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I think the idea is that the Mac Pro is a desktop - vs. a portable laptop which tend to have a lessor cost friendly solution for micro-sized computer tech...(ex: high end video cards), and...it's new tech that may or may not make its way to the MBP the sametime it comes to the Mac Pro systems

I would point out that Thunderbolt debuted in February 2011 in MacBook Pros ;)
 
1) If Apple is going to discontinue cMBP, then BTS is the perfect excuse to push all of the cMBP stock away. So yes, it is very likely they're just pushing IB for BTS.

2) The update to Haswell won't drop prices significantly, so there is still a huge price gap between the rMBP and the cMBP. And the benefits of Haswell for Retina MacBooks are much less significant compared to the MacBook Air since the Retina Display is the significant power draw, not the processor. The students would have to think: would they have dropped an extra $400 - 500 for a new Retina MacBook that they won't need?

3) 4K displays are not a stretch if Apple plans to roll out a new 4K TV. And there are 4K TVs on the market already from other manufacturers (Sony for instance). People seem to forget Apple still has a TV plan in mind... so this is a reminder.

4) If Apple was going to push a Haswell upgrade for rMBP any time soon, benchmarks and rumors would start flying left and right. Why? Because production should have already started months ago, and they'd have to have the packaging and everything else ready by now in order to roll out an update. The February 2013 refresh was rumored as a potential cooling system revision since December 2012. That was 2 months ahead. Safe bet: they haven't finalized the Haswell upgrade for rMBPs yet, and they're taking their sweet time. Production can start as late as August or September if they're only shipping new Haswell rMBPs by October/November.

Promoting a 400-day old laptop that they are planning on discontinuing in a few months, to students no less, is quite a bit over the top. We have seen benchmarks for a Haswell 13" MBP, and it was widely expected that the refresh would happen at WWDC. Also, Intel pretty clearly said that TB2 wasn't going to be fully in production until 2014 (we'll get it February refresh, methinks). Regardless, there are very valid points for both scenarios, and I think we will learn Apple's take on the situation within a day or two. If it does release with BTS, it'll be the most silent release ever though.
 
Yeah, but the Mac Pro was also benchmarked, and we all know it won't come until Fall.

It's when there are packaging leaks or specs leaks flying around that we know we're approaching release date.

That benchmark is more likely proof that Apple is still testing Haswell designs in their labs as of a few days ago... and production hasn't started yet.

I've got to agree with this. We're not seeing leaked SKU's like we saw a week ahead of WWDC and one benchmark isn't anywhere near enough proof that tomorrow we will see new rMBPs.
 
Which CPUs will 13" Retina likely have?

Hoping for silent refresh tomorrow. Just don't want the new MBA. These new Haswell chips below are the only ones that I can see going into the new 13" Retina. Any other possibilities?
 

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Well, there have been times when there were no leaked SKU's before an update. There was no sign of apple updating the Retina MacBook Pro in February, and they did it by surprise.
 
With the earnings call scheduled for later this month, Tim Cook saying on the previous earnings call that new stuff was coming in the fall and throughout 2014, and no leaked SKUs I really don't see the Haswell updates to the rMBP coming tomorrow or even this month.

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Well, there have been times when there were no leaked SKU's before an update. There was no sign of apple updating the Retina MacBook Pro in February, and they did it by surprise.

Someone else said there actually was word that a refresh was coming as early as December for the February refresh. It mostly focused on updates to the cooling system. Granted, Tim Cook did say they were doubling down on secrecy but we saw the SKUs leak before WWDC for the MBA refresh that's why I would expect to see them for an update to the rMBP line. Best Buy is supposedly going to carry the Pebble watch according to a leak. If we were going to see a refresh of the rMBP line I would expect to have heard about Apple SKUs as well.
 
Promoting a 400-day old laptop that they are planning on discontinuing in a few months, to students no less, is quite a bit over the top. We have seen benchmarks for a Haswell 13" MBP, and it was widely expected that the refresh would happen at WWDC. Also, Intel pretty clearly said that TB2 wasn't going to be fully in production until 2014 (we'll get it February refresh, methinks). Regardless, there are very valid points for both scenarios, and I think we will learn Apple's take on the situation within a day or two. If it does release with BTS, it'll be the most silent release ever though.

No, it's not over the top at all. As it is, the 13" cMBP is pretty much on its last legs being sandwiched between a less expensive 13" MBA that has much newer Haswell hardware, and the 13" rMBP that has a much better screen.

If Apple does not promote it in a favorable way, they won't be able to push all of the remaining stock away. And it's clear they have a fair amount of those.

It wasn't widely "expected" that the refresh would happen at WWDC. It was more widely "hoped" that the refresh would happen at WWDC.

Again, there was a hardware refresh for the rMBPs just this February. It's barely 4 months ago. If Apple pushes out a Haswell update now, be it silent or not, they'd more likely anger the folks who would shell out more money for a rMBP, and that's much worse than angering a bunch of college kids who can barely save up enough money to afford a base MacBook.

because it isn't worth the risk leaking the info?

But that doesn't mean people can't run their mouths. Just like how 9to5mac got news that the BTS promotion will start tomorrow.
 
If Apple does not promote it in a favorable way, they won't be able to push all of the remaining stock away. And it's clear they have a fair amount of those.

They'll have no problem letting Amazon liquidate the cMBP and still earn tons of money.

Again, there was a hardware refresh for the rMBPs just this February.

Nobody fell for that... Perhaps the weakest update ever, next to last year's Pro.
 
Nobody fell for that... Perhaps the weakest update ever, next to last year's Pro.

IMO it made the 13" rMBP's price go from unacceptable to acceptable when you compare it to the 15". I can only recommend it since this price drop.

Otherwise the 13" rMBP was exactly the same price as the 15" when you upgraded it to i7 and 256GB (which the 15" has). That made no sense at all given the lack of discrete graphics, quad-core CPU, smaller battery, smaller/lower-res display, etc.
 
No, it's not over the top at all. As it is, the 13" cMBP is pretty much on its last legs being sandwiched between a less expensive 13" MBA that has much newer Haswell hardware, and the 13" rMBP that has a much better screen.

If Apple does not promote it in a favorable way, they won't be able to push all of the remaining stock away. And it's clear they have a fair amount of those.

It wasn't widely "expected" that the refresh would happen at WWDC. It was more widely "hoped" that the refresh would happen at WWDC.

Again, there was a hardware refresh for the rMBPs just this February. It's barely 4 months ago. If Apple pushes out a Haswell update now, be it silent or not, they'd more likely anger the folks who would shell out more money for a rMBP, and that's much worse than angering a bunch of college kids who can barely save up enough money to afford a base MacBook.



But that doesn't mean people can't run their mouths. Just like how 9to5mac got news that the BTS promotion will start tomorrow.

Well, leak-less refreshes have happened before. Apple already had a stock-clearing week-long sale in May to get rid of IB MBPs, currently they are out of stock at most 3rd party vendors. February hardware "refresh" was complete BS and everyone knows it.

Also, I think appealing to the younger generation is important for Apple, more so than professional users. Plus it doesn't really make sense to sell the IB cMBP 13" with just $100 off in store credit, because it was on sale for cheaper than that in May.

That's not to say that your conclusion is wrong; I think there should have been some sort of leak by now if the Haswell refresh is happening tomorrow. Perhaps they'll put it up for pre-order, shipping in the coming weeks, while dropping cMBP prices.
 
BTS now available in USA but still not in UK and no sign of new MBPs :/

Edit now also available in UK £70 with Mac and £35 with iPad/iPhone
 
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Damn it.. no new rMBPs. Guess I'll be waiting awhile longer. I have an early 2010 MBP and was looking to upgrade, but guess it'll be sticking with me until September..
 
I have never kept track of Apple releasing updates around earnings calls. But certainly seems like Apple would wait until after the earnings call to update the rMPB's, right? Or is this just more wishful thinking? :rolleyes:
 
I have never kept track of Apple releasing updates around earnings calls. But certainly seems like Apple would wait until after the earnings call to update the rMPB's, right? Or is this just more wishful thinking? :rolleyes:

umm....wouldn't be the earnings call only include revenues till the end of june?
i don't think any sales in this month would affect the numbers in their reports.
 
umm....wouldn't be the earnings call only include revenues till the end of june?
i don't think any sales in this month would affect the numbers in their reports.

No, of course this month's sales wouldn't affect Apple's numbers, which is one reason not to release them this month. But I was wondering if hardware updates had been released soon after earnings calls. I have just never kept track.
 
No, of course this month's sales wouldn't affect Apple's numbers, which is one reason not to release them this month. But I was wondering if hardware updates had been released soon after earnings calls. I have just never kept track.

mmmm...personally i don't think earnings call have anything to do with product releases.

if they care so much about those numbers they should have spread product releases evenly throughout the year. having a spike of sales in Q3 or (worse) Q4 and flat line for the rest of the year, i'm not sure if this would look good in charts.

besides, spreading releases would allow people to make multiple purchases .. e.g: macbook in may, iphone in september, ipad in november.

its hard for kids to justify purchasing two different products at a very near timefram :p
 
Wish they hurry up with the updates.. I have a 13 inch retina with some serious defects that warrants a System replacement, I just been dealing with the issues for the sake of Haswell

Pretty sure they will upgrade me to Haswell for free if I wait
 
Wish they hurry up with the updates.. I have a 13 inch retina with some serious defects that warrants a System replacement, I just been dealing with the issues for the sake of Haswell

Pretty sure they will upgrade me to Haswell for free if I wait

Pretty sure they wont.
Its not like the older Ivy bridge model will be sold out. Its going to be in stock for replacements and such, for the better part of a year.
Most brands keep a stock for replacements just for situations like this so they can replace broken older product.
 
Pretty sure they wont.
Its not like the older Ivy bridge model will be sold out. Its going to be in stock for replacements and such, for the better part of a year.
Most brands keep a stock for replacements just for situations like this so they can replace broken older product.

I kinda beg to differ based on my own experiences.. I had issues with my 2009 MBP, and they bumped me to a 2010.. And this was about 2 months after the 2010s came out

Same thing with my sisters 15 inch from 2011, they bumped her to a 2012 only a few weeks after its debut

Honestly it really doesn't matter to me.. I'm actually content with the performance of my 1st gen retina.. But hey if i can get Haswell and the extra battery life.. Why not
 
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