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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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I think the 28W dual core with HD 5100 is pretty likely there. Should give similar CPU performance as the current gen but much better graphics performance, as well as longer battery life.
Exactly my trail of thought, now to wait for them to be updated, HD5100 should be worth waiting for!
I am kind of upset. I was thinking about buying rMBP 15" but since I saw Haswell night and day change over battery life in new MacBook Airs. So I am waiting for updated rMBP.
And since then, I learned about slow discrete GPU - GT650 (I was never really into hardware).
What the hack is going on Apple? I don't want to buy for 3100 USD a computer which is already old!
And since then, I learned about slow discrete GPU - GT650 (I was never really into hardware).
What the hack is going on Apple? I don't want to buy for 3100 USD a computer which is already old!
I think cost is not an issue.
MBA 2012 CPU BASE I5 3317U = $225
MBA 2013 CPU BASE I5 4250U = $342
They can absorb the cost somehow mysteriously.
It's a 65% increase in cost for the CPU alone.
Not only that, they doubled the storage of the 11" and reduces $100 from the 13".
So I can safely say HD 4600 totally don't make any sense now.
I highly doubt laptop starting at $2500 will ditch dGPU.
I didn't see the benchmarks of 750m vs 5200(?) yet, but there could possibly be cheaper one without dGPU or same price with base 2,x/512/16
I also don't think apple is waiting for IGZO displays, that would ruin their whole double pixel thingy.
I didn't see the benchmarks of 750m vs 5200(?) yet, but there could possibly be cheaper one without dGPU or same price with base 2,x/512/16
I also don't think apple is waiting for IGZO displays, that would ruin their whole double pixel thingy.
I believe they are waiting for the launch of 4750HQ which is somewhere in Q3 according to Anandtech. However the 4850HQ and 4950HQ has already been launched. Or its possible Apple is waiting to incorporate either IGZO displays or Thunderbolt 2 or even both.
To be honest, I am thinking about to completely leave Apple lifestyle. 
When I buy a pricey computer, I expect it to hold up with me for next 5 years.
I bought 2 years ago 13" MacBook Pro with HD 3000 and Full HD display which I connect through Thunderbolt. And it lags. Even in the OS X it cannot handle Full HD system menus etc. WTF?
Sorry but this is crazy. rMBP with 650M? And I have to wait for Apple to put there a better graphics card when there already are better graphics chips on the market?
I just don't want to care about it when I am paying that much. And I don't care if the system with HD 3000 lags because of power of the chip or quality of drivers. I pay Apple to take care of it but it seems they don't even use their own products.
When I buy a pricey computer, I expect it to hold up with me for next 5 years.I bought 2 years ago 13" MacBook Pro with HD 3000 and Full HD display which I connect through Thunderbolt. And it lags. Even in the OS X it cannot handle Full HD system menus etc. WTF?
Sorry but this is crazy. rMBP with 650M? And I have to wait for Apple to put there a better graphics card when there already are better graphics chips on the market?
I just don't want to care about it when I am paying that much. And I don't care if the system with HD 3000 lags because of power of the chip or quality of drivers. I pay Apple to take care of it but it seems they don't even use their own products.
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Why would that ruin the pixel doubling?
If Apple were to use IGZO displays they would most likely be at the same size and resolution as the current retina displays. I know that Sharp didn't announce those resolutions, but I'm sure Apple can order whatever they want.
To be honest, I am thinking about to completely leave Apple lifestyle.
I bought 2 years ago 13" MacBook Pro with HD 3000 and Full HD display which I connect through Thunderbolt. And it lags. Even in the OS X it cannot handle Full HD system menus etc. WTF?
Sorry but this is crazy. rMBP with 650M? And I have to wait for Apple to put there a better graphics card when there already are better graphics chips on the market?
I just don't want to care about it when I am paying that much. And I don't care if the system with HD 3000 lags because of power of the chip or quality of drivers. I pay Apple to take care of it but it seems they don't even use their own products.
The only person who was rigorous with testing & perfectionning the products is Steve Jobs...
I think Tim Cook uses barely a MBA with an apple display. He probably spends his time doing spreadsheets and meeting with its subordinates and executive committee...
Ohh boy. I guess you guys are right and there won't be a 13" with a quad core CPU. If so I won't get one...maybe next year then.
The current rMBP gets around 9 hours max battery life so 12 hours with Haswell is entirely possible.
How do you know 32GB won't be an option. Memory chips with the required density already exist so again it is entirely possible.
Thanks though.
So is there any point of waiting to get a new nonretina macbook pro for college because I've heard that Apple will probably not update the nonretinas because they are trying to phase them out?
You might has well wait if you don't need one right now.
If they don't update or they actually discontinue them, you will get some great bargains on them in the refurn store
Shouldn't the Macbook Pro not be about battery life?
Both of Apple's laptop lines are about compromises.
The Air is great on portability and battery life while only offering decent performance.
The Pro is all about performance while offering decent battery life and portability.
Every Haswell chip with Iris Pro offers worse performance CPU and GPU wise than the current 15" Macbook Pro.
If Apple would just go with a CPU with an integrated 4600 and a dedicated GPU (like the 750M) they would offer both better CPU performance, better iGPU performance and better dGPU performance. That would make sense for the 15" in my opinion.
Unless they're waiting for intel to release chips with an Iris Pro and higher CPU clocks.
Both of Apple's laptop lines are about compromises.
The Air is great on portability and battery life while only offering decent performance.
The Pro is all about performance while offering decent battery life and portability.
Every Haswell chip with Iris Pro offers worse performance CPU and GPU wise than the current 15" Macbook Pro.
If Apple would just go with a CPU with an integrated 4600 and a dedicated GPU (like the 750M) they would offer both better CPU performance, better iGPU performance and better dGPU performance. That would make sense for the 15" in my opinion.
Unless they're waiting for intel to release chips with an Iris Pro and higher CPU clocks.
no.
yes, as any notebook
except the mba 11, that doesnt have the same battery life as its brothers, only with haswell it got that
the pro is all about mainstream performance.
only in your dreams
and why do you think they will drop dgpu? it doesnt make sense.
intel has paper launched most of its haswell cpus, though, from my math, 1/3 is still not launched.
Paper launch is different from actual launch. Only this past week haswell cpus have been sold, the HQ are not even being sold, except the razer blade, which a guy I know received, but that is just a BGA version instead of rPGA
Maybe that will be tha date for the MAC PRO release as well,
a total refresh from MacBook Pro to Mini to Mac Pro,
could make sense.
Just to be clear: I don't think Apple will drop the dGPU, though many people in this thread seem to suggest no dGPU is a good idea. The GT 650M still performs better than the Iris Pro.
My guess is the new 15" rMBP's will use the M series of CPU's and a dGPU.
And about the performance of the Iris Pro chips being worse than the current rMBP CPU's:
Fastest suitable Haswell M-chip:
Core i7 4900MX - 2.8Ghz, 8MB L3 cache, 47W TDP
Fastest suitable Haswell H-chip:
Core i7 4950HQ - 2.4Ghz, 6MB L3 cache, 47W TDP
Current fastest Ivy Bridge chip in the rMBP:
Core i7 3840QM - 2.8Ghz, 8MB L3 cache, 45W TDP
From everything I've read on AnandTech Haswell doesn't offer much CPU performance improvement per hertz from Ivy Bridge. So I don't think the Iris Pro (H-series) CPU's are faster than the current RMBP CPU's.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20
If I'm wrong on please tell me.
Is the MQ series being sold already? Or just the ULV chips?
My guess is the new 15" rMBP's will use the M series of CPU's and a dGPU.
And about the performance of the Iris Pro chips being worse than the current rMBP CPU's:
Fastest suitable Haswell M-chip:
Core i7 4900MX - 2.8Ghz, 8MB L3 cache, 47W TDP
Fastest suitable Haswell H-chip:
Core i7 4950HQ - 2.4Ghz, 6MB L3 cache, 47W TDP
Current fastest Ivy Bridge chip in the rMBP:
Core i7 3840QM - 2.8Ghz, 8MB L3 cache, 45W TDP
From everything I've read on AnandTech Haswell doesn't offer much CPU performance improvement per hertz from Ivy Bridge. So I don't think the Iris Pro (H-series) CPU's are faster than the current RMBP CPU's.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6993/intel-iris-pro-5200-graphics-review-core-i74950hq-tested/20
If I'm wrong on please tell me.
Is the MQ series being sold already? Or just the ULV chips?
Yes, I would think a customer as large as Apple could get Sharp to cut the displays to any size Apple wanted them to.
My guess as to the reason for the delay is Intel processors and TB2 but not IGZO though. Just a hunch.
What people here mostly get it wrong is they assume Apple will use MQ chips.
They will use HQ chips whether you like it or not.
dGPU will stay, no question.
Entry model lacking dGPU is another question.
I think Anand is making a wrong assumption. dGPU will still stay. No way will they have a reduce in CPU and GPU performance altogether for the sake of battery life. That will just be stupid. At least the MBA has almost 2X the GPU performance at a reduction of clock speed from 1.8Ghz to 1.3Ghz while still maintaining the near equivalent performance to their Ivy Bridge counterpart while increasing the battery life still!
The model missing now is 4750HQ which Apple is I'm assuming is waiting on.
Who do you think is the one customer that pushes Intel to put eDRAM on their chips? Apple that is.
By using Iris Pro 5200 together with a dGPU, most tasks can completed with using the integrated GPU. However if there are still some more demanding workload, it still can be pushed to the dGPU so performance of the overall system will not be reduced.. What this allows is using the iGPU further so Apple can claim an increase in battery life since more workloads can now be dependant on the iGPU itself. Get it?
If you are wondering about costs of the HQ chip, don't worry about it.
Their MBA base chips from 3317U to 4250U is 65% higher in costs. $225 to $342. So costs here are a non-issue.
So people, stop thinking Apple will use MQ that has an HD 4600 series. It will not happen. Deal with it. If not they would have already updated their rMBP during WWDC.
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HQ cpus dont offer lower cpu performance. specially when HSA enabled apps start using that cache.
That is the way that AMD and intel are developing their cpus.
its complicated to base performance on standard clocks anymore, as it ever was
dusk007 and I had engaged on this discussion before, and he was right, and I was wrong.
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