Let me know if I'm wrong but I don't think the cMBP will be discontinued with this update. I don't know it will get haswell but I think it will still be around. I feel if they drop them then it would require reducing the price of the rMBP more than I think they want to. I think this because there would be to big a price gap in the MacBook line up. I think we would need a price drop of $100 on the 13" and maybe $300 on the retina. I'm no expert though
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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hmm....even if they refresh macs on earnings call.....
wouldn't apple stores be busy on upcoming weeks till mid-august maybe?
well, its good for customers ..but not for employees
My thought has been for July 24 -26....otherwise it's October. Would be good of Mr. Cook to say on the 23rd..."and available this Friday at all our Apple stores, the new Macbook Pro with Haswell processors"
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hmm....even if they refresh macs on earnings call.....
wouldn't apple stores be busy on upcoming weeks till mid-august maybe?
well, its good for customers ..but not for employees
I think the August slow down for Apple is for the Infinite Loop campus and not retail stores. And isn't most of the work getting a new or updated model done well before its release?
Just rationalizing how Apple could release new rMBP's at the very end of this month and still get their rest
After reading the entire thread, I can finally comment on this!
I am also a student awaiting the Haswell refresh, attending sixth form / college to be precise.
I doubt Ill be giving up on the wait as the more I wait, the more I plan to stick to Haswell as I fear is have wasted all that time.
The release date doesn't affect me to bad actually. Seeing as I'm able to purchase a new rMBP near the end of August. Return to school in September and my birthdays approaches on October, meaning I could max spec a 15 rMBP. May as well be my first Mac so I'm excited.
One questions that's been itching me is the fact that, why are people so sure that they won't run an Iris Pro and dGPU?
Just because it's more expensive, doesn't mean Apple won't do it. It makes sense as well, seeing as the dGPU can be used less, increasing battery life. Also, how do we not know we might not get the options to not have a dGPU?
Also, I'm not very up to date with Macs but I am with iPhones. Having owned one from day 1, they don't really move prices. Is this the same for MBP's? If they bump the base range up, say a larger SSD, will the price increase?
I am also a student awaiting the Haswell refresh, attending sixth form / college to be precise.
I doubt Ill be giving up on the wait as the more I wait, the more I plan to stick to Haswell as I fear is have wasted all that time.
The release date doesn't affect me to bad actually. Seeing as I'm able to purchase a new rMBP near the end of August. Return to school in September and my birthdays approaches on October, meaning I could max spec a 15 rMBP. May as well be my first Mac so I'm excited.
One questions that's been itching me is the fact that, why are people so sure that they won't run an Iris Pro and dGPU?
Just because it's more expensive, doesn't mean Apple won't do it. It makes sense as well, seeing as the dGPU can be used less, increasing battery life. Also, how do we not know we might not get the options to not have a dGPU?
Also, I'm not very up to date with Macs but I am with iPhones. Having owned one from day 1, they don't really move prices. Is this the same for MBP's? If they bump the base range up, say a larger SSD, will the price increase?
I am hoping they still stick with a dGPU but does seem odd if they have Iris Pro and a dGPU. HD4600 and dGPU would of seemed better and probably about the same price bracket.
Would expect a slight price drop TBH the new air Haswell that CPU is more expensive compared to the old one and they dropped the price on that
Removing the dGPU at this stage of integrated graphics progress is dumb, but Apple is known for doing these things before. However having both the dGPU (likely the 750m if it is included) would be expensive and redundant. Best case scenario is that Apple offers an Iris Pro and a dGPU version for this GPU transition phase. Bottom line is that we don't know anything at this point. I'm personally waiting till the week of July 23, then it will be clear whether Apple plans to wait until October.
Yes it is dumb. Incredibly dumb. I understand that it is much more expensive doing it this way but this is advertised as a power system.
Ads and showcases show so called professionals use this (editors / photographers) so I doubt they'd downgrade their whole line.
Ads and showcases show so called professionals use this (editors / photographers) so I doubt they'd downgrade their whole line.
You can buy one right now from Apple with the education discount for the same price and you get a $100 iTunes gift card.
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I can almost guarantee you we will only see the rMBP in October unfortunately, but there is always a small possibility
Buy now or wait for Haswell ?
Hello,
It is time to upgrade/replace my current laptop and I am planning to make the switch to OSX because I really dont want to use Windows 8.
So I am hopeful someone can lend some advice.
Option 1) Purchase current rMBP 2.7/16/512 model.
Option 2) Wait for Haswell whenever it drops
I'd like to get some opinion on what the risk is here. I kind of need a laptop now and think i can live with wireless N. The extra battery life doesnt matter to me so much as I will be using it primarily where i have accesss to AC power.
Is there something i am missing between the current version and the expected haswell specs that would support waiting an additional 3-4 months to purchase ?
Thanks
Hello,
It is time to upgrade/replace my current laptop and I am planning to make the switch to OSX because I really dont want to use Windows 8.
So I am hopeful someone can lend some advice.
Option 1) Purchase current rMBP 2.7/16/512 model.
Option 2) Wait for Haswell whenever it drops
I'd like to get some opinion on what the risk is here. I kind of need a laptop now and think i can live with wireless N. The extra battery life doesnt matter to me so much as I will be using it primarily where i have accesss to AC power.
Is there something i am missing between the current version and the expected haswell specs that would support waiting an additional 3-4 months to purchase ?
Thanks
If that's the case, won't everyone who bought a rMBP for BTS just return their machine for an upgraded one? That doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm more inclined to believe we all have to wait until after BTS and iPhone announcement are over, so more like Oct-Nov.
There's been talks about a new GPU as Apple will either include the HD 5200 on the rMBP or the HD 4600 + dGPU (such as the 750M).
Apple will also most likely include the faster PCIe based SSD which is much faster than the current SSDs in the current rMBP.
If none of that interests you and you need the laptop now, I would just go with the current model, it's a fantastic computer.
I think most of us are waiting for the battery life boost + GPU upgrade.
If Apple chooses to refresh rMBPs late July, it's likely cMBPs (most popular) will not be refreshed, and simply discontinued when stock runs out, just like the white MacBooks.
Those are indeed the CPU and GPU options for the 15".
Option 1: Slightly slower CPU + HD 5200
Option 2: Slightly faster CPU + HD 4600 + dGPU
The crazy thing is that, while option 2 vastly improves every spec of the current rMBP, Apple is likely to go with option 1. That's what all the signs are pointing to anyway.
That option will increase battery life a lot, while option 2 will only slightly increase battery life compared to the current rMBP. The question is: what would customers want?
I would definitely want option 2. Or option 1 with a dGPU.
Not putting you on the spot but you can't just say "those are the options". Unless you're a secret employee?
No one knows that will go on. For all we know, that may be one model they benchmarked and have a more customisable MBP line.
Not really option 1 is confirmed as the leaked benchmark is the
4950HQ is the model that was included in the leaked benchmark, it's basically an Iris Pro with a lower clock speed of the 4900HQ.
He's saying that maybe this configuration is one option whilst another would be a dGPU with the 4900HQ as the top-of-the-line model. Wither they'll mix and match these options with the other processors (4700HQ,4750HQ,4800HQ,4850HQ) is unknown, but that's all he's saying. They usually have a 3 line configuration for (base, mid, best). So I think it'll be one or the other (Hence why, I think it's Iris Pro only because the 4950HQ was included, instead of the 4900HQ + reports that no dGPU was detected).
From what I understood, this is simply a report to investors from Tim Cook.
Has Apple released a product during an earnings call before?
Does anyone know if 10.8.5 or the latest Mavericks have a kext for the Nvidia 750m (or 760m or 780m)?
If they have a kext for it then it would be possible that the higher-end MBPr would have an Nvidia GPU.
Note: I don't believe that the higher end MBPr will not have a dGPU. I think the Intel Iris is mediocre for a $3k notebook. It scores decent against the 650m which is last year GPU.
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If they have a kext for it then it would be possible that the higher-end MBPr would have an Nvidia GPU.
Note: I don't believe that the higher end MBPr will not have a dGPU. I think the Intel Iris is mediocre for a $3k notebook. It scores decent against the 650m which is last year GPU.
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Yeah, I saw that later....
Anyways, IF apple were to release it during the summer, that is the most probable time. However It's the middle of summer so many people have already bought there computers. Also, it seems logical to wait until Mavericks and release the laptops with the release.
If you haven't already heard, there was a geekbench benchmark that surfaced of what appears to be a haswell rMBP. It shows a modest gain in cpu performance but it has IRIS PRO. This pretty much puts the nail in the coffin for a dGPU in the next gen rMBP. There is a chance that apple might make a version with a dGPU, but it would probably be a top of the line model and be rather costly.
Here is a comparison of the Haswell rMBP benchmark and the base current rMBP benchmark
http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/compare/2139563/2154073
As you can tell there is about a 1100 point difference between the two
Other versions:
2.4 Haswell (6mb cache): 12497___Difference
2.8 Ivy: 12401 ___ 96
2.7 (6mb cache): 12045 ___452
2.7 (8mb cache): 12014___483
2.6: 11668___ 829
2.4: 11168 ___1329
2.3: 10775 ___1772
We can use the 1329 difference to predict the new high end model prices (there are probably benchmarks of the higher end processors but whatever)
(hypothetical) 2.8 Haswell: 13730
(hypothetical) 2.7 Haswell: 13374
Note the fact that the leaked haswell rmbp benchmark is running Mavericks, so that might affect the scores.
Does anyone know how much of an impact 1300 points is on things like general use, gaming, photo editing, etc? Because it is a good jump but doesn't seem that significant, but maybe it is, correct me if I'm wrong...
It also has 16gb of ram by default.
So either wait and get around 1000 points in more cpu power, but less gpu power (or, if there is dGPU high end option, pay lots more money), faster ssd, more battery life and 802.11ac.
Or get a refurb/discounted one now with a better gpu, a marginally slower cpu, and maybe more storage space. 512 might be the baseline now. (note that the baseline for the 11 inch air went from 64gb to 128)
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