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bobbydd21 said:
I really don't see them resdesigning them at all. People with current retina macbook pros, who supposively bought "the best" computer on the market, would be outraged if they were completely changed a year later. It especially would not happen since Haswell really isn't a huge upgrade from the current processors. Im sorry but many of the other theories on this post as to why apple is taking so long seem to be much more plausible.
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And yet Apple has done this before with the cMBP to the uMBP's

First gen buyers always get burned. I had a Classic style MacBook Pro then the next year they redesigned them with the Unibody. Apple doesn't care about people being pissed off they care about making the best computers.

Did the iPhone 5 redesign piss off iPhone 4S owners who thought they had the best phone? Come on, be logical.
 
B... said:
The leaked Geekbenchmark showed a 13" rMBP with 5100, not Iris Pro.
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Yes and what makes you think they will only release the 13" with 1 CPU sort?
There may be options with both. And they wouldent release half the lineup then 4 weeks later fill out with the rest of the cpu options.

Quu said:
And yet Apple has done this before with the cMBP to the uMBP's

First gen buyers always get burned. I had a Classic style MacBook Pro then the next year they redesigned them with the Unibody. Apple doesn't care about people being pissed off they care about making the best computers.

Did the iPhone 5 redesign piss off iPhone 4S owners who thought they had the best phone? Come on, be logical.
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What do people expect?
Why would they not redesign if they wanted to? Its like telling car makers "You cant redesign your car for next year cos then my newly bought car will look older".
Most brands do yearly redesigns. To attract more sales. Apple buyers have been spoiled with them keeping the same design for longer periods.
People want to stand out with their new hardware. They don't want it to look just like the previous models. So a redesign when its possible is the best way to go.
 
B... said:
The leaked Geekbenchmark showed a 13" rMBP with 5100, not Iris Pro.
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Well if you ask me, the leaked benchmark actually shows the non-retina 13" cMBP.

Just look at the DDR3 RAM it uses ... that's what the 13" IB cMBP is using. The 1st gen 13" rMBP uses the DDR3L RAM and it's unlikely Apple is going to take a step back on this one.

Just my 0.02

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zOlid said:
Yes and what makes you think they will only release the 13" with 1 CPU sort?
There may be options with both. And they wouldent release half the lineup then 4 weeks later fill out with the rest of the cpu options.

there isn't any dual core Iris Pro, the only option is to go for other Iris 5100 variants.

What do people expect?
Why would they not redesign if they wanted to? Its like telling car makers "You cant redesign your car for next year cos then my newly bought car will look older".
Most brands do yearly redesigns. To attract more sales. Apple buyers have been spoiled with them keeping the same design for longer periods.
People want to stand out with their new hardware. They don't want it to look just like the previous models. So a redesign when its possible is the best way to go.

people are comfortable with two year redesigns, at least for ipads and iphones.
samsung have to keep redesign their phone every year to keep up with the sales.
besides, have you heard about the motto "don't change the winning formula" ?

in terms of design, i don't see any strong competitors from the four-paned-glass brands

look at these models :
zenbook? samsung series 9? hp spectre?

they all tried HARD to imitate macbook's designs
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sofianito said:
Apple is surely an Intel's platinum customer!...
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I'm dying for a Pentium G3420 AYE ;)

Core i7-4771, Core i5-4440, Core i5-4440S, Core i3-4340, Core i3-4330, Core i3-4330T, Core i3-4130, Core i3-4130T, Pentium G3430, Pentium G3420, Pentium G3220, Pentium G3420T and Pentium G3220T
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Don't expect Iris Pro (at least 13") until next year when they'll refresh Haswell, Haswell v2!
 
As a 1st time buyer for a Mac waiting to buy a 15" rMBP Haswell not sure if to just go and buy a 13" retina base model and try Osx out and get a feel for it then return it within the 14 days before I shell out over £2000 for a higher spec rMBP V2
 
hammm said:
Well if you ask me, the leaked benchmark actually shows the non-retina 13" cMBP.

Just look at the DDR3 RAM it uses ... that's what the 13" IB cMBP is using. The 1st gen 13" rMBP uses the DDR3L RAM and it's unlikely Apple is going to take a step back on this one.

Just my 0.02

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Geekbench is unaware of memory voltages. It can't tell the difference between DDR3 @ 1.5V or 1.35V or lower for LPDDR3.
 
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Uliman said:
Those processors are 47W TDP; is the rMBP 13" limited to 28W TDP (not considering battery life here)?

The top of the line current rMBP runs a i7-3540M processor which is 35W TDP. My guess is that 47W TDP would be too much for this chassis.
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These quad-core CPUs (47W) are for the 15" rMBP model. The 13" will have dual core CPUs (28W).
 
Agent-P said:
Apple could put 5100 in the 13" model and Iris Pro in the 15" model to keep them differentiated. And the 13" Pro is supposed to be the "lower end" (I use this term loosely) one in the lineup.
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They can't put the Iris Pro in the 13" since it only comes on the higher tdp 47W quad cores. There will be a 2.4 and 2.6 i5 with Iris 5100 and a 2.8 i7 with Iris 5100 for the 13". That's not based on any source other than inferring from the the announced intel skus.

The 15" is a little more tricky to predict since the Iris Pro only goes up to 2.4 speed. I still think apple will either only use the HD 4600 + dGPU for the 15" line up, or offer two main options: 2.3 w/ iris pro or 2.8 with 4600 + dGPU.

I've been holding off for the upgraded 13" rmbp. Even though mavricks will improve the UI on the existing hd 4000, that igpu was never meant to power a hires screen. The 5100 should do a much better job.
 
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smakdown61 said:
They can't put the Iris Pro in the 13" since it only comes on the higher tdp 47W quad cores. There will be a 2.4 and 2.6 i5 with Iris 5100 and a 2.8 i7 with Iris 5100 for the 13". That's not based on any source other than inferring from the the announced intel skus.

The 15" is a little more tricky to predict since the Iris Pro only goes up to 2.4 speed. I still think apple will either only use the HD 4600 + dGPU for the 15" line up, or offer two main options: 2.3 w/ iris pro or 2.8 with 4600 + dGPU.

I've been holding off for the upgraded 13" rmbp. Even though mavricks will improve the UI on the existing hd 4000, that igpu was never meant to power a hires screen. The 5100 should do a much better job.
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You could also see this in a 13":
i7-4558U
4M Cache, 2.8Ghz up to 3.30 GHz Turbo, 28W TDP, Intel Iris HD5100
graphics (1.2Ghz max clock, dual slice GT3)

Source: http://ultrabooknews.com/2013/06/05...listed-tops-out-at-3-3ghz-with-gpu-surprises/
 
smakdown61 said:
They can't put the Iris Pro in the 13" since it only comes on the higher tdp 47W quad cores. There will be a 2.4 and 2.6 i5 with Iris 5100 and a 2.8 i7 with Iris 5100 for the 13". That's not based on any source other than inferring from the the announced intel skus.

The 15" is a little more tricky to predict since the Iris Pro only goes up to 2.4 speed. I still think apple will either only use the HD 4600 + dGPU for the 15" line up, or offer two main options: 2.3 w/ iris pro or 2.8 with 4600 + dGPU.

I've been holding off for the upgraded 13" rmbp. Even though mavricks will improve the UI on the existing hd 4000, that igpu was never meant to power a hires screen. The 5100 should do a much better job.
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I'm very scared Apple may put just the Iris Pro, with no dGPU in the 15" rMBP. The argument of course will be " well you're not supposed to use it for gaming" and "But look how thin they've made it, and look how long the battery lasts". This long wait on an update may very well be trying to thin out the chassis by using the Iris Pro.

The Iris PRO is showing to underperform the 650m. If they decided to go with only iris pro, and exclude a dGPU would likely cause me to settle on the Retina with 650m until they realized the backlash from the Professional Community.
 
smoking monkey said:
Yes! Japanese doesn't allow foreigners to bring 13" computers into the country! Be warned everyone! No foreigners with 13" MacBookPro computers will be allowed through immigration! :eek:

On a serious note... Why do you need a 15 for Japan and 13 for where you are now? ???
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I work in Sweden as a photographer (well, while studying) and here at home I have my quad core desktop with 27" IPS displays. However, I'm moving to Japan for a year to study (while working with my company in Sweden with the post processing parts) and I can't bring my desktop setup - which means I need a good desktop replacement to keep working. Of course, the 13" is decently speedy, but 15" is the smallest real estate I want to work on semi-permanently and I'd appreciate a bigger SSD than 128GB.
 
denichidesigns said:
I'm very scared Apple may put just the Iris Pro, with no dGPU in the 15" rMBP. The argument of course will be " well you're not supposed to use it for gaming" and "But look how thin they've made it, and look how long the battery lasts". This long wait on an update may very well be trying to thin out the chassis by using the Iris Pro.

The Iris PRO is showing to underperform the 650m. If they decided to go with only iris pro, and exclude a dGPU would likely cause me to settle on the Retina with 650m until they realized the backlash from the Professional Community.
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I highly doubt they will go with only the Iris Pro for the entire 15" lineup. The delays in the refresh are bc the majority of the processors shipping Q3. The only ones readily available are the HD 4600 equipped ones for the 15". That means they are holding the 15" refresh back just to time up with the 13" refresh or they are waiting for an Iris Pro cpu as the new "low end" mbp with the high end using 4600 + dgpu.
 
smakdown61 said:
They can't put the Iris Pro in the 13" since it only comes on the higher tdp 47W quad cores. There will be a 2.4 and 2.6 i5 with Iris 5100 and a 2.8 i7 with Iris 5100 for the 13". That's not based on any source other than inferring from the the announced intel skus.

The 15" is a little more tricky to predict since the Iris Pro only goes up to 2.4 speed. I still think apple will either only use the HD 4600 + dGPU for the 15" line up, or offer two main options: 2.3 w/ iris pro or 2.8 with 4600 + dGPU.

I've been holding off for the upgraded 13" rmbp. Even though mavricks will improve the UI on the existing hd 4000, that igpu was never meant to power a hires screen. The 5100 should do a much better job.
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If those are the processors used in the 13-inch, sounds absolutely fine to me. I'm really looking forward to the 5100.

It looks like things will be a huge improvement for the 13, but not so much for the 15.
 
PDFierro said:
If those are the processors used in the 13-inch, sounds absolutely fine to me. I'm really looking forward to the 5100.

It looks like things will be a huge improvement for the 13, but not so much for the 15.
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it looks like things will be very bland for both actually. maybe next year we will see some improvements, with maxwell and the new gcn for the 15 and for the 13 a quad finally
 
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