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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Not all that's for sure.
I bought a Feb updated rMBP about 1½ month ago.
2 weeks before WWDC.
I had 30 days to return it, so they told me in store to bring it home and test and if I like it, keep it. If not just return it.
The issue I had was that when I had like 1 program open the fast start menu would lag when u scrolled trough it.
It was the same with finder.
Also I use XBMC A LOT.
And in XBMC I had a steady 25% fault rate on frames. That´s just awful. Even on my i3 NUC I have less then 1% fault in XMBC.
I'm not sure if these problems where isolated to my unit. But I'm not going to accept problems like that when iv'e payed so much for a laptop.
So I returned it and now I'm waiting for the Haswell refresh and hoping for better results.
But now I don't have any laptop and the wait is getting seriously annoying.
Thinking of actually buying a AIR to have in the meantime.
That's not an excuse for Apple. If you pay a couple of kidneys for a laptop it should function properly.
That's the reason I'm waiting with my purchase, because I want the laptop to be usable at least in 2D operations.
The 15" is just too big, not to mention too expensive for me.
I'm also contemplating about buying the new Air, but am a bit afraid it's CPU won't be powerful enough for processing RAW files from my Nikon D800 in Lightroom. If someone has any input on that, please let me know. The mid2010 13" MBP is dead-slow at processing them.
Why can't I get a retina if it is not for work? Do you have to be for work to tell the difference between a retina and a regular screen? Retina screen is so much better in doing anything, even for just suffering on the internet. Air line is not an option the screen can't even compare with the cMBP, and I am definitely not getting a cMBP which you know that apple is not going to produce anymore in the near future.
And yes, there's a reason that retina macbooks are called "PRO", the reason is that the "Non-Pro" doesn't exist anymore.
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I think a lot of people are forgetting the fact that you can also get incredible deals right now on current gen rMBP's. I usually do wait for the newest gen before buying, but some of the deals people are mentioning are almost to good to pass up and I think a lot of people should consider that over a few hours of battery life and an improved SSD, especially if you are interested in the 15". If your a gamer and want a 13" Id think I'd wait for the new one for the new iGPU. But for the 15" you can get a very good deal now.
If you're a gamer you shouldn't be on this forum.
People who buy notebooks for gaming are nuts or have too much money.If you're a gamer you shouldn't be on this forum.
Lol well I didn't mean like hardcore gamer. I meant if your doing things that are graphic intensive or like to play a few games on a 13".
You mean like tetris and stuff ... right.
Joke aside, I think the current 13" Retina has a problem of even running the UI at a proper framerate, let alone games.
Nope.
It was the 15" it was the base model with 8gb ram and 256 gb ssd.
But it should be more then capable to run stuff like that anyway.
You mean like tetris and stuff ... right.
Joke aside, I think the current 13" Retina has a problem of even running the UI at a proper framerate, let alone games.
From what I've been reading I think the UI problem is mainly because of the software, not the HD4000. People using Mavericks are reporting much better responsiveness with the UI.
Probably, since the HD4000 should be more than enough for that amount of pixel pushing. But you're buying a system, not just a piece of hardware and it should work as a whole with OS and anything apple you connect to it.
Agree! That has always been my point. Waiting for the new Haswell means being willing to pay full MSRP for it. You can get now a high end 13 or 15 inch rMBP, new or refurbished, at great prices (on refurbished as low as 40-50% off retail. I paid in April 2013 for my slightly used 15 inch, Sept 2012 built, 2.7/16/768/Samsung display & ssd rMBP machine, with 3 yrs AppleCare just $2400 shipped through Ebay), so unless money is no object and someone wants to have the latest and greatest, buying now at deep discount prices seems to me the way to go.
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Wow nice deal! I agree with completely. Unless the update was going to provide extraordinary improvements I would much rather save the extra money. Plus if you get a good enough deal
you could actually resell it next year and make a profit and buy an even better update than haswell.
Could you point us to these 40-50% off retail refurb deals? On Apple's Certified Refurbished Store the best I see is ~25% discount.
My Estimates for the Haswell Macbook Pro Retina 13" based on the figures from the 2012 - 2013 Macbook Airs
CPU | Geekbench | Cinebench
----2013 Macbook Pro Retina 13"-------------------------- Haswell (Iris 5100)
2.4 GHz i5-4258U | 32bit - 7140, 64bit - 8000 | 26 FPS
2.6 GHz i5-4288U | 32bit - 7300, 64bit - 8200 | 28 FPS
2.8 GHz i7-4558U | 32bit - 8100, 64bit - 9100 | 30 FPS
----2012 Macbook Pro Retina 13"------------------------- Ivy Bridge (HD 4000)
2.5 GHz i5-3210M | 32bit - 6614, 64bit - 7268 | 20 FPS
2.9 GHz i7-3520M | 32bit - 7451, 64bit - 8357 | 23 FPS
Airs..
----2013 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------- Haswell (HD 5000)
1.3 GHz i5-4250U | 32bit - 5956, 64bit - 6528 | 22 FPS
1.7 GHz i7-4650U | 32bit - 7269, 64bit - 8153 | 26 FPS
----2012 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------- Ivy Bridge (HD 4000)
1.8 GHz i5-3427U | 32bit - 6028, 64bit - 6615 | 17 FPS
2.0 GHz i7-3667U | 32bit - 6829, 64bit - 7514 | 19 FPS
----2011 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------Sandy Bridge (HD 3000)
1.7 GHz i5-2557M | 32bit - 5239, 64bit - 5785 | 8 FPS
1.8 GHz i7-2677M | 32bit - 5589, 64bit - 6275 | 10 FPS
Bold = Estimates
The Haswell Macbook Pro Retina 13" i7, if im correct, will have graphics performance close to that of the GT 650M in the Macbook Pro Retina 15", which gets 33 FPS. Not too shabby
CPU | Geekbench | Cinebench
----2013 Macbook Pro Retina 13"-------------------------- Haswell (Iris 5100)
2.4 GHz i5-4258U | 32bit - 7140, 64bit - 8000 | 26 FPS
2.6 GHz i5-4288U | 32bit - 7300, 64bit - 8200 | 28 FPS
2.8 GHz i7-4558U | 32bit - 8100, 64bit - 9100 | 30 FPS
----2012 Macbook Pro Retina 13"------------------------- Ivy Bridge (HD 4000)
2.5 GHz i5-3210M | 32bit - 6614, 64bit - 7268 | 20 FPS
2.9 GHz i7-3520M | 32bit - 7451, 64bit - 8357 | 23 FPS
Airs..
----2013 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------- Haswell (HD 5000)
1.3 GHz i5-4250U | 32bit - 5956, 64bit - 6528 | 22 FPS
1.7 GHz i7-4650U | 32bit - 7269, 64bit - 8153 | 26 FPS
----2012 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------- Ivy Bridge (HD 4000)
1.8 GHz i5-3427U | 32bit - 6028, 64bit - 6615 | 17 FPS
2.0 GHz i7-3667U | 32bit - 6829, 64bit - 7514 | 19 FPS
----2011 Macbook Air 13"---------------------------------Sandy Bridge (HD 3000)
1.7 GHz i5-2557M | 32bit - 5239, 64bit - 5785 | 8 FPS
1.8 GHz i7-2677M | 32bit - 5589, 64bit - 6275 | 10 FPS
Bold = Estimates
The Haswell Macbook Pro Retina 13" i7, if im correct, will have graphics performance close to that of the GT 650M in the Macbook Pro Retina 15", which gets 33 FPS. Not too shabby
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I didn't want to wait, and bought a 13" rMBP last night. I got $100 off with my son's student ID, and the $100 iTunes gift card. I don't know why they gave me $100 off for education, but I didn't complain. In looking at reviews from late last year, it seems that the rMBP 13" was $1999 with 256GB, and now they're $1,699.....??? The display makes text look great, and this will be a computer that mostly gets used for work....reading text.
Another thing to note with the Haswell CPU's is that they use less power than the previous generation. Im sure Apple will bump up the battery life, but I dont know if it will be as much as the Airs though as the retina screen still uses a lot of power. So Id guess we will see 9 hour battery life on the 13" Retina.
Check Macmall for new and open box deals (www.macmall.com), Best Buy in Store Deals for return machines and specially Ebay. Many people is afraid of buying computers on Ebay, but my experience has been excellent, just look for very reputable sellers with dozens of transactions or more selling computers and feedbacks in excess of 90%. (Look at the actual feedbacks). My machine was a Buy it Now offer (no auction), the seller did not listed the AppleCare as included but did showed the serial number on the auction, so I realized it had it on my own before buying (A $350 goodie at retail, but can be purchased for around $230). I asked for the screen and provided the script, he confirmed it was a Samsung display. The only thing I did not got was the case; overall very good conditions, very happy with purchase.
As others said, if in the future the new rMBP is A LOT BETTER may consider one of those as an upgrade, but most likely will wait for a similar, discount deal, rather than paying retail (My machine MSRP was supposedly $4k, would not pay so much for a new machine !)
Hope this helps!!!!
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Yeah, it actually has to be for work for now.
Surfing the web actually doesn't show that much of a benefit for a huge number of websites because most websites are still built for regular screens. Occasionally you'll get a nice website that embeds high resolution assets, but those are pretty rare.
While the Air line can't compare to the Retina line in terms of screen quality, it has other things going for it. And if you look at it from a decent angle, you wouldn't really notice a difference unless you look at the screen very very closely. In fact, the Air may be better for those apps that haven't been updated for Retina resolutions yet.
And the Air line IS the "non-Pro" line.
I'm a bit disappointed that the anticipated 2.6GHz rMBP (13") performance-wise runs about the same as the 2013 1.7GHz MBA. Where is the "Pro" in that? About the only difference I can discern is the display which, BTW, is what is of most interest to me. But with a higher frequency starting point why is the i5-4288U so "slow"? It's TDP is 28w versus 15w for the i7-4650U. I gather it might be the architecture difference between an i5 and and i7?
It would be great if there were a quad-core option for the 13" but somehow I do not see that as being likely.
Your ignoring the many students with well off parents and just because an air is capable doesn't mean you're going to buy an air; with that outlook why buy a Mac at all?
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