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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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"Most people" (consumers) will consider the move to iGPU a significant upgrade too. The machines will run much cooler (quieter), and battery life will see a huge improvement. I'd consider that to be a machine that "preforms" better.
The tradeoff for the intel switch was having to run PowerPC apps with an emulation layer in between (Rosetta) which performed exactly like it sounds like it would. We also lost Classic, which was nice for nostalgias sake.
While Apple (or Tim Cook) hasn't come out and said it, I think they're disappointed with the progress made to mobile gpus over the years. It's pretty widely accepted that the push for Intel to develop Iris Pro came from Apple.
It depends on your technology background. I grew up using MSDOS, I run Windows on the desktops I build, I sometimes use Linux professionally, and I use Apple laptops because they simply make the best portable hardware.
Honestly I could spend all day talking about the massive problems with all 3 major OS options. At the end of it my conclusion would be that there is no best OS, only a best OS for your needs.
I have similar feelings about the iOS vs. Android situation. I use both, I honestly couldn't pick one as "better" for all people or usage types.
No worries as there's no parade to rain on as I'm in the win/win camp!
I'm getting a new machine no matter what it does or doesn't have internally and will be totally fine with it as my usage really only requires a 15" screen.
It's those who are after a dGPU who are sitting like nervous nellies at the moment.
I'm not saying one is "better", but I see people make comments like that all the time on here. Saying they'll switch to Windows if so-and-so happens, or debating between a Windows ultrabook and a Mac.
For me, the OS matters. I couldn't switch to Windows at the drop of a hat. Mac OS is the only thing I would use.
It's just interesting that some people will switch OSes so easily.
Well, that was my point. Not everyone is locked into an OS like that. I use every OS and have no attachment to any of them. I don't switch OSes, I use them all constantly.
At the end of the day, every OS is a pain in the butt.
Same here! I use Linux at work, Windows on the desktop, Mac on the laptop. Mac and Linux are interchangeable for me, though OS X is more stable for use on laptops (for the same reason I'd prefer iOS stability over Android customization). Windows just has too much unique software to not have it.
And what to you think if the next cMBP will have:
13'' cMBP
-HD5000
-1680x 1050 only
-8gb with no option
-HDD or PCI-e SSD
-wifi AC
-dvd drive
15'' cMBP
-Nvidia GTX750m
-1680×1050 with the option of 1920×1200
-HDD or PCI-e SSD
-8gb and the possibility of 16gb of ram
-wifi AC
-dvd drive
13'' cMBP
-HD5000
-1680x 1050 only
-8gb with no option
-HDD or PCI-e SSD
-wifi AC
-dvd drive
15'' cMBP
-Nvidia GTX750m
-1680×1050 with the option of 1920×1200
-HDD or PCI-e SSD
-8gb and the possibility of 16gb of ram
-wifi AC
-dvd drive
I can because I still personally use Windows (and Linux) on my desktop. I used to run Windows on my Mac via bootcamp but eventually I figured it would just be more convenient for me when I work if I run my desktop at the same time to use Windows and the laptop on OSX. I'll be honest about it, I happen to like Windows 7 and 8 and, all things considered, building a Windows machine (or buying a Windows laptop) is still more cost-effective in terms of pure power than getting OSX machines. I have stuck with Macbooks simply because of their trackpads. They're just that convenient and intuitive to me. Apple is still the best at it, but recently other manufacturers have been catching up. So at this point, to me, switching OSes on my laptop won't be so much a pain as it would've been years ago. Worst case scenario for me is that I'll have to go back to using a bluetooth mouse. But I kinda already do that on my MBP sometimes (very rarely though).
Well, that was my point. Not everyone is locked into an OS like that. I use every OS and have no attachment to any of them. I don't switch OSes, I use them all constantly.
At the end of the day, every OS is a pain in the butt.
Exactly. There are several hundred (at least) virtual machines in the infrastructures I'm involved with daily; the O/S is neither here nor there for the most part. The only time I may feel frustrated is when I stumble upon a W2K or earlier server I have to mess with.
Shhh. Don't step on the hopes of other people.
Honestly though, I kinda hope they still update the cMBP.
Well, that was my point. Not everyone is locked into an OS like that. I use every OS and have no attachment to any of them. I don't switch OSes, I use them all constantly.
At the end of the day, every OS is a pain in the butt.
I guess for people like me who are locked-in, it's just hard to understand.
Well to me the cMBP seems a bit pointless.
The base model for the 15" is $1699, with the educational discount, compared to the base rMBP, which is $1999 with the educational discount. People mostly buy the cMBP because of the upgradability aspect. Well you're going to get 4GB as standard which you will pay $120 for 16GB eventually. So that brings the price up to around $1800.
Next, you will most likely want to ditch the hard drive so you will get the 256 GB SSD which is around $300 which brings the price up to $2099 which is only $100 less than what you pay for the base retina + 16GB ram upgrade. With the rMBP you get the retina screen obviously, a much lighter laptop and more video memory (this is assuming that you buy the current base cMBP compared to the current base rMBP+16GB ram upgrade). So really, why would you want a cMBP anyways? They haven't updated it when they gave the rMBP a spec bump either.
The base model for the 15" is $1699, with the educational discount, compared to the base rMBP, which is $1999 with the educational discount. People mostly buy the cMBP because of the upgradability aspect. Well you're going to get 4GB as standard which you will pay $120 for 16GB eventually. So that brings the price up to around $1800.
Next, you will most likely want to ditch the hard drive so you will get the 256 GB SSD which is around $300 which brings the price up to $2099 which is only $100 less than what you pay for the base retina + 16GB ram upgrade. With the rMBP you get the retina screen obviously, a much lighter laptop and more video memory (this is assuming that you buy the current base cMBP compared to the current base rMBP+16GB ram upgrade). So really, why would you want a cMBP anyways? They haven't updated it when they gave the rMBP a spec bump either.
Yeah, me i want a 13 inch retina. But if apple put a dGPU in the cMBP and iGPU in the rMBP everybody will be happy?
Eh, not so much... A lot of people want the better screen, reduced weight and significantly improved cooling of the rMBP but also a dGPU. Especially anyone who was looking to upgrade from the 2012 model; for these people there may not be a clear upgrade path this year.
If the iGPU-only 15" ends up being true it'll finalize my decision to go with the 13" (though that's already how I'm leaning simply because of the portability).
I'd be happier if Apple added a Right + Middle click, closed Apps with their windows and fixed that annoying mouse drag delay.
Win8 p'ed me off enough to try OSX... I uninstall Win8 from everything I can.
Linux is just hard and has limited SW.
I have another tab open with a Samsung 880z5e (ATIV 8) $1200 in the basket... Apple better hurry I'm losing patience!
No, that would just confuse a majority of the attendees and 99% of those viewing remotely, who would have no idea what he was talking about.
How many did you see buying cMBPs during that time?
Apple prefer integrated GPUs to discrete GPUs because of price, battery life, reliability (remember Apple was previously burned by reliability problems with discrete GPUs in MBPs) and, in the future, absolute performance.
Quad-core 15" and 17" MBPs were introduced in 2011. That started the speculation that the 2012 13" MBP would have a quad-core option.
The reason why integrated GPUs have been catching up to discrete GPUs in absolute performance is because performance is limited by the number of transistors that can be integrated onto one die. That number continues to increase over time, which means that a greater and greater percentage of a CPU's area can be allocated to the iGPU. Intel have been increasing the number of transistors in their integrated GPUs faster than anyone can increase the number of transistors in a discrete GPU.
A lot of posters seem to be overestimating the number of consumers who care about discrete GPUs. If everyone who knows the difference between a discrete GPU and an integrated GPU would stop buy Macs forever, it would have zero effect on Apple's quarterly financial reports because it would be lost in the rounding errors.
It is common for people to believe that they are a representative consumer. The truth is that no one who posts here is anywhere near a representative consumer.
Everyone is announcing their new high resolutions display notebooks. But still, I'm patiently waiting for the new rmbp.
I don't expect the base configuration of rMBP to rise from 128GB to 256GB SSD this year because a 256GB base model would require an entry price at least $100 higher than a 128GB base model.
That's assuming you'll get Apple to do the upgrading for you. If you're comfortable enough to do them yourself (as I am), then it comes out a lot cheaper. If you're going to talk about Applecare/warranty and all that, most aftermarket SSDs come with 3-5 years of warranty (Intel has 5, iirc) while G.Skill says they have a lifetime warranty on RAM. If I ever have a problem with my MBP, I'd just stick the old parts in and send it back. Of course some people think that's inconvenient but I personally don't think it is, which is why, I'm still hoping for a cMBP update. If there isn't one, then I guess I'll have to choose between the updated rMBP and last year's cMBP but until the cMBP is officially not going to get an update, I'll keep holding out hope for it.
And also: Why would they need to update the cMBP when they gave the Retina a spec bump? The cMBP was already going out with that kind of processor speed/gpu anyway. I don't remember exactly which component was having a yield issue (was it SSD? or the screen?) at the time but I remember that having something to do with the "re-release." That and they wanted to tell everyone "HEY LOOK! We're cutting hundreds of dollars from the original price!"
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It won't happen anymore. Two/three years ago I would have said that it will happen but there are too many facts which tell us something else:
1. Intel is putting a lot of effort in iGPU and they are quite successful.
2. Slim and light sells better than dGPU
3. Battery life and heat controll can be better optimized with iGPU.
4. dGPU would decrease the margin for Apple. And even if they would raise prices to keep their margin then at least they lose a part of their revenue due to less buyers.
5. dGPU as an option contradicts with the slim design startegy
Any other opinions?
No rumors yet and it is already the last day of the school back promotion. What if I buy a rMBP or Air now, get the 12% student discount + the gift card and send it back after 14 days, because the new rMBP is announced for September.
I know that I have to keep the gift card without getting refunded. But do I get the 12% student discount again, if I return the product?
Anyone with experience?
Terms say:
Purchase Quantity
Faculty, Staff and Students purchasing from the Apple Store for Education Individuals will be allowed to purchase the following quantities of product per academic school year. Not all products have special Education Pricing.
1. Desktop: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
2. Mac mini: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
3. Notebook: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
4. Display: A maximum of two (2) may be purchased per academic year
5. Software: A maximum of two (2) per software title may be purchased per academic year
**The above purchases can be made either online, in an Apple Retail Store, or through your Authorized Campus Reseller. Total product quantities remain the same regardless of where your purchase is made.
I know that I have to keep the gift card without getting refunded. But do I get the 12% student discount again, if I return the product?
Anyone with experience?
Terms say:
Purchase Quantity
Faculty, Staff and Students purchasing from the Apple Store for Education Individuals will be allowed to purchase the following quantities of product per academic school year. Not all products have special Education Pricing.
1. Desktop: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
2. Mac mini: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
3. Notebook: One (1) may be purchased per academic year
4. Display: A maximum of two (2) may be purchased per academic year
5. Software: A maximum of two (2) per software title may be purchased per academic year
**The above purchases can be made either online, in an Apple Retail Store, or through your Authorized Campus Reseller. Total product quantities remain the same regardless of where your purchase is made.
I believe the academic discount system is done on the honor system. If you purchase in an Apple retail store I assume they will want to check your student ID but will not check to see if you've made any past purchases. And if you've returned your one notebook then you would still be within the rules in my opinion.
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