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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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There are three reasons (from most to least significant):
- Differences in taxation
- Differences in the cost of the regulatory burden
- A margin to cover fluctuations in currency exchange rates
I don't see any correlation between Apple prices and wealth by country. Apple products are expensive in India because of the heavy regulatory burden (and a lesser extent because of the instability of the rupee). If your theory were correct, Apple products would be less expensive in India.
I didn't say it was related to wealth by country just what the market was willing to pay. In the UK a new base iMac is £1149 ($1838), in the US its £812 ($1299) and in Hong Kong its £796 (HK$9888, $1275). There may be sales tax to add to the US price but i believe that at most that will only be 9% depending on state/city which is still less than the UK. I have no idea on India prices but the UK isn't more wealthy than the US or Hong Kong but appears to pay higher prices than both.
But we are willing to pay it so Apple can carry on charging a bit of a premium.
so maybe in 15" rMBP will have in base line a Iris Pro but we will get for sure adGPU like 750M with at least 1g vRAM..since the heat of the 750M is lower than 650M...and lets get real the 750M/755M is like 30% better than Iris Pro.
So for those who want OpenCl will take Iris pro for the others 750M..i think it is nice
So for those who want OpenCl will take Iris pro for the others 750M..i think it is nice
Sorry but that's dead wrong (despite being logical). Mac market share in the UK is lower than in the US, so UK consumers are evidently less willing to pay Apple's prices. The reasons why Apple prices are higher in the UK than in the US are the three I gave before.
Prices are lower in HK because taxes and the regulatory burden are lower than in the US, which more than makes up for an extra margin to cover currency exchange rate fluctuations.
100% agreed mcarling.
It has nothing to do with demand, and everything to do with the reasons you mentioned. It's frustrating when people talk as if they're basing their comments on fact, when it's merely unsupported speculation.
Can you explain, then, why iPhone prices in Australia are (seemingly) inflated while Mac prices are not? Are the taxes etc. a bigger issue for phones than computers? I assumed that Apple tries to lower Mac prices as much as they can to gain market share, but are happy with their iPhone market share here.
iPhone 5C 16GB: US$549, AU$739 = +35%
13" rMBP 256GB: US$1699, AU$1849 = +9%
If the 15" has an optional dgpu, will the igpu-only 15" have a different case as opposed to the dgpu included version?
Losing the dgpu would save quite a lot of room. In the past macbooks in using the same case have had the same components inside (upgraded or not), so using the same case for the igpu and dgpu versions would break this trend.
Losing the dgpu would save quite a lot of room. In the past macbooks in using the same case have had the same components inside (upgraded or not), so using the same case for the igpu and dgpu versions would break this trend.
Really? You really think you understand the risks of man-in-the-middle attacks for your proposed fingerprint authentication? Show us.
What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
BTW: you understand the terrible risks with Disney's fingerprint validation system, right? Search for "knuckle" in that Security Now! transcript.
Your "proposal" is waaaaay too half-baked for anyone to comment on it. If you want specific feedback, you need to make a specific proposal. If you're talking about containing the entire validation mechanism inside of the keyboard, an obvious problem is that you have introduced a completely separate computation device into the system -- something that would have to have its own processor, display, UI, etc. But your two-sentence description is really way too vague to even comment on.
Bingo. Having the shortest possible path between the Touch ID scanner and the validation circuitry is the best possible way to ensure that the validation process is atomic.
Before we can continue this discussion, you really need to demonstrate you understand the risks in what you're proposing: What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
I can't tell at this point if you have fundamental literacy in what the risks are...
Bingo again. That supports my argument why the Mac Pro would be a good first Mac to implement such things.
If MitM attacks cannot be thwarted, then convenience of your [vague] proposal is irrelevant.
...but we can't even tell at this point if you understand the risks your ideas add. You need to address my "top 10 risks" question.
If you search on USB keyboard with fingerprint scanner or or Bluetooth keyboard with fingerprint scanner, you'll find plenty of people who have provided PC scanners that are that is within arm's length.
BTW: on the iPhone 5S, users are free to not use the Touch ID scanner. Any solution Apple provides on Macs would obviously provide the same fluidity for validation.
Whoever said it was the same situation?You told us:
My point: someone will always ridicule AAPL for each and every one of its decisions -- especially product changes where the paradigm is altered. Your "seriously ridiculed" comment was purely specious in this discussion, and it would be purely specious in any discussion about Apple's product choices. Your prediction that the general public would "ridicule" a validation subsystem that provided robust reliable service is pure speculation. AFAICT, we've never ever seen a validation system that actually worked well on any consumer products; any such speculation would be decidedly premature.
We have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
Once a purchasing ecosystem is in place, why to you presume that one would need validation more or less frequently on Mac computers than on iOS devices?
Remember: you need to persuade us you are literate about the risks of MitM attacks. What, IYHO, are the top 10 risks in putting the Touch ID sensor for the Mac Pro in the keyboard?
Sigh....
I'm seriously not going to sit here and count up different ways you can do man in the middle attacks. Do i know 10 different ways? Probably not.
I could google it and get a deeper knowledge about it. But i see no point in doing that.
But that really is beside the point. Cos the number of ways you can execute a MITM attack has nothing to do with the discussion. They all have the same outcome, and that is the attacker getting hold of the encrypted data sent between the keyboard and the computer.
What you dont seem to understand is that what your proposing would go against all what apple works for.
Things like convenience, design and usability.
What makes Apples products great is not always a revolutionizing idea.
But a new and much better way to execute an idea. Making it user friendly, convenient and easy to use.
And your example of having a fingerprint scanner don't follow those "rules".
I'm all for a fingerprint scanner on the Macbook lines and all the stationary computers also for that matter. But having the scanner attached to the chassis of the stationary computers is just not convenient.
Yes that is exactly what i'm saying.
A separate computation device is not a huge deal to make.
We can take the lightning video adapter for and example. It contains a ARM CPU and 2gb ram in the connector. And that is pretty impressive.
What i'm saying is that letting the Keyboard have a small cpu and os just for taking care of fingerprint data would not be a huge deal.
I'm not saying it would be safer then just using a keyboard with a normal password. But it would be just as safe. And lets be honest the touch id is not a super safe reader. If you are being that targeted, it would not be hard to get your fingerprint and use it to get access.
What its about is convenience and making sure people use any kind of password protection on their devices. If people where to lazy to type in 4 numbers to open their iPhone. Do you really think they would use an inconveniently positioned reader located on the chassis of their computer?
It's quiet amusing, that all these positive predictions about the 5200 Pro are not supported by the lasted iMac release. There are no benchmarks or OpenCL performance charts on the website, just one sentence "discrete-level performance in the 2.7GHz iMac with integrated Intel Iris Pro graphics". The iMac with Iris is not thinner, nor cooler. It's just cheaper.
And I don't see a reason, why Apple should change this pattern for the rMBP. Entry model could have a Iris Pro, the highend models a 750m or better with 1 or 2 gb RAM. The dGPU option doesn't need a redesigned chassis, helps product differentiation and is a simple way to get people into spending more money for a (low cost) hardware part.
I still like to know what this article http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/24/intel-deliver-apple/ says about iGPUs/dGPUs in a rMBP. I bet Intel failed. Low supply, low performance or both.
And I don't see a reason, why Apple should change this pattern for the rMBP. Entry model could have a Iris Pro, the highend models a 750m or better with 1 or 2 gb RAM. The dGPU option doesn't need a redesigned chassis, helps product differentiation and is a simple way to get people into spending more money for a (low cost) hardware part.
I still like to know what this article http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/24/intel-deliver-apple/ says about iGPUs/dGPUs in a rMBP. I bet Intel failed. Low supply, low performance or both.
This is incorrect to my understanding. Check out this article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22868787
iFixit has posted a 27-inch iMac tear down:http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+EMC+2639+Teardown/17828/1
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