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This is going to sound like trolling, but OS X is just UNIX with a graphical frontend. I'm not terribly excited about either O/S.
I'd have to pick up a copy of Windows to dual boot for Steam and Star Citizen. So add that to the price of my madness. It is truly irrational.

I must admit I like Exposé and Garageband for editing my podcast.
 
So there's no Mac-only applications or workflows you prefer?

I typically find there's something to prefer and dislike here and there in both camps. :)

It's usually network stuff that drives me towards Windows (for work). But, since I'm reading this thread, clearly OS X has appeal too.
 
Show me this product, because none of the direct rMBP competitors seem to be out there yet.

Lenovo Y510p. http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/
- 4th gen i7 2.4GHz
- 15.6" 1920x1080 display
- GeForce GT750M 2GB
- 8GB RAM
- 1TB HD
- 24GB SSD
- DVD dual-layer burner
- 3 USB ports

$999.

I can make do with my 2007 MBP for now, but if a new MBP is released that doesn't beat this, I'm buying the Lenovo and hackintoshing it.
 
This is going to sound like trolling, but OS X is just UNIX with a graphical frontend. I'm not terribly excited about either O/S.

I'll second that, actually. When picking between OS X (which is exactly what you said it is) and Windows (which is... well, Windows) there's never a clear winner.

Of course lots of people use computers professionally but are not in a computer-related field, so switching OSes or treating OS X like a UNIX-based system doesn't come naturally to them. It's totally understandable that they wouldn't want to learn to reproduce their workflow in a different OS.

I still don't know where these supposed rMBP competitors with Haswell are the guy was talking about. I see lots of high resolution Air competitors (similar form factor + same TDP chips + retina-like screen), lots of heavy gaming laptops, but none released yet that are in the same field as the rMBP.

Whenever i see posts about the MBA vs MBP/rMBP debate, people tend to forget one major drawback of the Air. Yes, the MBA is a pretty snappy machine but if you're trying to do some CPU intensive work like rendering or video editing (plus any other tasks that keep the system busy) the tiny fan of the MBA pretty soon gets annoying as hell. That's even worse when you're sitting in a space with other people giving you funny looks because your MacBook sounds like it tries to propel itself into space. That was one reason for me to return my i7 Haswell Air, the other one was the screen.

Mine goes back this week for the same 2 reasons. I'm not actually bothered by the noise, but I know for a fact that staying near 100C regularly IS going to impact the longevity of the CPU.

The rMBP has amazing cooling for a unibody Macbook, which have never had air intakes before. I see no thermal threat in running them at 100% CPU load indefinitely.
 
Lenovo Y510p. http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y-series/y510p/
- 4th gen i7 2.4GHz
- 15.6" 1920x1080 display
- GeForce GT750M 2GB
- 8GB RAM
- 1TB HD
- 24GB SSD
- DVD dual-layer burner
- 3 USB ports

$999.

I can make do with my 2007 MBP for now, but if a new MBP is released that doesn't beat this, I'm buying the Lenovo and hackintoshing it.

The current macbooks are much better looking, lighter, have better screens, bigger SSDs and a longer battery life than that.
 
The current macbooks are much better looking, lighter, have better screens, bigger SSDs and a longer battery life than that.
They're also running U Series dual core processors and integrated graphics.

>better looking

It's a laptop with a hinged display. Even the Macbooks show display flex. Imagine my shock when playing with them in store.
 
The current macbooks are much better looking, lighter, have better screens, bigger SSDs and a longer battery life than that.

Thing is, those are things I don't need, because I'm not going to be carrying this on a plane and I'm rarely far from a power plug.

Meanwhile, this one has a significantly bigger storage capacity, upgradable storage and memory, more USB ports, and a current (and fairly powerful) graphics chip. Those features are more important to me.
 
[...], and Sony's interesting looking convertible has a totally unknown release date [...]

End of October for 11"-15" (and End of November for the high-res version), pricing and release date is on Sony's site.
Though it may be only available as ULV Haswell ...

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I can provide some analytical evidence as well: "Little" Kepler is the worst compute GPU around. Great gaming chip, terrible for compute. By design, actually, to reduce costs, improve yields, and allow for higher clock speeds. NVidia has absolutely nothing decent to offer Apple on the mobile compute front (and this is supposed to be a "pro" machine, not a gaming laptop) unless they can shrink a "Big" Kepler GK110 for notebook format and not have it end up with a huge TDP.
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Out of curiosity, do you have some links at hand for this?
 
There seem to be an awful lot of refurb models going on the Apple Online Store right now (UK). Coincidence or not? :confused:
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Does the OS mean nothing to you? Even if there was a magical PC notebook that was half the price and twice as powerful as the rMBP, you'd still have.. Windows? :confused:

Well, actually Windows has come a long long way since NT 4.0.
 
Out of curiosity, do you have some links at hand for this?
nVidia and AMD swapped chairs in the current generation of video cards. The GK104 was designed for gaming and gave up a portion of its compute power for a much smaller die size than previous generations. I recall one article (Hexus or VR-Zone) from the HD 7900 launch where an engineer at nVidia was shocked at the performance of AMD's new chip. nVidia had originally planned the GK104 to be a midrange successor like the G92 (the venerable 8800GT) and as such the original rumors for the GK104 pegged it in the GTX 660 territory. Afterward nVidia felt confident to call the full GK104 a GTX 680.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/17

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/3

AMD's GCN was designed to improve AMD's lacking compute performance up until that point.
 
There seem to be an awful lot of refurb models going on the Apple Online Store right now (UK). Coincidence or not? :confused:
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I believe this is a sign that a refresh is next month, think about it you won't want to sell your top of the range item unless you have another one better than it would you? so now am waiti for next month, if I don't see anything I'll buy a MacBook Pro anyway, does anyone know when the event date is?
 
Well, actually Windows has come a long long way since NT 4.0.

Really? :rolleyes:

Any reasonable person knows what Windows' strengths are. But if Mac OS and some Mac-only apps isn't a significant factor in deciding to get a MBP, what else is there besides sleek design?
 
nVidia and AMD swapped chairs in the current generation of video cards. The GK104 was designed for gaming and gave up a portion of its compute power for a much smaller die size than previous generations. I recall one article (Hexus or VR-Zone) from the HD 7900 launch where an engineer at nVidia was shocked at the performance of AMD's new chip. nVidia had originally planned the GK104 to be a midrange successor like the G92 (the venerable 8800GT) and as such the original rumors for the GK104 pegged it in the GTX 660 territory. Afterward nVidia felt confident to call the full GK104 a GTX 680.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/17

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-titan-part-2-titans-performance-unveiled/3

AMD's GCN was designed to improve AMD's lacking compute performance up until that point.

Thanks, the second link is quite informative! Never liked nVidia though (3dfx, sniff sniff, and I don't forgive or forget).

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Really? :rolleyes:

Any reasonable person knows what Windows' strengths are. But if Mac OS and some Mac-only apps isn't a significant factor in deciding to get a MBP, what else is there besides sleek design?

My main "apps" are LaTeX and R, no big difference between the OSes there. Still have a Windows machine (well, ehm, for Windows' strength, ehm, mainly gaming) and there are some apps for Win and some for OS X which I prefer.
However, if I couldn't do my work with one of the OSes I wouldn't blame the OS, I'd look somewhere else for the problem.
 
That would be one majestic display! Hopefully the Haswell rMBP's can drive it if it is released. It would cost a fortune. Just wish it wouldn't be glossy but that's probably asking too much.
Asus and others are now selling 3840x2160 31.5" displays for $3500. If I recall correctly, that was the original price of Apple's 30" 2560x1600 Cinema Display back in 2004.

Does the OS mean nothing to you? Even if there was a magical PC notebook that was half the price and twice as powerful as the rMBP, you'd still have.. Windows? :confused:
I'll do floors, I'll do sinks, I'll even do toilets, but I absolutely will not do Windows.
 
nice! is there a 13" version of this same design? who's the oem?
I honestly don't know for once. I was expecting Clevo/Sager but I haven't found another site that sells those thin 17" notebooks.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Xplorer_X3-9100_Gaming_Notebook

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-One-K33-3E-Clevo-W230ST-Barebones-Notebook.99914.0.html

This 13" Clevo W230ST doesn't shave much more weight. If you want something thinner you're going to drop to an Iris Pro and get rid of the dGPU.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Zeus_Hercules_Gaming_Notebook

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7182/90-minutes-with-the-clevo-w740su-featuring-iris-pro-hd-5200

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested
 
I wonder if they'll incorporate the iphone 5s touchid into macbook pros....

My guess is if they do it would be next year's refresh as I'm sure they want to allocate as many sensors as possible to the 5s this year.
 
Quad-core 13" a possibility with Haswell release?

Been watching this thread in anticipation of new rMBPs just like everyone else, however, I am wondering if you guys think its possible Apple will up the ante on the 13" Haswell with a quad-core processor?

Personally Id like the physically smaller 13, but have been holding off on getting an Air in hopes of a quad-core 13" rMBP but I hope I'm not wasting my time with an unreasonable expectation.

Thanks.
 
Does the OS mean nothing to you? Even if there was a magical PC notebook that was half the price and twice as powerful as the rMBP, you'd still have.. Windows? :confused:

That right there is the only thing that has held me back from a different laptop.
 
Been watching this thread in anticipation of new rMBPs just like everyone else, however, I am wondering if you guys think its possible Apple will up the ante on the 13" Haswell with a quad-core processor?

Personally Id like the physically smaller 13, but have been holding off on getting an Air in hopes of a quad-core 13" rMBP but I hope I'm not wasting my time with an unreasonable expectation.

Thanks.

I've read that its unlikely. Some say its due to thermal constraints, or just marketing design.
 
Does the OS mean nothing to you? Even if there was a magical PC notebook that was half the price and twice as powerful as the rMBP, you'd still have.. Windows? :confused:

Yeah I know right! I think we've made this point before:D

DDR4 won't be an improvement until we break into higher speeds. Just like DDR3 started off at 800-1066 MHz effective over DDR2.

The release of Macs does not in If you mean the last version of DDR3 and the first version of DDR4, then the performance difference between DDR3-2133 and DDR4-2133 will be exactly zero and they both run at 2133 MT/s.


It is far from certain, but I believe there is a good chance that Apple will release a 31.5" 3840x2160 Retina Thunderbolt Display at the same time as the new Mac Pro.


Thanks for the replies, you learn something new everyday. A retina Thunderbolt Display would be awesome, although not even close to a justifiable expense for me. :(

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I've read that its unlikely. Some say its due to thermal constraints, or just marketing design.

If not this year, hopefully in Broadwell.

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I wonder if they'll incorporate the iphone 5s touchid into macbook pros....

My guess is if they do it would be next year's refresh as I'm sure they want to allocate as many sensors as possible to the 5s this year.

Yeah perhaps next year across the Mac lineup, in order to be consistent, they'll introduce them with the touch ID, although they could just put them in the MacBook Pro and say it's a special pro feature. And perhaps make a thunderbolt touch ID sensor, which would due to Apple-imposed software restrictions only work with the Mac Pro.
 
Would buying a 15" rMBP with a 2.7Ghz processor and 512SSD/16GB ram be advisable if one really needs a laptop now and can't wait anymore?

Of course getting a deal on it, not buying from Apple.
 
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