GPU performance that was simply impossible at that size last year. For my usage case this is exactly what I've been waiting for, but it sounds like it's not what you need.



Nothing specifically wrong with them, no. They have slightly -- and I mean about 0.1ghz -- slower CPUs. In fact they're probably a great deal if you understand that most of the time the system will be running on that slow HD 4000 iGPU (the 650m is there on the 15" but that's going to eat your battery very quickly).

I don't understand why people continue to say the HD 4000 is this slow pathetic graphics card that cannot handle the retina display. Its nonsense and has been disproved time and time again. Yes, it is no where near as good as the new intel integrated graphics that will be in the new rMBPS. But you have to understand as well that when Mavericks comes out the general user experience will be improved vastly, as people have said using the beta versions already. Therefore, it is not the HD 4000, but is the software that is causing the ui lag people talk about, and continue to blame on graphics.
 
how thick will the 13" be??

currently they are at

13" .75inch
15" .71inch

MBA-.11-.68

when the rMBPs update what do you think there thickness will be?

I bet the 13" and maybe even the 15" could get thinner
 
Basically, to me it seems like this year it's going to be about the 13" laptop. It's the size people want for portability, and Haswell means Apple can deliver on battery and GPU performance that was simply impossible at that size last year. For my usage case this is exactly what I've been waiting for, but it sounds like it's not what you need.

Agreed. I think the rMBP was made with Haswell in mind. I'm also going for the 13-inch, and this is what many of us have been waiting for in that form factor. It will be a big upgrade for the 13, and not so much for the 15.

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currently they are at

13" .75inch
15" .71inch

MBA-.11-.68

when the rMBPs update what do you think there thickness will be?

I bet the 13" and maybe even the 15" could get thinner

Rumors indicate the 13-inch will get thinner to match the .71 on the 15 inch. Other than that they will stay the same.
 
I don't understand why people continue to say the HD 4000 is this slow pathetic graphics card that cannot handle the retina display. Its nonsense and has been disproved time and time again. Yes, it is no where near as good as the new intel integrated graphics that will be in the new rMBPS. But you have to understand as well that when Mavericks comes out the general user experience will be improved vastly, as people have said using the beta versions already. Therefore, it is not the HD 4000, but is the software that is causing the ui lag people talk about, and continue to blame on graphics.

I don't mean to feed into hyperbole, but saying it's been "disproved" is also a bit much since you don't know my specific usage case. I'm interested in the 13" only, and that means only having access to the HD 4000. For what I do that's not acceptable, but the HD 5100 would be. As far as the overall "normal" user experience the HD 4000 is okay but not great. If you have the dGPU to fall back on it's probably basically a non-issue, battery life aside.
 
I've got an off-the-wall solution for the igpu/dgpu problem that Apple might implement.

Most of you that do the type of work that requires a dGPU, do that while sitting at a desk, right? What if they release a 4k Thunderbolt 2 display with an onboard dGPU?

EDIT: They can spin it as "Why use those FirePros to drive the display while you're working on your new Mac Pro: why not use the TB2 display, and keep your FirePros free for rendering?"
 
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Intels new chips

In June when Intel released new chips apple had the air announced 6 days later so doesn't it make sense that they'll have it ready for the September 10th keynote if new chips were released today . Why would apple wait a month to put them in it they're available now . Also intel has a convention on September 10th so this leads me to believe that this date will result in an update for the pros! Finally
 
I don't mean to feed into hyperbole, but saying it's been "disproved" is also a bit much since you don't know my specific usage case. I'm interested in the 13" only, and that means only having access to the HD 4000. For what I do that's not acceptable, but the HD 5100 would be. As far as the overall "normal" user experience the HD 4000 is okay but not great. If you have the dGPU to fall back on it's probably basically a non-issue, battery life aside.

I understand that the HD 4000 on the 13" may not be suitable for things besides browsing, such as gaming/photoshop/video editing/etc.. However, I was only talking about normal usage such as surfing, scrolling, word processing, etc.. There would be no need to fall back on the dGPU for any of these things. The only reason I brought this up was because in your previous post you seemed to be saying that the HD 4000 could not even handle the easiest tasks on the rMBP. I didn't mean any offense towards you and I was not implying I know what you are going to do with it.
 
Thanks for the recommendation - are there problems with the 2012 models - they are significantly discounted from the Feb 2013 models?

The main reason for the difference in price is that the mid-2012 rMBPs are not the current offering. There were isolated reports of QA problems with displays, so in the very unlikely event you get a bad one, return it during the 15 day No Questions Asked Get Your Money Back period.
 
Invitation today?

Last year Apple has sent out the invites for the September 12 event on Tuesday September 4, 8 days in advance.

So, the invite for this years event should come today, or tomorrow. I expect a very colorful invitiation to refer to the color line that will be added to the iPhone lineup, but maybe there'll be a hint that there is some news for the Pros as well? Or some Mavericks related news?

We'll see.
 
Last year Apple has sent out the invites for the September 12 event on Tuesday September 4, 8 days in advance.

So, the invite for this years event should come today, or tomorrow. I expect a very colorful invitiation to refer to the color line that will be added to the iPhone lineup, but maybe there'll be a hint that there is some news for the Pros as well? Or some Mavericks related news?

We'll see.

I didn't follow every tid-bit of news, but the rest of the internet seems to be hinting at an event on Sep 20th, not 10th. I don't know why MacRumors still has the 10th lister at the front page.
 
So due to mine and my partners wedding happening in December it looks like it might not be so financially viable for me to by a Haswell rMBP after all. Might just have to keep going on this old 2011 MacBook Air for a bit longer. Grrr. Oh well, looks like I'll be calling the 'Waiting for Broadwell MBP Mega Thread' home for the next year bahaha.
 
I've been monitoring the Dutch Apple site, but no refurbished Macs (desktop and laptop) popping up there. Refurbs seem quite sporadic, or non-existent for that matter, here in the Netherlands.

Hoping for the discounted rMBPs then.

I've checked the Dutch Apple refurbed section every once in a while for 3 years now. I can't remember the last time they had Macs there or if they had any at all. They usually have many iPads and Airport hardware and some iPods (mostly the cheaper ones).

And I don't think it's because the Dutch are to kind to not return their Macbooks. They are just to cheap to get Apple Care or decent warranty, so they're out of a machine while it gets fixed.
 
Last year Apple has sent out the invites for the September 12 event on Tuesday September 4, 8 days in advance.

So, the invite for this years event should come today, or tomorrow. I expect a very colorful invitiation to refer to the color line that will be added to the iPhone lineup, but maybe there'll be a hint that there is some news for the Pros as well? Or some Mavericks related news?

We'll see.

That trend will follow the invitation will send out today or tomorrow like you said . Intel also just released new processors yesterday which means hello updated pro. The 13 inch will have the i5-4258-U and i5-4288-U with an option for an i7 upgrade option and the 15 inch will have the i7-4850HQ and the i7-4950HQ. They might announce a mavericks release date and it'll be within 30 days of September 10th so that way people that buy the new pros will get it for free.

I didn't follow every tid-bit of news, but the rest of the internet seems to be hinting at an event on Sep 20th, not 10th. I don't know why MacRumors still has the 10th lister at the front page.


September 10 is the announcement it's pretty much 100% confirmed. September 20th is the release date . The last three iPhones and maybe even the ones before that all released 10 days after the announcement date, so macrumors and the rest of the internet are correct . Go look at the black out dates they're all centered around September 20th. Why would they have blackout days for the announcement?
 
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