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yokken said:
You need to exercise your battery. Every month or so, use it off the charger and let it die -- kill the battery. Otherwise leaving it plugged in 24/7 will actually decrease the battery life over time.
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This is NOT TRUE!
Read up on how batterys work now days.
What you are saying is accually the worst thing you can do for your battery.

You really shouldn't blurt out these things.



KUguardgrl13 said:
My MBP is four years old with the original battery, so I'm not at all surprised that its capacity is down.

But are you sure you're actually supposed to let Mac batteries die completely on purpose? I've let it happen by accident, and that seemed to lower the capacity pretty quickly. I lost 5% in a month.

The Lenovo I'm borrowing is all sorts of wonky. It doesn't always recognize the extended battery and shows a lot less time left than there should be.
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Yeah 4 years takes is toll. There are some ways you can make sure you get the most out of your battery tho.
Here are some good tips if you want to read about how to take care of you battery the best way.

http://marketingsucesso.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-increase-laptop-battery-life


Im still surprised that Apple haven't added a function to set max recharge of the battery to 50% or 80%.
Since many keep their laptops plugged in all the time. This area between those numbers are the best place to keep the battery loaded, to get the most out of its life.

That is why many laptop brands have a function to lock charging to not go over one of those amounts.
 
Sorry can someone explains what to do with battery?

From one side you cannot work plugged in all the time.

But you cannot do the opposite too (never work with the mac plugged in unless you are recharging the battery): given that the battery life is 1000 cycles this is the quickest way to usure your battery.

I usually works with the notebook plugged in. However sometimes I disconnect it and let the battery goes down to say 10% and then I recharge it.
This is what apple suggest:

For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time. An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her notebook on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing. If on the other hand, you use a desktop computer at work, and save a notebook for infrequent travel, Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month.
 
Four months since WWDC. I'm glad at that time I didn't think it would take until late October for this refresh. IMO the finish line is in sight ;)
 
sarakn said:
If the clip is off any longer, the rubber cement used to hold it down would be overpowered by the metal frame and that would be about 6 inches higher. LOL. I deserve a new laptop, damnit!
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My screen is like this - split all the way around from one too many tumbles onto a hard wood floor. Still hanging in there though. I call it the zombie.
 
Rick-ITA said:
Sorry can someone explains what to do with battery?

From one side you cannot work plugged in all the time.

But you cannot do the opposite too (never work with the mac plugged in unless you are recharging the battery): given that the battery life is 1000 cycles this is the quickest way to usure your battery.

I usually works with the notebook plugged in. However sometimes I disconnect it and let the battery goes down to say 10% and then I recharge it.
This is what apple suggest:

For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your portable plugged in all the time. An ideal use would be a commuter who uses her notebook on the train, then plugs it in at the office to charge. This keeps the battery juices flowing. If on the other hand, you use a desktop computer at work, and save a notebook for infrequent travel, Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month.
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Its best to keep the battery between 50-80%.
That way you have the absolute least amount of ware on the battery.
Im not sure if there is some kind of program or app that can take care of this for you.
A lot of other manufacturers have a setting for this, not sure why Apple dont.

One thing is for sure tho that you should never let your battery go totally empty. And your battery does well from working.

And also one should really not worry so much about the battery.
Enjoy your laptop and use as you see fit. Just keep in mind not to do stupid things with the battery and it will be fine.

The life cycle of a battery now days is long. Atleast if you keep using your computer and dont miss treat it very badly.

And you can always swap the battery at apple if it starts failing.
Even if its for a cost, many think its worth it just not to have to bother with beeing over protective with your battery and not using your laptop as you want.
 
zOlid said:
Its best to keep the battery between 50-80%.
That way you have the absolute least amount of ware on the battery.
Im not sure if there is some kind of program or app that can take care of this for you.
A lot of other manufacturers have a setting for this, not sure why Apple dont.

One thing is for sure tho that you should never let your battery go totally empty. And your battery does well from working.

And also one should really not worry so much about the battery.
Enjoy your laptop and use as you see fit. Just keep in mind not to do stupid things with the battery and it will be fine.

The life cycle of a battery now days is long. Atleast if you keep using your computer and dont miss treat it very badly.

And you can always swap the battery at apple if it starts failing.
Even if its for a cost, many think its worth it just not to have to bother with beeing over protective with your battery and not using your laptop as you want.
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It may be bad to let your battery completely die, but the only way it's going to know that it really had 0% charge when it thought it had 5% charge is when it dies at 5% charge and goes oh, whoops. Guess I gotta recalibrate. Apple themselves say you need to exercise your battery. They didn't say let it die, but they did say discharge it. I don't think having to run your laptop dry once a month is causing you to "not use your laptop as you want."
 
Rick-ITA said:
Sorry can someone explains what to do with battery?

From one side you cannot work plugged in all the time.

But you cannot do the opposite too (never work with the mac plugged in unless you are recharging the battery): given that the battery life is 1000 cycles this is the quickest way to usure your battery.

I usually works with the notebook plugged in. However sometimes I disconnect it and let the battery goes down to say 10% and then I recharge it.
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the sources:

you can recharge a lithium-ion polymer battery whenever it’s convenient for you, without requiring a full charge or discharge cycle.
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apple.com/au/batteries

For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Apple does not recommend leaving your notebook plugged in all the time.
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Apple recommends charging and discharging its battery at least once per month.
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apple.com/au/batteries/notebooks

To minimize stress, keep the lithium-ion battery at the 4.20V/cell peak voltage as short a time as possible.
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Lithium-ion does not need to be fully charged; a partial charge is better.
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batteryuniversity.com

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so basically:

A) don't leave your computer plugged into the power as its stresses the battery
B) don't worry about needing to fully drain your battery (or get to X%) before recharging (as the ghosting effect does not occur to the Li-ion batteries) and partial charges are actually better (except the monthly recommended full cycle for calibration)

i think it's ok to skip out on the monthly calibration, you just can't be confident the reported battery capacity / percentage is correct

it's not that much to replace the battery after year 2 or 3, so i wouldn't worry that much:
AUD$149 cmbp - AUD$199 17-cmbp - AUD$229 rmbp (all inc GST)

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li-ion = li-ion poylmer (the polymer just refers to a different construction process - allowing lighter and funky shaped (flat) batteries :)

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Autrement said:
"Battery juices" being, of course, the technical term. :rolleyes:
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yeah its funny, the apple page actually says 'battery juices'
 
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actuallyinaus said:
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you WANT your computer to be at 100% ram usage - the more inactive crap you have in ram the faster your computer will be
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Excellent explanation.

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actuallyinaus said:
that's perfectly fine, now you know and can be less worried about inactive ram, nor needing to buy so much

'not redistributing to FCPX fast enough' - the problem is not going to be the time it takes to clear the inactive sections of ram (that's super fast), its probably disk being slow to load to ram or something else

crappy analogy:
- ram is kinda like a whiteboard
- the teacher copies text out of the textbook (slow) onto the whiteboard then explains it to the class
- when the teacher changes topic he does not clear the whiteboard completely but rather writes in the free space / gaps - if there is no free space left he wipes out a little section of the oldest text and writes the new stuff in that section
- if a student asks a question about some thing that happened earlier the teacher can simply point to what he wrote before and start explaining right away (assuming he has not needed to wipe it out yet) - if he has wiped it out he needs to flip around in the text book (wasting time) and re-write it on the board again (wasting more time) then finally start explaining again

besides the advantage of reopening a closed program, there are many advantages of cached data in a program:
- when you click preview in final cut pro (i dont actually use fcpx so it might be a bad example) it renders the video and plays it back on the screen - this would be cached in ram so if you preview again without editing more, all the computer has to do is send the video from ram to gpu to be shown on the screen - this saves cpu cycles and battery
- when you drag the preview playback bar (whatever it's called) through a large video file, the more ram you have, the more raw video data can be cached at a time, thus giving you quicker playback/response - rather than having to load from disk
- in a multiplayer video game, it could keep the previous map stored in ram so if that map was played again it does not have to access disk to load the map to ram again, as the map is still in ram from before

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guaranteed not this year
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Great analogy... so effective when a concept is broken down to basic terms. I'm an IT consultant and can't tell you how detrimental to a project poor coaching skills are. It's so much worse when techies can not explain a basic concept to the business analysts and people leave meetings only more confused.

You should get into IT consulting, if you're not already in it. I know clients that will happily pay you $100/hr just to explain statements made in meetings.
 
NocturnalJazz said:
What's the possibility of a quad core 13". If not now, is there any possibility for the near future?
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I would say not very likely this year. But chances of that happening should be better with the Broadwell update (well, that's what we currently believe. We'll be more sure as more info about Broadwell gets released).



AndreasM said:
It's almost like that waiting for this computer has become a lifestyle so it actually will feel pretty strange if/when I do buy it.
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I know exactly how you feel. I've gotten so used to be waiting for a product, I will have to find something else to wait around for after I buy the haswell rMBP.



sarakn said:
You should get into IT consulting, if you're not already in it. I know clients that will happily pay you $100/hr just to explain statements made in meetings.
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$100/hour? That's insane. I should really look into becoming an IT consultant. That, and I should learn to speak slower :D
 
Two things are for sure.

If the Haswell rMBP is announced on the 22nd, I will be happy.
If the Haswell rMBP is not announced til 2014, I will be sad.
 
GSPice said:
Two things are for sure.

If the Haswell rMBP is announced on the 22nd, I will be happy.
If the Haswell rMBP is not announced til 2014, I will be sad.
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So how will you feel if the Haswell rMBP is announced between 10/23 and 12/31?? :D
 
If Apple does not release Haswell rmbp
with:
battery life>=11hours
pcie ssd and
HD5200
on 22 October I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER APPLE PRODUCT EVER AGAIN, EVER, F-UUUUUU APPLE

unless they release an iwatch or 5' iphone or maybe even a 4k monitor
 
willdog123 said:
If Apple does not release Haswell rmbp
with:
battery life>=11hours
pcie ssd and
HD5200
on 22 October I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER APPLE PRODUCT EVER AGAIN, EVER, F-UUUUUU APPLE

unless they release an iwatch or 5' iphone or maybe even a 4k monitor
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So an October 15 release would really piss you off? Ok, to each his own.
 
willdog123 said:
If Apple does not release Haswell rmbp
with:
battery life>=11hours
pcie ssd and
HD5200
on 22 October I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER APPLE PRODUCT EVER AGAIN, EVER, F-UUUUUU APPLE

unless they release an iwatch or 5' iphone or maybe even a 4k monitor
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Mark my word when you will buy another one, because it's inevitable.
 
willdog123 said:
If Apple does not release Haswell rmbp
with:
battery life>=11hours
pcie ssd and
HD5200
on 22 October I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER APPLE PRODUCT EVER AGAIN, EVER, F-UUUUUU APPLE

unless they release an iwatch or 5' iphone or maybe even a 4k monitor
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You've drank the Apple juice, you will forever buy their products!
 
mneblett said:
So how will you feel if the Haswell rMBP is announced between 10/23 and 12/31?? :D
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Listen Apple people, come gather round
I gotta get me a game plan, gotta shake you to the ground
But just give me, huh, what I know is mine
Apple do you hear me, just gimme a sign
It ain't much I'm asking, I just want the truth
Here's to the future for the dreams of youth

I want it all
I want it all
I want it all and I want it now
 
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