Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[rezwits]

I think no matter how you spin it, buying any of the 2015 or 2014 Pros at any time was an exercise in outdated tech. If there's even a conversation to be had arguing why a 2016 MBP is a good buy right now regardless of your circumstance then whoever is making that point doesn't really know where hardware is at and what the costs are. They're solely looking at their own situation and it's difficult to have a meaningful conversation with that mentality. Apples laptop lineup is outdated and over priced. At this point, especially in this thread, everyone should get that by now.

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The other way to look at it, is the 2015 was the pinnacle of the Retine MacBook Pro line. It was refined, troubleshooted and perfected to its final form. Yes, a Broadwell processor suitable for the 2015 model was just a month or two away, but at that moment it was the best Apple could create.

In the past, Apple has release one final version of its MacBook Pro to coincide with a redesign. I believe Apple will release FOUR MacBook Pro versions in October. A 13 and 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro (rMBP) with Skylake 6770, and a 13 and 15 inch Dynamic/OLED/Usb-C/whatever MacBook Pro (dMBP).

And the cheaper rMBP with Skylake will be a major temptation for many people here. Existing design, perfected: legacy ports intact, the old keyboard untouched and an old but well-loved form factor all with Skylake speed.

But the practical difference for most use cases between Haswell and Skylake H-Series processors isn't THAT big. Certainly not big enough to warrant all this moaning about how outdated they are.

Exactly! I like to by 3rd or even 4th Generation DONE DONE DONE products, that are in my eyes (YES biased) Finalized. And I want to add a model to "my collection" that has all the pieces of that ERA, I am NOT an early adopter. And seriously we could round and round over the benefits of being an Early Adopter versus a Late Bloomer. It's 50/50 it depends on how you shop.

I come here looking to see: Oh they're getting rid of this, they're getting rid of that:

Oh, time to buy the LATEST and LAST GREATEST that can do all that I want for the next 5 years, not a science project that some early adopter would love to get and enjoy tinkering with and struggling with.

You got two perspectives here, can't you see that? I mean yeah if you are an early adopter, that buys Product D, at Gen 1 then Gen 2 then Gen 3 every year cause you have the money, or like to hustle on eBay, then that's great for you. But some people like to come in at Gen 3 and sit and wait 2-3-4 years waiting for Product E, at Gen 2 or 3 again.

But if you just buy Gen 1 then get Gen 2 then get Gen 3 then turn right around for another dose of Gen 1 and Gen 2 then Gen 3, again, In my eyes (biased) you aren't really doing anything but opening boxes and doing speed tests, benchmarks, boot times, etc, and then waiting for the next Generation, which is a waste in my eyes. (Oh this one boots 2 seconds faster, 38 seconds versus 36 second, AWESOME!) yeah right.

I like Gen 2 or 3 wait for 4 years, using just that model and breaking it in customizing etc blah blah. Learning all the tricks I need with that model, not just going to the next one year in and year out...

Early adopters versus Late bloomers, plain and simple...

 

[geachy92]

I think it'd be weird to release two new computers but only one redesign. If the 15" redesign isn't ready they just wouldn't release it.

They did it with the original rMBP. Only had the 15" ready at the time.

 

[gifo]

Well, at last apple scheduled an event for October.

 

[jeh72]

I always hear Polaris GPU, but that seems pretty vague, what are the possibilities? RX460 only ? Sadly seems the 1060 is not possibility but I wanted to look at these Polaris mobile benchmarks to kinda know what to expect

Pretty much the only GPU that would fit the bill would be AMD's 35 watt Polaris 11 GPU that they showed off a few months back. The current M370X gpu at 50w tdp is too much for even the current mbp design, so they will have to go lower tdp with a thinner mbp redesign.

The desktop Polaris 11 is the RX 460 graphics card, but that one uses more than 35w I think...so we may see a slightly lower clocked version of it for the 2016/17 mbp, and it will probably also be called "RX 460" rather than "R9 480M" or something like that.

Of course, this is all assuming Apple chooses to even put a dgpu in the redesigned mbp. It may be Iris Pro only!

Also, no way in hell they'd put the 1060 or 1070 in any macbook pro...the tdp is way too high.
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Well, at last apple scheduled an event for October.

Source?

 

[CookieFlow]

Pretty much the only GPU that would fit the bill would be AMD's 35 watt Polaris 11 GPU that they showed off a few months back. The current M370X gpu at 50w tdp is too much for even the current mbp design, so they will have to go lower tdp with a thinner mbp redesign.

The desktop Polaris 11 is the RX 460 graphics card, but that one uses more than 35w I think...so we may see a slightly lower clocked version of it for the 2016/17 mbp, and it will probably also be called "RX 460" rather than "R9 480M" or something like that.

Of course, this is all assuming Apple chooses to even put a dgpu in the redesigned mbp. It may be Iris Pro only!

Also, no way in hell they'd put the 1060 or 1070 in any macbook pro...the tdp is way too high.
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Source?

Alright thanks ! Yeah the 1060 seems impossible, although the Razer Blade has a 1060 and the 2017 XPS 15" will most likely have one also, but that doesn't seem very Apple like to sacrifice battery life for that.
So I looked into this 35W Polaris and it seems to be a RX480M but except a couple of numbers from AMD there seems to be 0 benchmarks for this GPU...

 

[Mattsasa]

so is that October 24th date accurate?
What do you guys think?

 

[surf12]

Source?

http://www.swnewsmedia.com/eden_pra...cle_5b701d0a-091e-5b75-be0a-fe38b47c9fca.html

(sorry, it's late)

 

[Baldrake]

Hello Nvidia
http://www.techradar.com/news/compu...future-macs-make-amd-green-with-envy--1329387

Everyone's assuming that Apple is moving to Nvidia dGPUs. But maybe this indicates an eGPU solution coming out, in which case they would need proper Mac drivers for the more common NVIDIA cards.

(And it amazes me how the same very slight information is enough for so many publications to spew so many articles.)

 

[surf12]

so is that October 24th date accurate?
What do you guys think?

didnt hear about this date until now...

 

[Mattsasa]

Everyone's assuming that Apple is moving to Nvidia dGPUs. But maybe this indicates an eGPU solution coming out, in which case they would need proper Mac drivers for the more common NVIDIA cards.

(And it amazes me how the same very slight information is enough for so many publications to spew so many articles.)

Probably new nvidia GPUs in iMac, Mac Pro, and possibly eGPU for MacBook Pro. Or maybe even internal GPU for MacBook pro along ways off.
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didnt hear about this date until now...

It was posted 2 pages back.
http://www.theapplepost.com/apple-reportedly-planning-keynote-24th-october-refresh-mac-line/
[doublepost=1474930985][/doublepost]I just emailed this Tom Sykes guy, the writer. I doubt he will get back to me. Seems he could just be making it up. But Idk.


Also, Apple is doing conference call on the 27th right? Would this affect the launch or announcement of the Pros?

 

[surf12]

Probably new nvidia GPUs in iMac, Mac Pro, and possibly eGPU for MacBook Pro. Or maybe even internal GPU for MacBook pro along ways off.
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It was posted 2 pages back.
http://www.theapplepost.com/apple-reportedly-planning-keynote-24th-october-refresh-mac-line/
[doublepost=1474930985][/doublepost]I just emailed this Tom Sykes guy, the writer. I doubt he will get back to me. Seems he could just be making it up. But Idk.


Also, Apple is doing conference call on the 27th right? Would this affect the launch or announcement of the Pros?

Thanks

Regarding the 27th, there's this:
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/26/appl...c-MacAllDay+(9+to+5+Mac+-+Apple+Intelligence)

Apologies if it's been posted earlier...

 

[RohirrimV]

so is that October 24th date accurate?
What do you guys think?

Everybody hold. the. *****. phone. I take a break from this thread for a few days and now there's this "October 24th" theme. Is that legit or is the website trolling us???? Are there really going to be Macs???? Is there going to be a 5k display?? Or am I in a particularly vivid and cruel dream?

TELL ME!!! I MUST KNOW!!

 

[x-evil-x]

I know it's all speculations but I am a bit scared of orders getting delayed very quickly if you don't order right after the release, at least for basic models.
I was convinced of getting the basic 13" but now I am thinking more and more of getting the maxed out 15", after spending the last 5 years on a 13" I realized I barely ever use my laptops because I hate the small screen. And if I spend that much money for the 15", might as well get the one with a dGPU that can actually do stuff.

I always hear Polaris GPU, but that seems pretty vague, what are the possibilities? RX460 only ? Sadly seems the 1060 is not possibility but I wanted to look at these Polaris mobile benchmarks to kinda know what to expect

Why do you think you need a dgpu to actually do stuff? 90% of users can get their work done fine without a dgpu.
Let alone the possibly switching issues with dgpu

 

[bfid111]

Everybody hold. the. *****. phone. I take a break from this thread for a few days and now there's this "October 24th" theme. Is that legit or is the website trolling us???? Are there really going to be Macs???? Is there going to be a 5k display?? Or am I in a particularly vivid and cruel dream?

TELL ME!!! I MUST KNOW!!

Oct 24 seems reasonable only because we all know that it is very likeley that it will be October. It can be Oct 14,24, ehh who the f*** knows but we all know it will be October

 

[Mattsasa]

No response from that guy who wrote the article claiming 24th.

But it's only been an hour and he is probably done working for today

 

[CookieFlow]

Why do you think you need a dgpu to actually do stuff? 90% of users can get their work done fine without a dgpu.
Let alone the possibly switching issues with dgpu

Should have been more precise, I meant playing games. I am not a huge gamer anymore, especially I don't think I would game all that often on it since I have a great gaming PC at home but it's more like if I spend 2200+€ or 2700€ and get a real GPU upgrade might as well just do it. And the 256 GB SSD is barely enough.
But for me personally if there was a rMB 14/15" I would just go for that... I don't really care for my laptop performance I just want a macOS laptop with a decent size screen.
But in any case, it will all depend whats inside these 2016 models...

 

[Lollo]

I've always used 15.6" (non-Mac) laptops, but I want to move to 13.3 with the (hopefully) next Pro Retina.

Is there anyone who has already done this "transition"?
Do you think it will be difficult to fit the new size or it's just a question of getting used?

 

[bfid111]

I've always used 15.6" (non-Mac) laptops, but I want to move to 13.3 with the (hopefully) next Pro Retina.

Is there anyone who has already done this "transition"?
Do you think it will be difficult to fit the new size or it's just a question of getting used?

If you are tall and have big hands, it could be a problem

 

[senthor]

I had a bad dream tonight. The new rMBPs were presented, and had about 3 minutes of stage time. The 13" was a Macbook Air with a retina TN display (!) and 15 watts CPU. The 15" was even better. It had no ports at all, a Core M CPU, and a built in scanner(!!!!!). It was touted as the perfect iPad pro companion for scanning and OCRing all printed text. But, it came in that stylish red color from the limited Mac Pro.

 

[Branflaakes]

I had a bad dream tonight. The new rMBPs were presented, and had about 3 minutes of stage time. The 13" was a Macbook Air with a retina TN display (!) and 15 watts CPU. The 15" was even better. It had no ports at all, a Core M CPU, and a built in scanner(!!!!!). It was touted as the perfect iPad pro companion for scanning and OCRing all printed text. But, it came in that stylish red color from the limited Mac Pro.

You need jesus.

 

[Dsaint4]

Rip mbp

 

[mahcus36]

It is not weird, as pointed out on the previous page and all over this forum. Macs rarely leak more than a few days in advance because they aren't made at the scale of iPhones.

So does that mean they would be avaiable sooner? Like, we won't see weeks of unavailability until we can buy one?

 

[Exile714]

I posted this elsewhere, thinking I was in here... that'll teach me to go commenting on articles. Anyway:

I think it's a good assumption Apple will release all their new products before earnings. So, if earnings is 10/27, then an event 10/24 is out of the question because it's too close (also, its a Monday).

We could have one 10/4, but that's highly doubtful given we've passed the invite range.

More likely is 10/12 (a Wednesday because of Columbus Day holiday in the US), or 10/18. If 10/18, and if it follows iPhone pre-order dates, we would have pre-orders on 10/21 for release on 10/28... one day after the earnings event.

So I'm putting my money on a 10/12 event. I know it's a lot of assumptions, but that's my guess and I'll stick to it until next week when/if it's proven wrong.

 

[mahcus36]

No response from that guy who wrote the article claiming 24th.

But it's only been an hour and he is probably done working for today

Let us know if/when he responds and what he says.

 

[Sam Luis Obispo]

Let us know if/when he responds and what he says.

You don't think he would admit he got it from reading this thread???