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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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sofianito said:
Apple is a $$$ highly profitable company. They have to make money as much and as soon as they can. Tim Cook has to have a really good reason for delaying til fall a release which is supposed to be just a specs bump... If not, I won't be surprised to see him stepping down soon...
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Are you high?
"Is supposed to be just a specs bump...."
Exactly how do you know that?
No one but apple knows that atm.
All the Haswell cpus haven't even been released yet.
And there are other technologies but haswell that they may be waiting for.
If you seriously think they would ask Cook to step down even if he had all the hardware needed for the rMBP and waited 6 months, you are just crazy tbh.
rMBP is not one of the big sellers for apple. Far from it.
It will be released when it is the right time from a financial stand point.
Do you seriously think it would be better for Apple to just release a new rMBP while they have big stocks of the Feb 2013 model left?
They are dumping them out now with other products to clear stock.
Do you think from a financial standpoint that it would be better for apple to release a new rMBP now when they have a lot of the old one still in stock. And would have to dump its prices by the but loads cos of newer hardware.
Or do you think it would be better to dump that older stock to reasonable prizes and then release a newer model closer to the holidays when they have their biggest sales?

No matter when they release it. Rest assured that they have thought long and hard about when is the best time to release it from a financial stand point.
 
I cant wait anymore. I just ordered my 15inch 2.7rmbp.

So far im happy with the performance. I can run smooth fcpx and motion.
 
bill-p said:
Yeah, I have to read texts from a different window while simultaneously writing texts (coding). And I write thousands of pages of texts (codes) a day, so being able to go back and read things without having to scroll is very useful.

If sharpness and clarity was the only factor, I would have downsized to the 13" rMBP instead since it offers the same sharpness and clarity while it is inherently more mobile. I don't need more processing power to write texts (codes).
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Wow that's impressive.
You must be one lean mean typing machine! :rolleyes:


No matter how anyone puts it. Or how they use their retina mbp.
There is a huge leap down to the Air´s screen or even the cMBP.
If you have the retina and go down to any of them you notice it IMMEDIATELY.
Ofc the the retina screen does more in some situations then others.
And it as always depends on what you use your computer for and what kind of money/performance/and so on, you take in to your decision.
 
zOlid said:
Are you high?
"Is supposed to be just a specs bump...."
Exactly how do you know that?
No one but apple knows that atm.
All the Haswell cpus haven't even been released yet.
And there are other technologies but haswell that they may be waiting for.
If you seriously think they would ask Cook to step down even if he had all the hardware needed for the rMBP and waited 6 months, you are just crazy tbh.
rMBP is not one of the big sellers for apple. Far from it.
It will be released when it is the right time from a financial stand point.
Do you seriously think it would be better for Apple to just release a new rMBP while they have big stocks of the Feb 2013 model left?
They are dumping them out now with other products to clear stock.
Do you think from a financial standpoint that it would be better for apple to release a new rMBP now when they have a lot of the old one still in stock. And would have to dump its prices by the but loads cos of newer hardware.
Or do you think it would be better to dump that older stock to reasonable prizes and then release a newer model closer to the holidays when they have their biggest sales?

No matter when they release it. Rest assured that they have thought long and hard about when is the best time to release it from a financial stand point.
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If Apple does not shave off that extra 0.04 inches from the thickness of the new 13" rMBP to make it as thin as the 15" rMPB then it's a forgone conclusion the Apple board will call for Tim Cook to resign. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
bill-p said:
Again, I own a Retina MacBook. I have used this machine for 11 months now, for multiple things, so I think I know more about the screen than you do just by experience.

Adjusting the internal resolution also changes the size of the texts and everything else. Even if the pixel count is the same, smaller texts and elements are just less distinguishable.

And you were mentioning students needing to type documents and read texts, so I'm providing a use case. I have to type up technical documents pretty much every other day, and some of them are multiple pages long, with images in between. It is very useful that I get enough desk space to be able to go back and read all of the texts I just typed without having to turn off the images in between.

Also while reading a technical document, it is also much more useful that I can view smaller (but readable) texts because then I don't have to scroll or zoom as much anymore.
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So you proved my point, RMBP is not exclusively designed for you, but for anyone who doest a lot of typing, including students. The "PRO" is just a way of naming, suggesting that it is a bit faster, nothing to do with "Designed exclusively for professionals who types technical papers", don't take it such a big deal that you are the only person qualified to use.

And the retina monitor is to show things clearer than regular, not for you to adjust to extremely high so that you can show more content in one screen. IF you do need that so much, then you should get iMac or 27 inch monitor not the retina.
 
Wow. This is nostalgic. I'm waiting for Haswell now after going through thousands of pages of "Waiting for Arrandale". Hopefully this comes along quicker than that!
 
Still no updates :/
And BTS started ! I think it'll be for September or October ...
I do need it for school, I think I'll buy a new Retina 15" with low specs, or maybe 16gb ram.
I'll buy it from AoC so it's 12% + 80€ gift card. (Is this latter resellable ? Or maybe to do in app purchase)

The battery bump could have been great :/
 
I have a question about refurbs. I'm looking at the late 2012 rMBP which is currently at quite a good price, a $300AUD discount on the similar spec'd model's education price.

Is this a good buy at the moment? I know it takes 3-6 months for a macbook model to appear in the refurb store, so I cannot wait another 4-8 months or so for the Haswell model to sell as a refurb.

Will the release of the Haswell models affect the price of current and last model (essentially the same minus the CPU bump) ?

(Background information is that I'm comparing this to an MBA, so hence the refurb requirement to make it a similar price. Any thought on a 2013 MBA vs a 2012 rMBP also appreciated)

Thanks
 
zOlid said:
Are you high?
"Is supposed to be just a specs bump...."
Exactly how do you know that?
No one but apple knows that atm.
All the Haswell cpus haven't even been released yet.
And there are other technologies but haswell that they may be waiting for.
If you seriously think they would ask Cook to step down even if he had all the hardware needed for the rMBP and waited 6 months, you are just crazy tbh.
rMBP is not one of the big sellers for apple. Far from it.
It will be released when it is the right time from a financial stand point.
Do you seriously think it would be better for Apple to just release a new rMBP while they have big stocks of the Feb 2013 model left?
They are dumping them out now with other products to clear stock.
Do you think from a financial standpoint that it would be better for apple to release a new rMBP now when they have a lot of the old one still in stock. And would have to dump its prices by the but loads cos of newer hardware.
Or do you think it would be better to dump that older stock to reasonable prizes and then release a newer model closer to the holidays when they have their biggest sales?

No matter when they release it. Rest assured that they have thought long and hard about when is the best time to release it from a financial stand point.
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Proving your statements by just using derogatory adjectives to disqualify others' statements makes you a wink ;)
How do you know Apple has big stocks of the Feb 2013 rMBP models left? Are you a concierge at Apple's factories?
Knowing Haswell was expected in June, don't you think Apple has thought long and hard about the quantity to produce in Feb 2013?
Why delaying haswell rMBP release would make Apple think people are nuts enough to clear its old stock? The Feb 2013 models were a silent refresh to fix issues and although they are 6 months old, they are considered old technology... You could reasonably argue that there won't be a huge difference in terms of performance between the 15" rMBP current and expected model, but for the 13" there would be a big difference.

Of course, I would love to see other improvements other than the ones they did in MBA. Having a IGZO retina panel would save energy and reduce heat, thus increase battery life. Apple's manufacturer Foxconn bought Sharp’s cutting-edge Japanese plant that produces IGZO panels to get rid of Samsung, but the latter is still the main supplier of retina displays...

TB2 is expected beginning 2014, and it is unlikely Apple would wait until then to release the rMBP. So basically, we are left with few expected realistic improvements for this fall...
 
Serban said:
so for the iMac how much pixels should have to call a retina display? i think 160 ppi is enough for a 21.5 or 27 screen
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Retina is Apple's trademark for a display so sharp that the human eye is unable to distinguish between pixels at a typical viewing distance.

The current iMacs do not have retina displays, but if for instance the viewing distance between you and the iMac 27 is 32 inches, then it would have the same result as if your iMac had a retina display and the viewing distance were shorter.
 
So i think it's safe to say that it'll be announced at the next iPhone event.
I come to the conclusion because Ming-Chi Kuo was right in saying that the Macbook Air gets dual mics. He said at the same time that the 13 inch Retina Macbook Pro would get thinner, making me think that his source is accurate but only knows the hardware differences and not release dates (probably a source at manufacturing).
Now I'm really confident in the rumor that the 13 rMBP will get thinner, making me believe that Apple would want to "show off" at a event and not just unceremoniously put it on their website.
Seeing as the low cost iPhone seems to be in production already I think it'll be later this month or some time next month. I highly doubt it will be announced later than August though.
 
hova said:
So i think it's safe to say that it'll be announced at the next iPhone event.
I come to the conclusion because Ming-Chi Kuo was right in saying that the Macbook Air gets dual mics. He said at the same time that the 13 inch Retina Macbook Pro would get thinner, making me think that his source is accurate but only knows the hardware differences and not release dates (probably a source at manufacturing).
Now I'm really confident in the rumor that the 13 rMBP will get thinner, making me believe that Apple would want to "show off" at a event and not just unceremoniously put it on their website.
Seeing as the low cost iPhone seems to be in production already I think it'll be later this month or some time next month. I highly doubt it will be announced later than August though.
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Ming-Chi Kuo is a "she" not a "he" :)

And i doubt an august release.
Looking more and more like a fall release the closer we get to Mavricks.
Releasing the rMBP like 1 month before Mavricks release seems like a strange move.
I know they have released computers close to software before. But not that close. And since Haswell together with Mavricks introduces a lot of energy and performance gain. It would seem strange to not release them together. Performance numbers, reviews and overall experience of the new rMBP would be better on Mavricks. So it seems like a strange move tbh :/
 
Sorry guys - I found a rMBP 13" in mint condition for 60% of the price - so I'll bail out for now. I do need the 15" before I move to Japan next year, but this will make it very bearable and I don't have to haunt this thread every two days to keep me in the loop.

Yeah, I know I found a 15" MBP the other day for 35% of the price, but I can't stand the low res screen - I'll sell that one at a profit.
 
I dont think they will wait until Mavericks to release rMBP. They are currently seeding Mountain Lion 10.8.5 out to developers with a focus Wi-Fi, Graphics, Wake from Sleep, PDF viewing, and Mobile Device Management.

http://www.cultofmac.com/234327/apple-seeds-os-x-mountain-lion-10-8-5-beta-build-12f17-to-developers/

I think they release the rMBP around the official announcement of 10.8.5. Or this can just be for the Haswell MBA issues. Anything that was in production for the rMBP would have be well planned out at least 1-2 quarters ago.
 
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denichidesigns said:
I dont think they will wait until Mavericks to release rMBP. They are currently seeding Mountain Lion 10.8.5 out to developers.

http://www.cultofmac.com/234327/apple-seeds-os-x-mountain-lion-10-8-5-beta-build-12f17-to-developers/

I think they release the rMBP around the official announcement of 10.8.5. Or this can just be for the Haswell MBA issues. Anything that was in production for the rMBP would have be well planned out at least 1-2 quarters ago.
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What does 10.8.5 have to do with it?
That is no proof of them releasing before Mavricks.
They are addressing issues with wifi and such that cant wait until Mavricks release to be fixed.
 
fratey said:
Sorry guys - I found a rMBP 13" in mint condition for 60% of the price - so I'll bail out for now. I do need the 15" before I move to Japan next year, but this will make it very bearable and I don't have to haunt this thread every two days to keep me in the loop.

Yeah, I know I found a 15" MBP the other day for 35% of the price, but I can't stand the low res screen - I'll sell that one at a profit.
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This thread descends more and more into idle stupidity every day. Please Apple for the love of god release a Haswell update for the MBP so we can relieve ourselves from absolute postal diatribe. Processor and screen discussion is fantastic but posts about making profit out of buying and selling Macs is for playschool... Also a post that opens with "sorry guys" you know it's a pleb alert... Sheesh;)
 
fratey said:
Sorry guys - I found a rMBP 13" in mint condition for 60% of the price - so I'll bail out for now. I do need the 15" before I move to Japan next year, but this will make it very bearable and I don't have to haunt this thread every two days to keep me in the loop.

Yeah, I know I found a 15" MBP the other day for 35% of the price, but I can't stand the low res screen - I'll sell that one at a profit.
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Where did you find a 13" rMBP for 60% off? That's an insane price.
 
zOlid said:
What does 10.8.5 have to do with it?
That is no proof of them releasing before Mavricks.
They are addressing issues with wifi and such that cant wait until Mavricks release to be fixed.
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There no proof of it being released with Mavericks either. My phrasing of "I think" proceeds that the statement was of my opinion. Not Fact.
 
rapha-35 said:
Still no updates :/
And BTS started ! I think it'll be for September or October ...
I do need it for school, I think I'll buy a new Retina 15" with low specs, or maybe 16gb ram.
I'll buy it from AoC so it's 12% + 80€ gift card. (Is this latter resellable ? Or maybe to do in app purchase)

The battery bump could have been great :/
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And it still can be great. All you gotta do is wait a few months. You will be in school a lot longer with the Haswell Retina than without it if you wait. If it comes in Oct or even November then you miss out for three months and use your still functioning computer that you have now. Then when Nov comes you get a brand spanking super brilliant new piece of kit that will do you for all college eternity!

Think Carefully, you know you want the new one and you'll kick yourself come Oct/Nov. :)

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fratey said:
I do need the 15" before I move to Japan next year, ...
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Yes! Japanese doesn't allow foreigners to bring 13" computers into the country! Be warned everyone! No foreigners with 13" MacBookPro computers will be allowed through immigration! :eek:

On a serious note... Why do you need a 15 for Japan and 13 for where you are now? ???
 
smoking monkey said:
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Yes! Japanese doesn't allow foreigners to bring 13" computers into the country! Be warned everyone! No foreigners with 13" MacBookPro computers will be allowed through immigration! :eek:

On a serious note... Why do you need a 15 for Japan and 13 for where you are now? ???
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Why does it matter? Maybe its for work and he needs the extra speed or screen real estate.
 
I'm starting to wonder if they intend to do a redesign which is the reason for this delay.

If you look back at the PowerPC to Intel switch they used the same design for the first generation of MacBook Pro's as the PowerBooks. Then later in 2008 they redesigned them.

Now with the Retina line they spoke a lot about a next generation MacBook Pro, something forward thinking, well it used the same design. Same keyboard, same speakers, same style. It was thinner, it didn't have an optical bay, it had new vents but in general it looks the same just thinner and at a quick glance it is difficult to tell the rMBP and the normal MBP apart unless you really pay attention.

Now I'm thinking are they going to do the same thing again? Launch a redesign like they did with the Unibody MacBook Pro's after initially doing internal updates. And by that I mean Retina display, SSD Stick storage, Soldered Memory. It is quite a big change much like the PowerPC to Intel transition was internally.

Food for thought. In any event, redesign or not I'm looking forward to the new notebooks. Still holding out for the Haswell, PCIe SSD, 802.11ac equipped Retina MacBook Pro of my dreams.
 
Quu said:
I'm starting to wonder if they intend to do a redesign which is the reason for this delay.

If you look back at the PowerPC to Intel switch they used the same design for the first generation of MacBook Pro's as the PowerBooks. Then later in 2008 they redesigned them.

Now with the Retina line they spoke a lot about a next generation MacBook Pro, something forward thinking, well it used the same design. Same keyboard, same speakers, same style. It was thinner, it didn't have an optical bay, it had new vents but in general it looks the same just thinner and at a quick glance it is difficult to tell the rMBP and the normal MBP apart unless you really pay attention.

Now I'm thinking are they going to do the same thing again? Launch a redesign like they did with the Unibody MacBook Pro's after initially doing internal updates. And by that I mean Retina display, SSD Stick storage, Soldered Memory. It is quite a big change much like the PowerPC to Intel transition was internally.

Food for thought. In any event, redesign or not I'm looking forward to the new notebooks. Still holding out for the Haswell, PCIe SSD, 802.11ac equipped Retina MacBook Pro of my dreams.
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I have to agree, for them not to update the cMBP or refresh the rMBP with Haswell yet, they are in the lab perfecting a total redesign of the MBPs. Here's hoping that it will be worth the wait. So the Sept/Oct timeline seems more accurate than this summer, tough to swallow, but Im starting to believe its true (about the timeline that is).
 
When I started looking at rMBP's on Apple's website last week, they listed a 2.5 and 2.9GHz processors. When we went to the Apple store two days ago, they only had 2.6 and 2.9 GHz rMBP's in the store. It's stated on the box, and also on the computer's properties file. I just looked again at Apple's site, and they don't have a 13" rMBP with a 2.6GHz processor listed. More of the silent upgrading? All I know is the model we bought is fantastic, and switching over to OS X couldn't have been easier.

We looked at the Air, and it's screen is an abomination. The non-retina MBP has a screen that makes the new Air look like 1990's tech, so I don't see what the Haswell fuss is all about with that device. We thought about waiting for the "upgrade", but the 13" rMBP with a 2.6GHz processor is speedy and does what we need it to do. It makes my two year old Windows PC feel like garbage.
 
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