Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

[Autrement]

No. We have cMBP, uMBP and rMBP. The uMBP is the unibody. cMBP is the classic pre-unibody design.

I'm sure that almost everyone in this forum uses cMBP to mean Unibody, which is now the "Classic" model to the rMBP. Kind of like how "Classic Rock" used to be one thing ('60s and '70s) and now we basically hear '80s crap like Styx and Journey and Def Leppard. Classic is a designation that changes.

Nobody even thinks or cares about the pre-Unibody generation enough anymore to give it an abbreviation.

 

[AaronM5670]

uMBP is too confusing for the casual consumer posters. The rMBP is still a unibody. cMBP and rMBP are still currently in production. Personally I call my mid-2009 just MBP since it was the only current design at the time.

There should probably be a guide somewhere that goes over our abbreviations and lingo. Not every newbie can pick up context.

Good idea. Although I'm relatively new, a guide would be really useful even though I picked up most of the stuff relatively easily.

 

[mcarling]

How likely is an October 1 silent release?

While if we go to Oct 8, either we have a release either we will know the date of the next apple event (with, let's hope, rMBP).

Ah... Just imagine how funny it will be if Apple silently updates mac mini next tuesday...

I think there is a good chance that either the rMBP or the Mac mini or both could be released October 1.

 

[GSPice]

I think there is a good chance that either the rMBP or the Mac mini or both could be released October 1.

Which means silent.

 

[PDFierro]

Which means silent.

Is that a bad thing? I'm all for it coming out ASAP, whether that be silent or at the event. But I somehow think Apple will want to detail it at the event.

 

[zOlid]

I would think retooling factories to make yet another unibody chassis would be cost prohibitive. Especially for a dwindling laptop market.

Retooling?
No not really its not like the MBP body's gets pressed. And they will mos likely have some redesign inside for screw holes and such.
They are machined so there is nothing to "retool" in the unibody production line.


(And with this im not saying we will see a new design. Im just saying that its not like apple would have to invest in new hardware to make a different design.)

I suppose there's a possibility that Apple may do a 30-second MBP thing at an event, if they only intended to do a silent refresh? I hope that its bigger than a silent refresh though.

We all do :/

 

[KUguardgrl13]

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/09/25/apple-announces-schedule-for-ios-7-tech-talks-tour-in-u-s-asia-and-europe/

Think this will have any affect on the October event we're hoping for?

Sorry it's not a clickable URL, I'm on my iPhone.

 

[Krazy Bill]

I hope that its bigger than a silent refresh though.

The MacBook Pro. It gets no luvin'.

But I predict Schiller will have another, "can't innovate anymore my ass" moment. He'll announce that Cupertino is once again in the race to dominate the high-end computing arena. A Mac Pro on every desk! MacBooks in every pack! A Newton in every pocket! (A very large pocket with reinforced stitching.).

"Follow us into tomorrow!" he'll say. "The Mac revolution begins anew!"

Oh... and there will be some iPads there.

 

[GSPice]

Is that a bad thing?

If you're looking forward to more in the MBP than what was updated in the iMacs yesterday, then yes.

Although, I have to admit, I'd be happy if it just put the whole iGPU/dGPU speculation to rest.

 

[PDFierro]

If you're looking forward to more in the MBP than what was updated in the iMacs yesterday, then yes.

Although, I have to admit, I'd be happy if it just put the whole iGPU/dGPU speculation to rest.

It does make the iMac update seem not important. But given what we are expecting in the new rMBP, I think the Haswell rMBP is a big update.

 

[mrmanucadiz]

If you change "couple of weeks" to "three to four weeks," then Yes!

you seem so sure as same as lot of people i read since the silent update of imac

muy doubt is.....from where it's coming all these security about the release of rMBP in october?

i dont see scenario could change since the last update and probabilities are same as before, i think

 

[GSPice]

The MacBook Pro. It gets no luvin'.

But I predict Schiller will have another, "can't innovate anymore my ass" moment. He'll announce that Cupertino is once again in the race to dominate the high-end computing arena. A Mac Pro on every desk! MacBooks in every pack! A Newton in every pocket! (A very large pocket with reinforced stitching.).

"Follow us into tomorrow!" he'll say. "The Mac revolution begins anew!"

Oh... and there will be some iPads there.

Phil Schiller is my Santa Claus.

 

[PDFierro]

you seem so sure as same as lot of people i read since the silent update of imac

muy doubt is.....from where it's coming all these security about the release of rMBP in october?

i dont see scenario could change since the last update and probabilities are same as before, i think

Because it's the latest possible date that we were expecting. Mavericks will be out in October, Apple is holding the iPad/Mac event in October, and Apple won't release a new product in November or December.

It could just have easily been June/July/September, but that didn't happen and now we are only left with 1 possibility.

 

[GSPice]

you seem so sure as same as lot of people i read since the silent update of imac

muy doubt is.....from where it's coming all these security about the release of rMBP in october?

i dont see scenario could change since the last update and probabilities are same as before, i think

Because Apple announced a new rMBP at last year's event in October. And because Apple is releasing the Mac Pro in October, or "Fall."

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But given what we are expecting in the new rMBP, I think the Haswell rMBP is a big update.

How do you mean?

 

[PDFierro]

Because Apple announced a new rMBP at last year's event in October. And because Apple is releasing the Mac Pro in October, or "Fall."

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How do you mean?

Well some people look at it as a small update, but I respectfully disagree. I would have bought the current rMBP back in May if I thought it wasn't going to be a big improvement.

 

[siyer]

The delay which would most likely will lead to the MBPr being released at an event could be a rationalized by one or more of following reasons [in my opinion]:

1. A big change, in Apple's mind, which requires an event to show it off [one or more of the following]:
- IGZO with higher pixel density [most likely]
- CPU Increase Power
- GPU Increase Power
- USB Next Standard [as quick as ThunderBolt 1] and Thunderbolt 2
- Finger Print Sensor [least likely]

2. Delays due to lack of production

3. Waiting for new components to be released [one or more of the following]:
- GPU
- CPU
- Screen

 

[The Leafs Fan]

The delay which would most likely will lead to the MBPr being released at an event could be a rationalized by one or more of following reasons [in my opinion]:

1. A big change, in Apple's mind, which requires an event to show it off [one or more of the following]:
- IGZO with higher pixel density [most likely]
- CPU Increase Power
- GPU Increase Power
- USB Next Standard [as quick as ThunderBolt 1] and Thunderbolt 2
- Finger Print Sensor [least likely]

2. Delays due to lack of production

3. Waiting for new components to be released [one or more of the following]:
- GPU
- CPU
- Screen

I wouldn't keep your hopes up on a higher pixel density for the rmbp. Apple just introduced a new screen resolution for their mbps. I don't believe Apple would change it now again.

I forgot to put the link for the 21.5 inch iMac, http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+EMC+2639+Teardown/17828/1

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The MacBook Pro. It gets no luvin'.

But I predict Schiller will have another, "can't innovate anymore my ass" moment. He'll announce that Cupertino is once again in the race to dominate the high-end computing arena. A Mac Pro on every desk! MacBooks in every pack! A Newton in every pocket! (A very large pocket with reinforced stitching.).

"Follow us into tomorrow!" he'll say. "The Mac revolution begins anew!"

Oh... and there will be some iPads there.

That would be pretty awesome.

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Well some people look at it as a small update, but I respectfully disagree. I would have bought the current rMBP back in May if I thought it wasn't going to be a big improvement.

I think it's a pretty large improvement for the 13-inch rmbp, and less so for the 15-inch.

 

[OneCharmingQuar]

The delay which would most likely will lead to the MBPr being released at an event could be a rationalized by one or more of following reasons [in my opinion]:

1. A big change, in Apple's mind, which requires an event to show it off [one or more of the following]:
- IGZO with higher pixel density [most likely]
- CPU Increase Power
- GPU Increase Power
- USB Next Standard [as quick as ThunderBolt 1] and Thunderbolt 2
- Finger Print Sensor [least likely]

2. Delays due to lack of production

3. Waiting for new components to be released [one or more of the following]:
- GPU
- CPU
- Screen

I don't think that a higher resolution display is very likely. IGZO is possible, but I don't think it's very likely either. Apple still has most of their laptop models on TN, so they don't seem to be the quickest to adopt new screen technologies.

The change I'm hoping for the most is a user serviceable battery. Sadly, I think that the odds for that are infinitesimal. It's looking like the high-dpi Dells are the best bet for me at the moment. I'm just not certain the M3800 will have the build quality of the rMBP. Apple might pulls something great out of a hat, but I'm having trouble imagining what it could be.

 

[Wuiffi]

- IGZO with higher pixel density [most likely]

I guess everyone would love to have one of those (1680x1050 HiDPI), but with all the problems (IR/Ghosting) the first generation retinaMacbook Pro had I guess Apple is happy if their displays "just work" now and won't risk updating (and introducing a new technology) this year!

 

[Freyqq]

Is that a bad thing? I'm all for it coming out ASAP, whether that be silent or at the event. But I somehow think Apple will want to detail it at the event.

Why? Unless if it has TB2, all the tech in the rMBP has been done before on other models.

 

[mcarling]

It does make the iMac update seem not important. But given what we are expecting in the new rMBP, I think the Haswell rMBP is a big update.

I suppose "big" is relative. I expect the Haswell update to be bigger than the February 2013 update. I would be surprised if the Haswell MBP update is in any way more significant than a typical annual update -- with the solitary probable exception of dropping the cMBP. We just had a major MBP update last year with the introduction of the Retina models. I cannot remember Apple ever launching a major update to any line of Macs two years in a row.

I expect:
- Haswell CPUs (with Iris 5100 in the 13" and Iris Pro 5200 in the 15" models)
- 802.11ac Wifi
- 1080p FaceTime camera
- PCIe SSD

Some other improvements are possible but seem unlikely:
- Thunderbolt 2
- USB 3.1
- different display (maybe IGZO)
- different form factor (possibly a 17" model)

 

[OneCharmingQuar]

I guess everyone would love to have one of those (1680x1050 HiDPI), but with all the problems (IR/Ghosting) the first generation retinaMacbook Pro had I guess Apple is happy if their displays "just work" now and won't risk updating (and introducing a new technology) this year!

With an IGZO display there would be a completely different manufacturing process. I don't think that those particular problems have any chance of reappearing if Apple goes that route. They might get different problems, but so far there have been no negative reports from people who have seen the Dell M4800 IGZO.

On a different topic. If Apple releases a Macbook Pro with a fingerprint reader it might be the first laptop to actually have one that works reliably. I don't think that it's very likely, however.

 

[PDFierro]

I suppose "big" is relative. I expect the Haswell update to be bigger than the February 2013 update. I would be surprised if the Haswell MBP update is in any way more significant than a typical annual update -- with the solitary probably exception of dropping the cMBP. We just had a major MBP update last year with the introduction of the Retina models. I expect:
- Haswell CPUs (with Iris 5100 in the 13" and Iris Pro 5200 in the 15" models)
- 802.11ac Wifi
- 1080p FaceTime camera
- PCIe SSD

Some other improvements are possible but seem unlikely:
- Thunderbolt 2
- USB 3.1
- different display (maybe IGZO)
- different form factor (possibly a 17" model)

It is all relative. Sure, it's not going to be as "big" as the Retina MBP introduction, but there is a reason this thread is over 8,000 posts.

I view it as a big update, otherwise I would have purchased 5 months ago. Maybe not big in the way that you mentioned, but worthwhile none-the-less.

 

[GSPice]

there is a reason this thread is over 8,000 posts.

I don't even remember how Haswell is better than Ivy Bridge anymore.

 

[Quu]

I'm sure that almost everyone in this forum uses cMBP to mean Unibody, which is now the "Classic" model to the rMBP. Kind of like how "Classic Rock" used to be one thing ('60s and '70s) and now we basically hear '80s crap like Styx and Journey and Def Leppard. Classic is a designation that changes.

Nobody even thinks or cares about the pre-Unibody generation enough anymore to give it an abbreviation.

I think cMBP should still apply to the Classic MacBook Pro / Powerbook G4 design. uMBP and rMBP are great monikers which stick well.

Yes I know that the Retina MacBook Pro is using the Unibody design but it isn't its defining feature, the Retina Display is. I'm going to continue calling the Pre-Retina MacBook Pro's with Unibody enclosures uMBP and anyone who wants to join me is free to do so