theres no end in the waiting game, God knows what apple is thinking right now....so just get it when you need it.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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theres no end in the waiting game, God knows what apple is thinking right now....so just get it when you need it.
System76 will ship their "Galago Ultrapro" laptop with Iris Pro graphics (HQ CPU) in mid/late July. So I could see Apple updating rMBP in the end of July.
https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1
https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1
The problem with that is that the quad core i7 with Iris Pro is not any cheaper than a quad core i7 with HD4600 plus a 750M, at least according to Anandtech.
If Apple goes to the Iris Pro I don't think it will be to create a lower priced model. They may be able to lower the price some indirectly but I don't think that will be significant.
The main reason to go with Iris Pro over a dedicated GPU for Apple would be that it would create a better user experience for most users as far as heat and battery life are concerned.
Right now for the non-techy 15" MBP user, battery life and temperature can fluctuate drastically based on whether or not a particular app triggers the dedicated graphics. Without the use of a third party app like gfxcardstatus it isn't really clear what is going on behind the scenes.
Using Iris Pro would take the whole complexity of automatic graphics switching out of the system and create an experience that's more predictable for most users.
Sir, we think alike.
I expect something like this too.
Apple wouldn't be that stupid and fit in HD 4600 in their rMBP especially the 13.
To increase battery life for the rMBP 13 and match MBA 13, Apple will most likely use 28W ULV processors with Iris 5100. Making the 13rMBP thinner would be stupid for Apple to do. They can use the current space to increase the battery like they did with the 2013 MBA.
As for the rMBP 15, I expect them to use H series exclusively while still having the dedicated GPU as a backup or their entry model could lack it exclusively.
If you look at it the tray price of 3317U is $225 which is in the base 2012 MBA and the i5 4250U is $342 which is the base for 2013 MBA. It is $117 significantly more expensive yet Apple is able to maintain the price of the 2013 MBA and doubled the storage of 11".
The thing about H series being the more expensive CPU's isn't an equation here. Alienating their pro customers is the last thing they would want to do. Just look at the Mac Pro.
Even better, they didn't just maintain it, they dropped it $100.
With respect to what I said above, cost looks like it may be a non-issue.
Anyone think that the top of the line Haswell 15" rMBP will/might come with a BTO option of 32GB of RAM? Or will that have to wait until 2014?
we still don't have any 2x16GB SODIMM sticks .... so i don't think so
besides, if Apple offers 32GB they should make the 16GB as the default
we still don't have any 2x16GB SODIMM sticks .... so i don't think so
besides, if Apple offers 32GB they should make the 16GB as the default
The rMBP doesn't use standard RAM sticks. Like they don't use a standard SSD. It's a custom board Apples makes. So in theory they could make a 32GB version.
If they used standard SODIMM sticks, they could be replacable, but in rMBP the RAM chips are soldered on.
See this:
The cyan square is around the custom RAM.
exactly and thats the whole point of discussion if there are 16gb sticks available, simply put density is needed there
Apple uses 2GB Hynix DDR3L chips in the 8GB version.
The 16GB uses 4GB chips.
And based on Hynix's website, they also have 8GB chips, which would make for 32GB.
I'm not a technician, so I don't know if this is correct.
However, with a smaller SSD like in the Air and internal rearrangements it should be possible.
The rMBP doesn't use standard RAM sticks. Like they don't use a standard SSD. It's a custom board Apples makes. So in theory they could make a 32GB version.
If they used standard SODIMM sticks, they could be replacable, but in rMBP the RAM chips are soldered on.
See this:
The cyan square is around the custom RAM.
sorry, i need to clarify this.
what i mean is that, RAMs on apple laptops usually follows the availability of conventional SODIMMS.
if we still don't have any SODIMMs that have a 2x16GB running on dual channel i don't think we will see any integrated 32GB on rMBP soon.
besides 32GB would be prohibitively expensive, just like 16GB was introduced onto the market.
if apple were to give 32GB as an upgrade option that would cost around $500 more, according to "apple price".
currently the rMBP 16GB upgrade is at around $200.
Sound a little promising. A rMBP with 32GB of RAM would at least be some sort of alternative to a new Mac Pro. It could independently drive two displays and doesn't have all that extra expensive graphics horsepower that not everyone needs.
not really. cost is an issue, production feasibility is another.
we have for some years now 64gb nand modules, but only last year we saw it in use, and only this year it was really used, same thing goes for 128gb nand that is giving crucial severe production constraints
and can you please link me to where it says in the hynix page those 4gb banks?
How does this processor sound for the base 13" MacBook Pro?
Intel i5 4258U at 2.4Ghz
I realise its 28W, but there are only 2 processors listed at 35W; both of which have HD4600 graphics, which I can't see Apple using. Besides that with Haswell, there are increases in processing power and efficiency, therefore the TDP can be reduced whilst maintaining the processing power of 3rd generation 35W chips.
Intel i5 4258U at 2.4Ghz
I realise its 28W, but there are only 2 processors listed at 35W; both of which have HD4600 graphics, which I can't see Apple using. Besides that with Haswell, there are increases in processing power and efficiency, therefore the TDP can be reduced whilst maintaining the processing power of 3rd generation 35W chips.
Yep, I think that the 28W CPUs are what we will see in the 13" rMBP.
There are three of them (not counting an i3 version which I doubt Apple would use):
2.4Ghz i5
2.6Ghz i5
2.8Ghz i7
Which would work perfectly with the current model lineup. No way Apple goes with anything with HD4600 graphics for the 13" after they put the HD5000 into the Air.
Going from 35W to 28W, plus the possibility of switching to lower power consumption retina displays (IGZO) could result in some decent battery life increases. The 13" Air gets 12 hours out of a 54Wh battery. The 13" rMBP right now has a 74Wh battery. I'm sure Apple would love to announce 10+ hour battery life on this machine as well.
I have been looking at the Intel Website for the 4th generation processors and a lot of them are available now. What types of processor do you think they would more than likely use in the 15" rMBP?
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Quad i7 with 5200 for one model (maybe) and 2.2GHz. Quad i7 with 4600/5000 with 750M at 2.5/2.6GHz and for the high end, 2.7.
Contrary to my previous prediction, I think the 2012 cMBP's are probably the last including the 13". No use keeping it. 13" MBA has a higher res screen, 7-8x faster storage & yet while remaining thinner. The 13" rMBP will probably see another price drop together with the 15" rMBP.
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I don't think so.
Base: 4750HQ + HD5200
Better: 4850HQ + HD5200 + GT 750M/GTX 760M
Best: 4950HQ + HD5200 + GT 750M/GTX 760M
HD4600 no longer makes sense in Apple's lineup. MBA has a HD 5000.
The problem there is that HD 5200 is basically as expensive as a GT 750M. I'm sure Apple gets volume discounts from Intel but they probably get the same from NVidia.
I think that they will either go all HD 5200 and ditch the dGPU, or go all HD 4600 + dGPU just like they do now.
But for the 13" I really hoe they use a quad cpu with the 5100 or 5200 if such a chip does exist.
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