Is the Haswell going to be that great? I remember waiting for the Ivy Bridge and wasn't too impressed.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Is the Haswell going to be that great? I remember waiting for the Ivy Bridge and wasn't too impressed.
It's not about Haswell itself, it's about the retina notebook being generation 2 product. I personally am returning the rMBP15 from this year. People will flame me, but it's just not a polished experience. Add the screen/ssd lottery and I have wasted more time and energy than I would care to admit on a premium product.
Instead of the experience of buying a luxury product I spent time dreading and fearing and reading up and what not, instead of just ordering it and enjoying it.
And I did see these issues, they're not just in my head either, trust me, it's REALLY hard to let the retina MBP go once you've used it, I just can't live with a premium product that's not refined.
See the Anandtech video on the rMBP15, he himself admits mid video that it's not upto snuff and there's lag and what not.
Just wait for Haswell.
And if anyone's planning on arguing with me about what I've mentioned, save it. This is my personal experience and I'm no mood for the same old rehashed flamewars.
Hope we do not have to wait until Feb 2014
Thunderbolt 2 was announced by Apple in June 2013 on the dev conference WWDC to be shipped in the next generation of Mac Pro.
But Intel stated TB2 will only start to ship before EOY 2013. I just hope Apple has a special deal with Intel on this.
I still want to believe in October Haswell rMBP release, but what if they are waiting to have it in MBP as well?
Thunderbolt 2 was announced by Apple in June 2013 on the dev conference WWDC to be shipped in the next generation of Mac Pro.
But Intel stated TB2 will only start to ship before EOY 2013. I just hope Apple has a special deal with Intel on this.
I still want to believe in October Haswell rMBP release, but what if they are waiting to have it in MBP as well?
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It's an inside NeXT joke. Steve publicly promised something would ship by the end of a particular quarter. Someone in engineering printed a calendar and posted it on the wall with about 100 days in the third month of the quarter. The last day was captioned "Last day of Qx". (I don't remember now which quarter.)
It's not about Haswell itself, it's about the retina notebook being generation 2 product. I personally am returning the rMBP15 from this year. People will flame me, but it's just not a polished experience. Add the screen/ssd lottery and I have wasted more time and energy than I would care to admit on a premium product.
Instead of the experience of buying a luxury product I spent time dreading and fearing and reading up and what not, instead of just ordering it and enjoying it.
And I did see these issues, they're not just in my head either, trust me, it's REALLY hard to let the retina MBP go once you've used it, I just can't live with a premium product that's not refined.
See the Anandtech video on the rMBP15, he himself admits mid video that it's not upto snuff and there's lag and what not.
Just wait for Haswell.
And if anyone's planning on arguing with me about what I've mentioned, save it. This is my personal experience and I'm no mood for the same old rehashed flamewars.
No flaming necessary. It's just so interesting that I'm having the exact opposite experience with my refurb 15" 2012 rMBP I purchased from Apple 3 months ago. And believe me, I had much trepidation about the reported image retention and lag issues.
Maybe because mine went through Apple's rebuilding process and painstaking testing, it has demonstrated neither of these problems.
Or maybe it's just luck of the draw........
It's not about Haswell itself, it's about the retina notebook being generation 2 product. I personally am returning the rMBP15 from this year. People will flame me, but it's just not a polished experience. Add the screen/ssd lottery and I have wasted more time and energy than I would care to admit on a premium product.
Instead of the experience of buying a luxury product I spent time dreading and fearing and reading up and what not, instead of just ordering it and enjoying it.
And I did see these issues, they're not just in my head either, trust me, it's REALLY hard to let the retina MBP go once you've used it, I just can't live with a premium product that's not refined.
See the Anandtech video on the rMBP15, he himself admits mid video that it's not upto snuff and there's lag and what not.
Just wait for Haswell.
And if anyone's planning on arguing with me about what I've mentioned, save it. This is my personal experience and I'm no mood for the same old rehashed flamewars.
I think I'm just going to wait, I just wasn't sure the money saving is more beneficial than the actual update. I mean, I was looking at grabbing a new Macbook retina for 1200 + tax.
Thats how I went about it. If you get lucky, then great! For me the savings were not worth the headache.
Lucky you!
Ok Apple please listen to me. Tonight new Dell Precision have bene released and ready for purchase. A new top gamma of powerful laptops. Despite the dimension are not the same of your rMBPs series, I'm really attempted to buy one of them, maybe Precision 4800, because I need work with it. Please don't let permit I go to buy that heavy (but powerful) laptop because I don't tolerate working Windows but as you can understand me I need to work. I hope you can understand me so please RELEASE new Haswell MBP within the end of October
I know its only speculation but this date would work very well for me as its my birthday and getting an rMBP is going to be my birthday present to myself. SWMBO has agreed to this so all is good.
I know its only speculation but this date would work very well for me as its my birthday and getting an rMBP is going to be my birthday present to myself. SWMBO has agreed to this so all is good.
You can wait until your birthday on October 25th to get your Haswell rMBP. We'll be getting ours earlier when Apple has already released them
I can't tell if it's because of the late hour here in Los Angeles but I am unable to understand a word of what's being said here.
It's hard to read, yes
But not everyone is native in English and the forum is quite international. My first foreign language was Latin, then I had to learn French and with 15/16 years I had my first English class. It was too late and quite hard to get on the same level as my international friends.
So if he's quite young and is on the same kind of school as I was, I can totally understand it.
To the topic:
I've just sent my Macbook Air 13' back, since I wasn't happy with the design, the fan noise and the missing optical out (sound)
So I have to wait...
I was just kidding, the whole comment was a joke.
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Are you getting an unlocked iPhone, or with a two year contract?
Didn't exactly shock me the keynote didn't mention any Macbook refreshes or Mavericks at all as it was all about iOS and the iPhone. Just need hang in there it will be here before we know it and they will most likely refresh the Macbook (we really do hope they will) when Mavericks has a release date!
I can't wait to buy the iPhone 5s unlocked from uk, sold my iphone 5 32gb for £500 about a month ago, just need over £150 more to get the 5s 32gb #, the trick is to know when to sell it, and never sell it when the announce a new model cuz now you can only get about £300 - £350 for one now, and apple is only offering £215 for one on their recycle program and £200 or iPhone 4S 32gb lol what a joke
Hello guys. I've followed that forum for a bit, but this is my first post.
That's what I thing on rMBP:
1) As far as I remind Apple used to slightly increase the HDD dimension every macbook refresh (years ago we went from 128 to 160 to 256 to 320 to 500gb in the base model). Given the SSD descending price it looks likely that in this or in future updates we will observe a similar trend. Even moving from 128 to 160 will make a big difference for me.
2) Minimum iGPU will be the HD5000 (as in macbook air, cannot be below that). There are no dual core Haswell i5 processors with Iris 5200 so the base model will have either an HD5000 or HD5100 (the second more likely). This is in anycase a big step forward from HD4000 and it's the main reason I'm waiting for Haswell rMBP (other that it's pointless to spend 1300+ € to buy a two years old generation processor now).
3) Maverik will have new notebooks. Maverik will come this fall, so also rMBP will come this fall. As soon as possible I hope, in any case I need it for December 1, so I'm ok although... the sooner the better
4) I went to a mac-store to have a look to different MB. I'm astonished for the incredibly low quality of MB Air screen, even compared with a standard cMBP screen. Of course retina is another planet but I expected at least a screen with the same quality of a cMBP in MBA. Higher resolution (1440x900 vs 1200x800) does not mean better display if this display is less contrasted, with a lower dynamic range, worst blacks and less vivid colours.
That's what I thing on rMBP:
1) As far as I remind Apple used to slightly increase the HDD dimension every macbook refresh (years ago we went from 128 to 160 to 256 to 320 to 500gb in the base model). Given the SSD descending price it looks likely that in this or in future updates we will observe a similar trend. Even moving from 128 to 160 will make a big difference for me.
2) Minimum iGPU will be the HD5000 (as in macbook air, cannot be below that). There are no dual core Haswell i5 processors with Iris 5200 so the base model will have either an HD5000 or HD5100 (the second more likely). This is in anycase a big step forward from HD4000 and it's the main reason I'm waiting for Haswell rMBP (other that it's pointless to spend 1300+ € to buy a two years old generation processor now).
3) Maverik will have new notebooks. Maverik will come this fall, so also rMBP will come this fall. As soon as possible I hope, in any case I need it for December 1, so I'm ok although... the sooner the better
4) I went to a mac-store to have a look to different MB. I'm astonished for the incredibly low quality of MB Air screen, even compared with a standard cMBP screen. Of course retina is another planet but I expected at least a screen with the same quality of a cMBP in MBA. Higher resolution (1440x900 vs 1200x800) does not mean better display if this display is less contrasted, with a lower dynamic range, worst blacks and less vivid colours.
We are basing a lot of our speculations on the Geekbench "leak".
But remember that this was done in June. That's quite a long time ago by now. And Apple is famous for not locking down their specs/starting production until very late before release.
The Mac Pro for example had several different geekbench tests with totally different setups.
So much can have changed in the time since the leaks.
How ever, I still believe that the rMBP will contain the Iris Pro since I really think this was more or less tailor made for the rMBP.
And people should have been able to figure it out that this was the case.
I wrote about this a 4000 posts back ^^.
And I think its still a reasonable line of thought:
The benefits of DDR4 is far from only a higher clock speed.
DDR4 gets one memory lane per module which makes them stack able for higher memory density per circuit. And DDR4 has a lot of optimizations for higher speeds with lower latency and timings.
Also DDR4 will grow in speed more and more and get lower and lower timings and latency, just like DDR3 did.
You sound just like those guys that gets all upset cos: "I liked that band before they where popular." And almost cant enjoy them any more cos now so many others do to.
But remember that this was done in June. That's quite a long time ago by now. And Apple is famous for not locking down their specs/starting production until very late before release.
The Mac Pro for example had several different geekbench tests with totally different setups.
So much can have changed in the time since the leaks.
How ever, I still believe that the rMBP will contain the Iris Pro since I really think this was more or less tailor made for the rMBP.
And people should have been able to figure it out that this was the case.
I wrote about this a 4000 posts back ^^.
And I think its still a reasonable line of thought:
The benefits of DDR4 is far from only a higher clock speed.
DDR4 gets one memory lane per module which makes them stack able for higher memory density per circuit. And DDR4 has a lot of optimizations for higher speeds with lower latency and timings.
Also DDR4 will grow in speed more and more and get lower and lower timings and latency, just like DDR3 did.
It will, but it will surely be bigger improvements over time.
You sound just like those guys that gets all upset cos: "I liked that band before they where popular." And almost cant enjoy them any more cos now so many others do to.
Hey,
I followed the forum and especially this thread a long time... And as a conclusion of impressions in this thread and the behaviour of apple in case of the (r)mbp I guess we see a moving company which are moved from an "innovation" company to an "normal" business driven company.
75% of revenue comes from iOS devices... Its simple to understand that this more lifestyle oriented products are more important for this "new" business driven company than a market which decrease since years.
back to topic...
With this delay of approx. 4 months between the mba and the (r)mbp I think Apple will redesign or strongly improve the (r)mbp a second time since last years rmbp release. A simple change of the cpu and thus an upgraded igpu will be more than incomprehensible and hard to explain...
I followed the forum and especially this thread a long time... And as a conclusion of impressions in this thread and the behaviour of apple in case of the (r)mbp I guess we see a moving company which are moved from an "innovation" company to an "normal" business driven company.
75% of revenue comes from iOS devices... Its simple to understand that this more lifestyle oriented products are more important for this "new" business driven company than a market which decrease since years.
back to topic...
With this delay of approx. 4 months between the mba and the (r)mbp I think Apple will redesign or strongly improve the (r)mbp a second time since last years rmbp release. A simple change of the cpu and thus an upgraded igpu will be more than incomprehensible and hard to explain...
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