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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Whenever the topic of touch and the Mac comes up that's when I hope Apple makes a 13" iPad. It would satisfy a lot of people who want touch Macs, which I think is a terrible idea for all the reasons stated above.
Some people cringe at the idea of a 13-inch iPad, but I think it could be extremely useful for a particular market. Much like how the 128GB iPad is. Any larger than 13 is crazy, though.
All of the counter-arguments I hear are emotional in nature. "I don't want it," or "I won't use it," or "It'll make my screen dirty." Uh, okay, don't use it then, right?
Only MS is dumb enough to try to force people to use touch. It's going to be a secondary input method available if and when you want it, and out of your way when you don't.
I'm confident in this simply because there is no downside. Costs and thickness increases are negligible, and only going to get better over time. Tell the iPhone 5 it's too thick because of its touch circuitry, or the $250 (to manufacture) iPad that touch is making it too expensive. They'll get even thinner and cheaper because the vast majority of the good quality displays made these days are already touch screens.
OS X is ready today, assuming you don't expect touch to be good at everything the OS does. I expect Apple to wait until they have more robust solutions anyway (and what those solutions are is an extremely interesting discussion on its own, but that would totally derail the thread).
Only MS is dumb enough to try to force people to use touch. It's going to be a secondary input method available if and when you want it, and out of your way when you don't.
I'm confident in this simply because there is no downside. Costs and thickness increases are negligible, and only going to get better over time. Tell the iPhone 5 it's too thick because of its touch circuitry, or the $250 (to manufacture) iPad that touch is making it too expensive. They'll get even thinner and cheaper because the vast majority of the good quality displays made these days are already touch screens.
OS X is ready today, assuming you don't expect touch to be good at everything the OS does. I expect Apple to wait until they have more robust solutions anyway (and what those solutions are is an extremely interesting discussion on its own, but that would totally derail the thread).
Now imagine that you give a lecture and that you want to illustrate something. So far I had to use a second projector (if available) or a whiteboard (if available) or even print the slides.
On the graphics front, did you try selecting/masking areas with the mouse or even some drawing? That's what an active digitizer is good for.
By the way, "scientific" workplace should be replaced with the original LaTeX; as for Stata (Economics, isn't it?) I would dump that one, too.
I have a hard time imagining a design team using that as any kind of rationale to do anything significant.
Well we all know companies love their profits. Most products Apple have are designed for selling to mass markets (maybe besides the Mac Pro). A 13" iPad would be a very niche product and only useful for a certain market.
Much less niche than you think -- I suspect there is a substantial market for a 13" iPad.
The size of the current iPad is one of the reasons I don't own one (my wife does). I want/appreciate display real estate, and a 13" would be perfect for carrying around in my briefcase without the bulk/weight of a 13" laptop. As a content-consumption device, 13" would be ideal for my (and I believe a lot of others') needs.
Really? You really think you understand the risks of man-in-the-middle attacks for your proposed fingerprint authentication? Show us.
What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
BTW: you understand the terrible risks with Disney's fingerprint validation system, right? Search for "knuckle" in that Security Now! transcript.
Your "proposal" is waaaaay too half-baked for anyone to comment on it. If you want specific feedback, you need to make a specific proposal. If you're talking about containing the entire validation mechanism inside of the keyboard, an obvious problem is that you have introduced a completely separate computation device into the system -- something that would have to have its own processor, display, UI, etc. But your two-sentence description is really way too vague to even comment on.
Bingo. Having the shortest possible path between the Touch ID scanner and the validation circuitry is the best possible way to ensure that the validation process is atomic.
Before we can continue this discussion, you really need to demonstrate you understand the risks in what you're proposing: What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
I can't tell at this point if you have fundamental literacy in what the risks are...
Bingo again. That supports my argument why the Mac Pro would be a good first Mac to implement such things.
If MitM attacks cannot be thwarted, then convenience of your [vague] proposal is irrelevant.
...but we can't even tell at this point if you understand the risks your ideas add. You need to address my "top 10 risks" question.
If you search on USB keyboard with fingerprint scanner or or Bluetooth keyboard with fingerprint scanner, you'll find plenty of people who have provided PC scanners that are that is within arm's length.
BTW: on the iPhone 5S, users are free to not use the Touch ID scanner. Any solution Apple provides on Macs would obviously provide the same fluidity for validation.
Whoever said it was the same situation?
You told us:My point: someone will always ridicule AAPL for each and every one of its decisions -- especially product changes where the paradigm is altered. Your "seriously ridiculed" comment was purely specious in this discussion, and it would be purely specious in any discussion about Apple's product choices. Your prediction that the general public would "ridicule" a validation subsystem that provided robust reliable service is pure speculation. AFAICT, we've never ever seen a validation system that actually worked well on any consumer products; any such speculation would be decidedly premature.
We have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
Once a purchasing ecosystem is in place, why to you presume that one would need validation more or less frequently on Mac computers than on iOS devices?
Remember: you need to persuade us you are literate about the risks of MitM attacks. What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
Sorry to jump in, but I think the argument on this point was that an iPhone is constantly being used and put away several times an hour, whereas this happens much less frequently with a laptop or desktop. The latter are more typically in use less frequently, but for longer periods of time. In other words, the comment was less about the purchasing ecosystem and more about the simple act of locking/unlocking the device.
Ultimately, I'm inclined to agree with you: with Touch ID technology in place and working smoothly, it's not hard to, in movie trailer parlance, "imagine a world" in which a fingerprint sensor is built in to virtually every security-reliant electronic device. Seems like a logical progression, like it or not.
1) is obviously correct. 2), 3), and 4) are not even plausible. TB2 and Mavericks are (barely) plausible, but very unlikely reasons why the Haswell MBPs are not yet shipping. It's the CPUs.
Oh there will be, eventually. You can bank on it. What will make it useful is if you can sign documents on it. I know there's apps that sign docs for you, or you can print it, sign it, scan it back into your computer, but it's a hassle. I just want to be able to sign on the screen and be done with it.
Likely related to the iPhone 5S -- order-taking starts at midnight (U.S. Pacific time) tonight.Apple Store Down for me (UK) - New Products?
You wrong. Apple didn't say iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C will be available in Italy in December. Instead Apply said 100 countries will have iPhone 5S & 5S within December. Italy probably could receive iPhone even in October, November or in the end December. So let's wait for...
I've never understood why anyone would want a touchscreen in their computer. It strains the forearms, wrists, and shoulders. You can develop arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome. I've read up a bit about this
I've never understood why anyone would want a touchscreen in their computer. It strains the forearms, wrists, and shoulders. You can develop arthritis and carpal tunnel syndrome. I've read up a bit about this
I also think it's among the stupider gimmicks around these days, and very "un-Apple" in the way that it forces a user to reach across a keyboard at an awkward angle to use it.
In my opinion we're much more likely to see iPads become powerful enough to rival/replace laptops altogether (i.e. in a few years) than we are to see an MBP morph into a sort of hybrid iPad.
Store back up for me - nothing new, although I've just noticed shipping times for the entire MBP range have slipped from 'within 24 hours' to '1-2 business days' - hopefully this indicates something is coming soon!
Store back up for me - nothing new, although I've just noticed shipping times for the entire MBP range have slipped from 'within 24 hours' to '1-2 business days' - hopefully this indicates something is coming soon!
Well, it does literally indicate that MBPs are coming--up to one day later than before.
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Store back up for me - nothing new, although I've just noticed shipping times for the entire MBP range have slipped from 'within 24 hours' to '1-2 business days' - hopefully this indicates something is coming soon!
So are the Airs too...
Store back up for me - nothing new, although I've just noticed shipping times for the entire MBP range have slipped from 'within 24 hours' to '1-2 business days' - hopefully this indicates something is coming soon!
The Airs have also slip to 1-2 business days
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