I do not expect the rMBP to have the 765M as the Razer Blade/Pro has, though the Iris Pro alone is simply not good enough to warrant two grand.
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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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Here would be a top view of the white Macbook Pro that I described earlier. This depiction doesn't look as good as the one above but still it looks pretty in my opinion. However, I highly doubt apple would make such a design change.
Macs aren't hardcore gaming devices, but there's quite a selection of light games available for Mac (e.g. Starcraft, Civilization, LoL, and soon DotA2). There's nothing wrong with adding a decent GPU to run some of these, it is a $2k top-of-the-line device, after all.
I'm currently running Mavericks, so this may be different on Mountain Lion or Lion, but...
Photoshop, Sketchbook Pro, iOS Simulator, AutoCAD, Maya. Obviously any 3D game... like Diablo 3 or StarCraft 2.
Those are the only applications I know of that enable the dGPU. Those and also whenever an external display is plugged in via any port (HDMI or Thunderbolt/MiniDP).
Everything else runs on integrated. Yes, that includes Flash contents inside Safari.
Technically, that means that if you don't run any of those applications for hours at a time, having dGPU or not makes very little difference on battery life.
Looking at the prices it looks like for me that Config With Iris Pro will be cheaper than any dGPU offered now from 30W TDP Range. 300 dolars costed i7 3615QM last year, you think that dGPU would cost 80 dollars in this comparison? GT650M was at least 150 dollars. Look at the price of High end proc from Intel. 570 Dollars, plus 150 gives you way over the price of Haswell with Iris Pro. I think thats what made Apple the decision to go with iGPU for rMBP instead of dGPU...
If they will not lower the price of the computer... IMO rMBP with Iris Pro and without the dGPU will now be WORTH not more than 1800 Dollars for base laptop. Not more.
If they will not lower the price of the computer... IMO rMBP with Iris Pro and without the dGPU will now be WORTH not more than 1800 Dollars for base laptop. Not more.
Except that by removing the dGPU there is physically more space in the machine, to be filled with battery capacity.
Also, if you dont run any of those applications for hours at a time, the general graphical performance will be much better with a 5200 than a 4600.
Well, IMO, a 15.4″ rMBP at 2.4 GHz with Iris Pro, a 512 GB PCIe flash drive, 16 GB RAM soldered onto the board for extremely low latency, a 2880×1800 IPS display with all the first-run production problems fixed, 802.11ac wireless, an HDMI port that can output full resolution, and all-day battery life, is easily worth $2,399.
Of course, Id be likely to opt for the 2.3 GHz version, which Id peg as being worth $2,199.
If they put in IGZO and Thunderbolt 2, Id say another $200 more.
But if they go with 4600 + 750m, cutting the battery capacity and everyday graphic performance, then it would be worth $200 less to me.
2.7 Ghz with HD4600 is not gonna give you battery performance as good as the one with Iris Pro? Its the same power consumption on processor. What if dGPU will be switched off all the time running on battery?
How on earth people can miss that point? Everybody seems to forget one thing. If Apple will go for 70W TDP in with Iris Pro - bye bye everyday battery life. If they will not? Even at the same TDP as last year it will be still behind the performance as last year graphics, but look, there will be the same battery life as last year. getting to 55W TDP - ok better performance in Battery, but even worse performance in graphics.
Im just not buying the Iris Pro thinking. Its not the Iris Pro making Miracles in battery life. Its processor and its low power states.
Thats why i think that Apple is going for Iris Pro because its... cheaper to buy and produce laptop with just one processor, not two.
Edit. About the battery capacity. Check the rMBP construction and Battery. battery is on bottom of laptop and dGPU is on top. Yeah, for sure they will put there more battery. Second. You will not cut the battery capacity, cause im sure that, if they will, they will put the same sized dGPU in rMBP. Only working with OS and getting the Haswell Processor would give you 12 hours of battery life.
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$189 for .1ghz more (2.3-2.4)? Not even more cache or anything? I thought apple's BTO options were ripoffs....that's just ridiculous
Guess 2.4ghz won't be baseline...so here is what I think the models could be...
A:
Base: 2.0ghz
Mid: 2.3ghz
High: 2.4ghz
B: (see edit)
Base: 2.3
Mid: 2.7 with dGPU or 2.4 iris (the cpu is cheaper but you have to include the cost of the dGPU)
High: 2.8ghz with dGPU
Having intergrated on the base model wouldn't be that out of the ordinary, apple did it twice in 2009 with the iMac and MBP
EDIT: I realized the B option would contradict the geek bench results since they had a 2.4ghz processor. Maybe they would have 2.4 ghz iris be mid-range?
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But not faster than the Haswell chips that lack Iris Pro.
Apple has always offered some kind of processor upgrade on their MacBook Pros what are they going to offer this time? 2.4GHz Iris Pro is already the fastest one Intel sell. Are they going to offer the slower 4850HQ or even the 4750HQ as the base CPU with the 4950HQ as a BTO option?
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This makes perfect sense and I agree.
I think option B is what we will see. There might not be much of a price difference but it offers those who perhaps what better battery life the iris pro option and those who want a bit better gpu performance that option as well.
For those who say this isn't a real option because it would require two production lines I'm not so sure this is true. I don't think they would drastically alter the iris pro internals. It would be more along the lines of just leaving the gnu out and perhaps some empty space. There is empty space in the 13" retina. Also, they did this with the least expensive ipod touch a few months ago. Granted and ipod is a much smaller and less expensive product than the rMBP but it still set a small precedence.
But, i'm only speculating.
I would hope very soon! It is a little upsetting that we have nothing yet besides the geek bench leaks.
Then again, Apple has been known to hit us with something out of nowhere, such as the iPad 4 which nobody saw coming.
Maybe chances are good that we will see a refresh after their earning call on the 23rd. If they dont arrive on that following Wednesday, the 24th, then I give up and buy into the Sept/Oct timeframe. I still cant imagine why the delay this time around. I dont recall Ivy Bridge taking this long
One thing bothers me. Apple for past two generations of MBP has given the possible best GPU they could put in the Thermals and power supply. That was Radeon HD6770M and now the GT650M.
And whats next step for Apple? Doing step back? I dont get it. All day battery is good thing in laptop, but wait. MBP isnt for video editing and stuff like that? For sure people are doing it on battery...
I think that there will be base model of rMBP which we will can configure the way we like.
From Apple perspective it gives a lot of benefits. People just can decide what they need, and order. So possibly the base model will be with only Processor with Iris Pro. It will probabbly start at 1799-1899. And there will be options to configure with i7 2.8 GHz and GT750M/Radeon HD8870M.
And whats next step for Apple? Doing step back? I dont get it. All day battery is good thing in laptop, but wait. MBP isnt for video editing and stuff like that? For sure people are doing it on battery...
I think that there will be base model of rMBP which we will can configure the way we like.
From Apple perspective it gives a lot of benefits. People just can decide what they need, and order. So possibly the base model will be with only Processor with Iris Pro. It will probabbly start at 1799-1899. And there will be options to configure with i7 2.8 GHz and GT750M/Radeon HD8870M.
I've heard that the 750m is pretty much the same as the 650m, but how does the 650m compare to the 8870m?
Its about the same as GTX760M with the thermals of GT650M. Unfortunatelly - AMD drivers for games are still a bit ****** so it lags a bit in behind. If AMD will catch up with them, it has potential to even beat GTX760M in these tasks.
And one more thing. GT750M has 118 mm2 HD8870M has 123 mm2 so its pretty much the same size
.But the question remains : has Apple ever released products during the earning calls or right after in the past?
I tend to agree with everyone saying October. What are they gonna call it? MacBook Pro (mid-2013) when we already have MacBook Pro (early 2013). Makes more sense to call it MacBook Pro (late 2013). A July/August release doesn't qualify for 'late' does it?
I tend to agree with everyone saying October. What are they gonna call it? MacBook Pro (mid-2013) when we already have MacBook Pro (early 2013). Makes more sense to call it MacBook Pro (late 2013). A July/August release doesn't qualify for 'late' does it?
February doesn't count as a refresh! They frequently update the MBP's half way through their cycle usually a 0.1GHz processor bump. Nothing substantial, nothing noteworthy of calling a refresh. I'd like to know if they've released anything after an earnings call too.
I'd say probably late July.
1. They already released benchmarks for both the 13 and 15, so they probably wouldn't have done that unless the product was almost ready. These were likely strategically leaked for marketing purposes. Otherwise, they could have waited for more optimizations to get a higher score.
Some may argue that the mac pro's benchmarks were also released, and it isn't coming out for a while. Some pretty big differences. First, they already released the release date for that product, so the marketing reasons are different. Second, it seems like the mac pro is basically ready, they're just waiting on thunderbolt 2 and probably getting their new USA assembly line ready.
2. It has been posted that other computers will have Iris Pro by the end of July. I would be highly surprised if Apple, the ones that wanted this chip in the first place and are probably buying the most of them, don't get first dibs. They were one of the first to release a product with the Iris 5000 (MBA), so it's reasonable to think that they'll release the rMBPs first too.
3. There's been a trend the last few years to release a product within a few days of this particular earnings call. I think it was 10.8 OSX last year.
4. The analyst posted on here a while ago seemed to think late July.
1. They already released benchmarks for both the 13 and 15, so they probably wouldn't have done that unless the product was almost ready. These were likely strategically leaked for marketing purposes. Otherwise, they could have waited for more optimizations to get a higher score.
Some may argue that the mac pro's benchmarks were also released, and it isn't coming out for a while. Some pretty big differences. First, they already released the release date for that product, so the marketing reasons are different. Second, it seems like the mac pro is basically ready, they're just waiting on thunderbolt 2 and probably getting their new USA assembly line ready.
2. It has been posted that other computers will have Iris Pro by the end of July. I would be highly surprised if Apple, the ones that wanted this chip in the first place and are probably buying the most of them, don't get first dibs. They were one of the first to release a product with the Iris 5000 (MBA), so it's reasonable to think that they'll release the rMBPs first too.
3. There's been a trend the last few years to release a product within a few days of this particular earnings call. I think it was 10.8 OSX last year.
4. The analyst posted on here a while ago seemed to think late July.
I saw the article and Kuo seems to think that Apple will release an updated rMBP including the thinner lighter model around the third quarter. Which means around this time.
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I've heard from a few different people that haswell processors are run significantly hotter than ivy bridge. This is a concern for me because I try to keep my laptop cool for obvious reasons. Maybe I would just be better off with a rMBP now :/.
As far as I know that is only for the desktop models. Mobile models are completely different.
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