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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I think they wanted to make a distinct difference between iMac and iMac Pro.
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Because they'd like to have a bulldozer with an Apple logo on it, but they can't.
All fair points. I just don't think they're going to do that, they're not stupid. They surely must know that their revenue potential on a machine that starts at 6k is much lower than one that starts at 3k-3500. I have a feeling the mMP will be somewhere in that price range.
Your parts cost seems about right, I'd say the base mMP will be that minus the display...so that seems like a good starting point to me whenever it finally shows its head. But I do hope that it's highly scalable, dual-socket, dual GPU, lots of I/O...really want them to retake dominance in the pro workstation market.
It's an insane AIO machine - at least in comparison to the AIO workstation offerings from companies like HP, Dell and Lenovo that come only with a quad-core i7 or Xeon E3 (which is Core i7 with ECC) options.
For an All-in-One it is an insane machine. There is no excuse for this. Apple actually have done something huge here, and expect that others will follow this way.
P.S. The only way they would make it better is by adding liquid cooling as thermal solution.
Just a side note to this non-replacement parts debate: Mac's have quite a good resale value. For me as an entrepreneur, it takes three years to remove the Mac from company's assets - through depreciation - and still it has a phenomenal 60-70% non-tax resale value. Where do you need replaceable parts, when you just re-sell the used machine every three years and buy a new one? Or if you notice before that the machine doesn't meet your needs, the price difference is still not much bigger than the spare parts...
But surely Mac's are not for us who like to tune their machines. Dinosaurs and specialised pros have to look elsewhere...
But surely Mac's are not for us who like to tune their machines. Dinosaurs and specialised pros have to look elsewhere...
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Slightly unrelated:
https://videocardz.com/newz/hp-omen-desktop-pc-to-ship-with-amd-vega-10
HP also brings Vega to their Omen lineup. Im wondering if you guys will spot the elephant in the room on this slide:
https://videocardz.com/newz/hp-omen-desktop-pc-to-ship-with-amd-vega-10
HP also brings Vega to their Omen lineup. Im wondering if you guys will spot the elephant in the room on this slide:
I feel sorry for het Mac Pro waiters. Apple:.. Specially for you pro users.... just look at this. We are so excited to announce the All-on-one solution you all waited for. Its very slim, looks great.. look how thin the edges are. Its a pro machine because there is an Xeon and ECC inside. So pro. Now buy it.. because this is pro. You dont want an 27" screen attached? deal with it. Or wait longer. Or buy the old Mac Pro. For the same price you would pay for it 4 years ago.
Sure, they can set what ever they like, it just seems like a big jump. I'm not particularly complaining about the price, just the lack of better middle ground that will put a lot of users out an extra $1000.
Ah right, the Mobo, I knew I was forgetting something. And the cooling can get wrapped up in the $500 case and $200 peripherals. $700 bucks for that is more than enough. No need for special cooling on a typical box. Heck $700 is a lot for that, could take up some of the cost of the forgotten mother board.
I can configure a workstation from basically a super micro 3rd party retailer with Broadwell E5-1650, GTX TITAN Xp, 32GB of ECC RAM and 800GB PCI SSD for $4500, with Windows and 3 year hardware support/replacement for $4600. While I forgot the mother board, the end price is pretty comparable to something you could configure yourself. So yeah, $5K isn't SOOO bad, its just that they miss the downward step to 1640 v4 equivalent, GTX 1080 Ti equivalent and 400GB of storage which would come to around $3300 from this 3rd party dealer (and they are good one, I have 2 machines now from them).
Sure, the percent profit might be the same, but it will be on a lower dollar value, so less total cash per machine. The thing is, no one is naive enough to think you're going to sell the same number of computers at $6K as you will at $3.5K. Apple is just staying out of the market hoping to cash in on bigger sums and dealing with less hardware. It works for some, doesn't work for all.
Yeah, it could be a good starting point. I guess it depends on what "modular" means. The newer Xeon gold/pentiums are supposed to be a little more flexible in multiple socket configurations I guess. I don't know, we'll know more soon it seems.
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I think so too.
While something more customisable is relevant to many professional users, the amount of them who then spend the next years moving bits in and out of old box to 'upgrade' is not that big. Professional users buy the machine, work it hard and replace the whole thing.
The downtime is not worth the 'savings' of replacing random bits.
If you're not billing enough to pay off an iMac Pro in two or three weeks I seriously doubt you need a machine like that. And if you need a completely customisable machine, you have to wait a bit longer.
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hmm.
that was a secondary point which was only brought up because it's relevant to the forum we're posting in.
also, i said many people around here.. not everybody here.
why? because many people around here do think that way and the reasonings aren't as you've outlined.
for example, search the forum for 'cable clutter' and read some of those posts.
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/4207320/?q="cable+clutter"&o=date&c[node]=1
the main point was that i believe most people, in general, prefer an all-in-one solution instead of a standalone computer which is separated from the main display.
i would definitely bet dollars on that being the case. as in, laptops too are all-in-ones.. but even without laptop consideration, i still believe most would prefer the form of, say, imac vs mac mini.. and probably imac pro vs mMP too.. or even imac vs nMP.. and further still, imac vs cMP.
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heh.. here's a fun one that's fifth down in those search results.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ac-pro-in-2015.1840458/page-115#post-22052367
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Absolutely. There's no debate on the achievement from a technological PoV. But let's not forget: tcMP was also a technological achievement. However, it was proved in the most dramatic way for tcMP, that tech achievements alone are not enough to cut it.
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Yes, but it's not out yet and won't be for the next months. It was only announced, hence competition has enough time to offer similar choices. And if they do, I'd be willing to bet now who is going to win the price war. I can see the same old pattern here; by the time this machine will be out, competition will catch up, with better prices and more options (at least in gpu part).
Whilst I agree, a Professional doesn't mean somebody who makes a living with it.
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I agree but in the days of PCI cards. The Mac Pro tower was as close to an all in one as you could get.
That is exactly what professional means. That's what professional is, a skilled person who's main income is in their chosen profession.
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Sorry, but ... downtime? it takes less than 5 minutes to install or replace a GPU, or a PCIe card, in a cMP etc.
Unless we're talking about an enterprise, where everything takes time and an internal protocol prevents users to maintain the hardware themselves.
beside this iMAC PRO thing , i read that actual MODULAR MAC PRO will come somewhere in 2018 ? means its still happening Right ? btw see this video
Long discussed, accountably use to be most profitable to sell old hardware and update with an entirely new machine than those periodic upgrades (you have to pay the technician, and deal with the obsolete parts, account user down time too, an working computer uses to sell as whole better than in parts, unless its a laptop, where rare to find logic boards use to sell at higer price than the laptop from it where taken).
I just 'assembly' a virtual iMac Pro, with parts sourced from Amazon, and the BOM topped 5150$ with E5v4, dell 5K, 512gb ssd, 64gb ddr4, 10gbe, c612 MB, heatpipes cpu cooler, 4 hipothetic TB3 controlllers at 30$ ea, and a 1000$ gpu, 600W platinum PSU and 100$ case, do not include labour neither OS licenses.
I just 'assembly' a virtual iMac Pro, with parts sourced from Amazon, and the BOM topped 5150$ with E5v4, dell 5K, 512gb ssd, 64gb ddr4, 10gbe, c612 MB, heatpipes cpu cooler, 4 hipothetic TB3 controlllers at 30$ ea, and a 1000$ gpu, 600W platinum PSU and 100$ case, do not include labour neither OS licenses.
Its official the new modular mac pro along side with a Apple standalone display is coming in 2018
Thanks to my buddy
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Thanks to my buddy
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yes, 1000%, and from the talks to Apple, it will be an Apple design with and i quote "LEGO in mind"
The LEGO quote if true will at least eliminate much of the speculations towards the meaning of "modular". And the AIO nature of the iMac Pro also helps painting a picture of the polar opposite approaches of these 2 lines.