Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[ihatetoregister]

I am a bit tired of waiting too, but have also realised the pro is not a 'pro' machine and is not capable of easily doing what I need it to do. So it will be a desktop for me for heavy work and a less powerful laptop for email, web etc.
It wont be much faster than they are now as the chips aren't there to make it happen, so my bets are on the sale of the features like slimmer, lighter, better battery life and look at the shiny lights of the OLED. All good for me for what I want it for, but you may unfortunately be disappointed, I feel.

Yeah that's my issue. I don't mind if they just want to surf on the hype and propose only laptops with gimmicks, I really don't. I just want them to say it. Because then we can just accept it ( as I said , I don't mind, companies do business and won't care about a small margin of their clients ). But instead we have this very, very unprofessional and rude attitude which makes us waste time, money, and have frustration and anger, "just in case" they release something ok and the last 10 years of investment in Apple soft and hardware won't be for nothing...

Also, can't have a desktop machine in my job.

 

[fastasleep]

So, I wrote "lol" ( quotation marks included) a few dozen - or hundreds, who knows- pages ago.

Yeah, an ironical "lol".
I'm so ****ing pissed a 2000$ machine, bought 3 months ago, is choking on web browsing. Not to mention if I start dev servers & other VMs.

I work with that crap. This is not the iPhone. This is not the MacBook, or the MacBook Air.
It's the ****ing MacBook *PRO*.
You're supposed to work with this. No one give a **** about the hype. No one gives a **** about a ****ing gimmick for an OLED bar. No one gives a **** about whatever goddamn overhyped presentation you're going to do for an overpriced product.

We want the power, the comfort of the OS, the latest tech (TB3 for some, latest proc / memory type for others). Battery and size upgrades are fine, if you do better it's a bonus, but your core users want POWER and TECH. And we want a DATE -or estimates.
We work with this ****, goddammit. This is so unprofessional, so handicapping from you Apple. What a shame.

Folks, please resume to the jokes and other far-fetched hypothesis, I just needed to vent after watching several gigs of swap memory being used on my 3 months old "pro" machine...

Dude, there's something clearly wrong with your machine or your software. Aside from my failing dGPU, my 2011 MBP is running just fine right now with two browsers with a dozen tabs each open, Adobe After Effects / Animate / Illustrator / Photoshop / Media Encoder all running with AE rendering or AME transcoding off and on in the background, iTunes and half a dozen lower level apps all running at the same time and it's hardly breaking a sweat.

If you're taxing your 2015 machine with a browser session, something is wrong.

 

[Xhakaology]

Saw this today, can everybody poke holes in its legitimacy before I get super freaking excited

"As the publication noted, Director for Tablet and Notebook PCs at IHS Markit Technology, Rhoda Alexander, claimed that production for the new Apple laptops have already started. This reportedly includes the 13.3-inch and 15.4-inch MacBook Pro 2016 and the 13.3-inch MacBook Air 2016.

Alexander also clarified that given the timelines, it would be highly unlikely that the new computers will have Intel's Kaby Lake chips. Given this, the new MacBook Pro and Air 2016 will most likely run on Skylake, the publication speculated.

Previous rumors have suggested that an October MacBook Pro and Air 2016 release date will also feature other new released from Apple. Some of the rumored products reportedly lined-up for the event are the new iMac desktop and a new standalone monitor."

 

[ihatetoregister]

Dude, there's something clearly wrong with your machine or your software. Aside from my failing dGPU, my 2011 MBP is running just fine right now with two browsers with a dozen tabs each open, Adobe After Effects / Animate / Illustrator / Photoshop / Media Encoder all running with AE rendering or AME transcoding off and on in the background, iTunes and half a dozen lower level apps all running at the same time and it's hardly breaking a sweat.

If you're taxing your 2015 machine with a browser session, something is wrong.

I have 60 tabs opened and usually, at least one gulp process that watch / webpack running (f you're into webdev) and a Django server. This is **** that it's slow in those conditions.
There's nothing wrong with my machine, apart from outdated, over-expensive hardware...
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I have 60 tabs opened and usually, at least one gulp process that watch / webpack running (f you're into webdev) and a Django server. This is **** that it's slow in those conditions.
There's nothing wrong with my machine, apart from outdated, over-expensive hardware...

I should mention that 60 is because I'm limited by this crap machine. On my maxed out 2013 machine, I could have 150-200.

 

[robeddie]

wow, pretty cool actually. between this and the Razer Stealth Blade, the piece of **** I'm writing on is really giving me regrets about leaving Windows ... 10 years ago ! Well, not really, Windows is awful, but damn it makes me want to get over the awfulness of the OS just to get again some power...

No ****. Apple has become essentially 'allergic' to real power in their computers these days. After all, why add extra power when you can make it senselessly thinner and lighter?

 

[hamilto]

Does anyone think Mac OS runs faster than Windows because of basic programming being better or any other reason I might not know about? Basic functions like browsing, can they run better in Mac OS than Windows even though Mac has an inferior machine components wise? I want to justify buying a Mac.

 

[bfid111]

Does anyone think Mac OS runs faster than Windows because of basic programming being better or any other reason I might not know about? Basic functions like browsing, can they run better in Mac OS than Windows even though Mac has an inferior machine components wise? I want to justify buying a Mac.

your question is subjective

 

[IndigoDesign]

Does anyone think Mac OS runs faster than Windows because of basic programming being better or any other reason I might not know about? Basic functions like browsing, can they run better in Mac OS than Windows even though Mac has an inferior machine components wise? I want to justify buying a Mac.

Having worked years in both systems I can tell you this: Macs are generally more stable, even when third party programs (for example creative cloud) locks up here and there you can always easily "force-restart" them quite easily. Windows tends to drag down in such a situation. Also remember this: Windows must fit each and every system configuration whereas macOS is tailored for certain hardware. It's not as big as a difference as on consoles (playing a game on a console which does only this: play games VS playing a game on a similar specced PC - it will run much worse on PC because there's so much more the PC - and windows - must do in the background with all sorts of hardware manufacturers).

But like bfid111 said before me, it's all really subjective. And subjectively I'd say that macOS is maybe LESS HARSH on your hardware ressources than Windows 10.

This would be a real interesting experiment though. Maybe someone can try it and benchmark load up/save-times and other typical stuff on a Macbook Pro in sierra and then do the same in bootcamp under Win10 and see if there is any difference?

 

[ihatetoregister]

your question is subjective

It's not, at all.
MacOS is clearly better coded, as it's derived from a Unix core. The Unix / Linux world has always paid better attention to quality of code, use of resources, and performances in general. This is not by pure randomness that sysadmin and developers work and deploy Unix / Linux the last +10 years.
In addition, Windows has to deal with a *huge* amount of hardware and peripherals. You might not know much about this stuff but it's much more difficult to make a system that accomodates SO MUCH variety in configuration, down to the processor and primary instructions sets, to GPU, memory type etc.
Last but not least, Windows maintain many horrible software layers because of legacy. One good example was ActiveX and previous versions of IE. It makes the OS bloated.
As a bonus, the UI, while complex, is just not good.

So not subjectivity here : MacOS is better coded than Windows, by far. But it also runs on weak, outdated, overpriced hardware, as opposed to Windows (or even Linux, actually).
Choose your poison.
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Having worked years in both systems I can tell you this: Macs are generally more stable, even when third party programs (for example creative cloud) locks up here and there you can always easily "force-restart" them quite easily. Windows tends to drag down in such a situation. Also remember this: Windows must fit each and every system configuration whereas macOS is tailored for certain hardware. It's not as big as a difference as on consoles (playing a game on a console which does only this: play games VS playing a game on a similar specced PC - it will run much worse on PC because there's so much more the PC - and windows - must do in the background with all sorts of hardware manufacturers).

But like bfid111 said before me, it's all really subjective. And subjectively I'd say that macOS is maybe LESS HARSH on your hardware ressources than Windows 10.

This would be a real interesting experiment though. Maybe someone can try it and benchmark load up/save-times and other typical stuff on a Macbook Pro in sierra and then do the same in bootcamp under Win10 and see if there is any difference?

I remember back in the day (first or second version of Parrallels ? ) , Windows XP was running better on my MBP laptop than on my desktop machine...

 

[Branflaakes]

It's not, at all.
MacOS is clearly better coded, as it's derived from a Unix core. The Unix / Linux world has always paid better attention to quality of code, use of resources, and performances in general. This is not by pure randomness that sysadmin and developers work and deploy Unix / Linux the last +10 years.
In addition, Windows has to deal with a *huge* amount of hardware and peripherals. You might not know much about this stuff but it's much more difficult to make a system that accomodates SO MUCH variety in configuration, down to the processor and primary instructions sets, to GPU, memory type etc.
Last but not least, Windows maintain many horrible software layers because of legacy. One good example was ActiveX and previous versions of IE. It makes the OS bloated.
As a bonus, the UI, while complex, is just not good.

For the sake of being enlightened about the topic, do you have proof of everything you state? That it is simply better coded? I think your point can only be validated if you have undeniable proof as this is too complex to label as so black and white.

 

[Uni Grad]

wow, pretty cool actually. between this and the Razer Stealth Blade, the piece of **** I'm writing on is really giving me regrets about leaving Windows ... 10 years ago ! Well, not really, Windows is awful, but damn it makes me want to get over the awfulness of the OS just to get again some power...

GRRR!!! Apple give me an OLED Display, not an OLED function row!!!!!

 

[ThisBougieLife]

^

Seriously. Maybe this is just their experiment with OLED

 

[Sam Luis Obispo]

Personal experience with Apple has been that their products are solid. Service and support above average to excellent.
That being said, perhaps we shouldn't put Linux/Unix on too high a pedestal...
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/linux-kernel-security-needs-fixing/

 

[shareef777]

Saw this today, can everybody poke holes in its legitimacy before I get super freaking excited

"As the publication noted, Director for Tablet and Notebook PCs at IHS Markit Technology, Rhoda Alexander, claimed that production for the new Apple laptops have already started. This reportedly includes the 13.3-inch and 15.4-inch MacBook Pro 2016 and the 13.3-inch MacBook Air 2016.

Alexander also clarified that given the timelines, it would be highly unlikely that the new computers will have Intel's Kaby Lake chips. Given this, the new MacBook Pro and Air 2016 will most likely run on Skylake, the publication speculated.

Previous rumors have suggested that an October MacBook Pro and Air 2016 release date will also feature other new released from Apple. Some of the rumored products reportedly lined-up for the event are the new iMac desktop and a new standalone monitor."

What legitimacy? It's just someone's assumptions. Stay here a while, you'll get dozens of those daily.
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https://twitter.com/MacRumors/status/780826679736356864

MacRumors posted a tweet with a video about the new macs!
They really show that they're irritated like the rest of us

Why's the first 'NEW' feature 13/15" sizes. We've had 13/15" sized MBPs forever. Reeks of being a clickbait article/post.

 

[terminator-jq]

Does anyone think Mac OS runs faster than Windows because of basic programming being better or any other reason I might not know about? Basic functions like browsing, can they run better in Mac OS than Windows even though Mac has an inferior machine components wise? I want to justify buying a Mac.

You might be onto something. At home, I use a late 2013 MBP Retina with a 2.4Ghz i5 and 8gb of RAM. At work I use a desktop with a 4.2 Ghz i7, 4gb graphics card and 32gb of Ram (I work in architecture).

My work computer should be a beast and it is to some extent but there are some task that are much smoother / faster on my Mac, which on paper is much, much weaker. These task include:

- Boot up and restarts (night and day difference here)

- Web browsing

- Opening certain programs (AutoCad, Chief Architect, Photoshop)

Not to mention, there is also the peace of mind that it's much harder to get a virus on a Mac.

 

[killawat]

Mac vs Windows debate?

 

[shareef777]

You might be onto something. At home, I use a late 2013 MBP Retina with a 2.4Ghz i5 and 8gb of RAM. At work I use a desktop with a 4.2 Ghz i7, 4gb graphics card and 32gb of Ram (I work in architecture).

My work computer should be a beast and it is to some extent but there are some task that are much smoother / faster on my Mac, which on paper is much, much weaker. These task include:

- Boot up and restarts (night and day difference here)

- Web browsing

- Opening certain programs (AutoCad, Chief Architect, Photoshop)

Not to mention, there is also the peace of mind that it's much harder to get a virus on a Mac.

Bootup/Restart is all about the disk and the Macs have no competition in that regard except for systems that utilize NVMe (which are pretty rare).

Web browsing really depends on the browser and internet speed you have.

Opening apps is dependent on CPU and memory speed, so I'm not sure how your workstation is beating a MacBook in that regard.

 

[graffixnyc]

I was in the apple store today and some father was buying a MacBook pro for his daughter. I wanted to say "don't do it! Wait a month" but I decided to be a typical NY'er and mind my business

 

[powertoold]

I have a high end Windows 10 desktop from 4 years ago, and it boots up just as fast as my MBP. Granted my MBP is a late 2011 15".

 

[richinaus]

Yeah that's my issue. I don't mind if they just want to surf on the hype and propose only laptops with gimmicks, I really don't. I just want them to say it. Because then we can just accept it ( as I said , I don't mind, companies do business and won't care about a small margin of their clients ). But instead we have this very, very unprofessional and rude attitude which makes us waste time, money, and have frustration and anger, "just in case" they release something ok and the last 10 years of investment in Apple soft and hardware won't be for nothing...

Also, can't have a desktop machine in my job.

totally agree. It is very unprofessional. Imagine delivering a project and not providing any timelines and milestones for a client, and not working to any deadline. This is basically what Apple is doing to us.

Shame you can't have a desktop. I could manage on a MBP but it is not the ideal solution [I am working on one right now...] for me and have become tired of the compromise.

 

[Branflaakes]

I was in the apple store today and some father was buying a MacBook pro for his daughter. I wanted to say "don't do it! Wait a month" but I decided to be a typical NY'er and mind my business

Hey man NY-er here too. That's just one less person competing with us for the new MBP when it comes out
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totally agree. It is very unprofessional. Imagine delivering a project and not providing any timelines and milestones for a client, and not working to any deadline. This is basically what Apple is doing to us.

Shame you can't have a desktop. I could manage on a MBP but it is not the ideal solution [I am working on one right now...] for me and have become tired of the compromise.

I would totally agree with you based on formal business propositions, but a tech company unveiling a new product is far different than that, haha. Apple really has no obligation to deliver the rMBP to us, and I guess it is in their best interests to veil the specifics for there to be a surprise.

 

[richinaus]

I was in the apple store today and some father was buying a MacBook pro for his daughter. I wanted to say "don't do it! Wait a month" but I decided to be a typical NY'er and mind my business

maybe she needed something there and then and the current machine will be fine for her for the next 3 years. I know what you mean though - I remember seeing people buying a 11" air just before the MacBooks were released and wanted to say 'don't do it'.

As I have said in previous posts though - it pays to be an informed consumer if you are spending that amount of money.
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Hey man NY-er here too. That's just one less person competing with us for the new MBP when it comes out
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I would totally agree with you based on formal business propositions, but a tech company unveiling a new product is far different than that, haha. Apple really has no obligation to deliver the rMBP to us, and I guess it is in their best interests to veil the specifics for there to be a surprise.

I know they have no obligation at all - but I think a relationship has been developed with the brand, especially with professionals, where unspoken understanding of releases is expected. It messes up plans when the norm is changed without being informed.

Lets hope it is a nice surprise, as if not this thread will explode

 

[goobot]

Does anyone think Mac OS runs faster than Windows because of basic programming being better or any other reason I might not know about? Basic functions like browsing, can they run better in Mac OS than Windows even though Mac has an inferior machine components wise? I want to justify buying a Mac.

One reason is just the fact that the software is specifically made for the hardware. Same goes for iOS. And this isn't just an apple thing. The reason why consoles last years isn't because they run amazing hardware but because all the games made for them are built with just that one piece of hardware in mind. You can find tune and take 100% advantage of it where as if you are building something to just generically run on anything it will never have the same level of polish. Same goes for android. You can see that the nexus android phones run much better than just any other android device because they were made side by side with the software.

 

[rezwits]

Mac vs Windows debate?

Dude seriously here is where I draw the line:

There are these ISSUES:
Clicking a link, ANY LINK.
Installing an OS, App, OS/App Updates, or similar, and it crashes right in the middle.
Pulling the power plug from the back of your machine, or just simply "force restart" of sorts
Downloading some random file

On macOS:
IF User Expertise = 90%, if you did or one of these ISSUES happened
chance of having your system FAIL or having to REDO your system: <1%

IF User Expertise = 10%, if you did or one of these ISSUES happened
chance of having your system FAIL or having to REDO your system: 10%

On Windows
IF User Expertise = 99%, if you did or one of these ISSUES happened
chance of having your system FAIL or having to REDO your system: 50%

IF User Expertise = 10%, if you did or one of these ISSUES happened
chance of having your system FAIL or having to REDO your system: 90%

Those are just ESTIMATES of BS obviously.

But I think you get the point.

If you do any of those issues on a Windows machine you are jacked!
You can't just pull the power plug out on a Windows machine while Windows is in the middle of doing something
You can't just click any link willy nilly, (you need expertise to avoid landmines, on Windows)
You can't just download ANY RANDOM file from a link that says DOWNLOAD, (once again expertise needed to dodge)
You can't just right in the middle of installing some App or OS update on Windows CANCEL that action,
sometimes if in the middle of a Windows App install if you cancel cause you are like "wait a sec" and then go
back and so "ok, yeah I'll install it", sometimes on the second go around it won't let you or you have to go
digging for files and try to repair or uninstall any changes so you can get it back, or what rollback? please!

Window is a wanna be Unix, and is forever going to be fragile, because of it's core foundation, that it doesn't even really have, it's still just a patchwork quilt.

Microsoft has already said this is the last version of Windows, and they mean it, why?
Because they are working on a whole new OS to release 7-8 years from now, unless they just straight make a Linux Distro...

PEACE!

 

[volcomvenom]

So anything on the new macbook pros coming out yet? WHY NOT!?!?