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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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SnackTime said:
Having Iris Pro only is not only possible, but logical in a lot of ways.

Going by the test results on Anandtech, the ECC memory in the Iris Pro makes it far better suited for compute tasks than the 650m. Granted, it would take a performance hit in gaming scenarios, but this isn't a gaming focused product.

It remains to be seen how it would stack up to a more modern discrete GPU, but Intel designed Crystalwell to be future proof for a while and I wouldn't be surprised if it remained better, or on par, with dGPUs in compute oriented tasks. Even without a dGPU in the refresh, Apple will still be able to claim some pretty lofty performance increase margins if they go by benchmarks oriented around professional related tasks.

Whether or not Apple does go that route remains to be seen, obviously, but if it lacks a dGPU I won't be upset as long as the laptop is better at doing what it was designed to do...
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I think you have it backward.

Memory bandwidth is one of the main bottlenecks for Iris that Iris Pro "somewhat" remedies by integrating 128MB directly onto the CPU die.

But Iris Pro's advantage in computing performance over the 650M is because nVidia hasn't been up to snuff with software support for OpenCL. ALL of nVidia's GPUs (not just the 650M) suffer from bad OpenCL performance compared to competitors. This shouldn't matter much because not a lot of applications support OpenCL yet.

Move on to OpenGL (which is used in a lot of professional applications, like AutoCAD, Maya, Photoshop, etc...), and it's a different story. 650M completely demolishes Iris Pro in both performance and compatibility.

It doesn't take gaming to realize the performance benefits of a dedicated GPU in the rMBP.
 
Livewings said:
I don't think so.
I think they're waiting on the Iris Pros.

Having Iris Pro + Dedicated GPU allows the notebook to be mostly dependent on Iris while the most intense of tasks can still be worked on the dedicated GPU. Having this allows Apple to claim a higher battery life.
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People need to scroll back, I made a pretty blatant posts that says Iris Pro chips are ALREADY out. They came out on 1st of July 2013, just in time for BTS. But what remains to be known is that they were in actual fact not ready for WWDC, they could be waiting for other things too, but there's no more waiting on the chips.
 
Lunfai said:
People need to scroll back, I made a pretty blatant posts that says Iris Pro chips are ALREADY out. They came out on 1st of July 2013, just in time for BTS. But what remains to be known is that they were in actual fact not ready for WWDC, they could be waiting for other things too, but there's no more waiting on the chips.
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So Mon or Tue :apple: will announce new MBP Retina? :D
 
bill-p said:
If the dGPU in the next rMBP is faster than the 650M, then it won't just be 20-30%. It'll be close to 50% or more.

Seriously, Iris Pro is NOT even comparable to 650M in the current rMBP 15". It's slower than stock 650M, and the rMBP 15" has an overclocked 650M.
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I still don't see the benefit of using Iris Pro (as iGPU) AND a dedicated graphic chip. I guess that the HD4600 in the standard Quadcores (MQ) is strong enough to handle the UI with light use, for everything else there is the dedicated.
It only adds cost, but no performance

Livewings said:
I already said CLAIM A HIGHER BATTERY LIFE with a HIGHER DEPENDENCE on the integrated GPU.

By having a dedicated GPU WITH ITS SIDE, Apple can also claim HIGHER PERFORMANCE.

Having IRIS PRO only is NOT POSSIBLE which means a stagnancy on CPU performance and LOWER GPU performance.

Don't BS about cost. MBA2013 CPU cost is $117 higher than the previous gen.
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As far as I know the battery life test are done with integrated GPU, so Iris Pro would not make a huge difference. About cost: according to anandtech OEMs claim, that Iris Pro alone is at least as expensive as a powerful quadcore and a 650m/750m combined. Adding the dGPU to that and we are not talking about 100$...
 
ka-spot said:
Why?
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a) They could be waiting for better manufacturing for screens. (Quality, not IGZO)
b) Waiting for Thunderbolt 2 (unlikely)
c) Revised the design (unlikely) or slightly redesigned the current (likely for 13")
d) BTS just launched, they want to get rid of existing stock (likely)
e) They're still manufacturing and stock piling stock (likely)
f) Waiting for IGZO (manufacturing/supply/stockpiling)(unlikely > October)
g) Waiting for Mavericks (likely > October)

All because they have the processors, doesn't mean they won't delay them. Like I've said in this thread so many times, expect them in late-July/August. If not, then maybe October (It could happen). I'm making an assumption that we'll see something closer (around, not specifically on the date) to the Q3 Profit announcement.
 
Lunfai said:
a) They could be waiting for better manufacturing for screens. (Quality, not IGZO)
b) Waiting for Thunderbolt 2 (unlikely)
c) Revised the design (unlikely) or slightly redesigned the current (likely for 13")
d) BTS just launched, they want to get rid of existing stock (likely)
e) They're still manufacturing and stock piling stock (likely)
f) Waiting for IGZO (manufacturing/supply/stockpiling)(unlikely > October)
g) Waiting for Mavericks (likely > October)

All because they have the processors, doesn't mean they won't delay them. Like I've said in this thread so many times, expect them in late-July/August. If not, then maybe October (It could happen). I'm making an assumption that we'll see something closer (around, not specifically on the date) to the Q3 Profit announcement.
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just waiting... i don't believe it. if they are only waiting then they are loosing money... they can release now haswell retinas and sell them well. when "waiting for" part is ready they release october's update and sell it too. there is no money in waiting.
 
Lunfai said:
a) They could be waiting for better manufacturing for screens. (Quality, not IGZO)
b) Waiting for Thunderbolt 2 (unlikely)
c) Revised the design (unlikely) or slightly redesigned the current (likely for 13")
d) BTS just launched, they want to get rid of existing stock (likely)
e) They're still manufacturing and stock piling stock (likely)
f) Waiting for IGZO (manufacturing/supply/stockpiling)(unlikely > October)
g) Waiting for Mavericks (likely > October)

All because they have the processors, doesn't mean they won't delay them. Like I've said in this thread so many times, expect them in late-July/August. If not, then maybe October (It could happen). I'm making an assumption that we'll see something closer (around, not specifically on the date) to the Q3 Profit announcement.
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I agree 100%. If they are released this month, the earliest will be AFTER the earnings call. Apple doesn't release products in between when they announce the date of the call and the call itself.

If not this summer, then Oct. Sept is iPhone/iPod month.
 
Lunfai said:
People need to scroll back, I made a pretty blatant posts that says Iris Pro chips are ALREADY out. They came out on 1st of July 2013, just in time for BTS. But what remains to be known is that they were in actual fact not ready for WWDC, they could be waiting for other things too, but there's no more waiting on the chips.
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Hmmm Hmmm...

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Lunfai said:
I wouldn't expect until end of July / August. No September, and then maybe October.
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Watch out Mid-August... ;)
 
sofianito said:
Hmmm Hmmm...

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Watch out Mid-August... ;)
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This could be the reason as to why they were not announced at WWDC, processors were not available and plus Apple needs time to test them with their cMBP and rMBPs. They may place the following in the rMBP

Base: Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)
Mid: Intel® Core™ i7-4800MQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz)
Best: Intel® Core™ i7-4900MQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz)

As for the cMBP (if they do decide to hold on to them) may receive

Base: Intel® Core™ i7-4750HQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.20 GHz)
Mid: Intel® Core™ i7-4850HQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.50 GHz)
Best: Intel® Core™ i7-4950HQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.60 GHz)

or vice versa :)

ALL SPECULATION...
 
APPLE-FANATIC said:
This could be the reason as to why they were not announced at WWDC, processors were not available and plus Apple needs time to test them with their cMBP and rMBPs. They may place the following in the rMBP

Base: Intel® Core™ i7-4700MQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.40 GHz)
Mid: Intel® Core™ i7-4800MQ Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.70 GHz)
Best: Intel® Core™ i7-4900MQ Processor (8M Cache, up to 3.80 GHz)
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These have the HD 4600 graphics. There's absolutely no way Apple's going to put these in the rMBP and put the higher end in the cMBP
 
gt94 said:
So you can exchange your laptop within 14 days, right? Because I'm planning on getting one early-mid August.
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Hehe smart boy, I won't encourage you to do so because it is not morally correct to abuse Apple's return policy in order to "rent for free" a notebook until the model you expect is released... What if my forecast is wrong and the haswell model is released in September? Patience is a virtue ;)
 
sofianito said:
Hehe smart boy, I won't encourage you to do so because it is not morally correct to abuse Apple's return policy in order to "rent for free" a notebook until the model you expect is released... What if my forecast is wrong and the haswell model is released in September? Patience is a virtue ;)
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I need a laptop for college, which starts in August. I'll take my chances. I'm not trying to abuse Apple's return policy, I just don't want to spend over $1000 and have something better released 2 weeks later.
 
Livewings said:
Having Iris Pro + Dedicated GPU allows the notebook to be mostly dependent on Iris while the most intense of tasks can still be worked on the dedicated GPU. Having this allows Apple to claim a higher battery life.
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Again, at the expense of CPU. Iris Pro is not a for free upgrade, it comes at a CPU speed hit.

Using an HD4600 could actually result in better battery life. An HD4600 consumes less power than an Iris Pro.

Iris Pro is also much more expensive.

So we're looking at a slower, more expensive CPU that consumes more battery life, to make up for a dGPU that is already on the machine. It simply doesn't make sense. Any intensive application is going to kick the Macbook Pro onto the dGPU anyway, so what's the point of Iris?

Again, it makes sense on the 13". Not so much on the 15".
 
APPLE-FANATIC said:
Yep, you are correct....didnt think about that part :eek:
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Yes, 4600 is fine, still step up, it's going to feature dedicated graphics card too for more intensive tasks.

OR it'll have Iris Pro. I don't think it'll have Iris Pro AND a dedicated graphics so it's either one of the other.
 
Watabou said:
These have the HD 4600 graphics. There's absolutely no way Apple's going to put these in the rMBP and put the higher end in the cMBP
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i don't see why its not possible, besides the 15 inch have dedicated graphics as well to handle heavy tasks.

they would have a hard time justifying the power difference between HD5200 and (lets say) 750M.

HD4000 + 650M have huge performance difference though.
 
I guess you're right. We'll just have to wait and see what Apple ends up doing. I hope Apple ends up putting the 5200 anyways + 750/760M. :p
 
Lunfai said:
I wouldn't expect until end of July / August. No September, and then maybe October.
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This has got to be the dumbest post I've ever read.... so you're saying if it's not this month, it'll be next month, and if not that month, the one after? No ****.

I pulled the trigger on a 15" rmbp. 8-9 hr battery life with mavericks sounds good enough to me.
 
vespid said:
This has got to be the dumbest post I've ever read.... so you're saying if it's not this month, it'll be next month, and if not that month, the one after? No ****.

I pulled the trigger on a 15" rmbp. 8-9 hr battery life with mavericks sounds good enough to me.
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Geesh, give the guy a break....I have seen far worse/dumba** comments within this thread!
 
vespid said:
This has got to be the dumbest post I've ever read.... so you're saying if it's not this month, it'll be next month, and if not that month, the one after? No ****.

I pulled the trigger on a 15" rmbp. 8-9 hr battery life with mavericks sounds good enough to me.
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I don't even think that is what he was saying...
 
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