It would be nice if and when announcing the Macbook Pros, Phil waves his hand and says 'No, not those prices!'
And switches to prices $200 lower...but I'm dreaming.
It's happened before
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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It's happened before
As @Mattsasa properly said, the point is that the MBP always was and always will be an Ultrabook.
It is a compromise and a very good balance between portability, power and battery life.
I completely agree that the present dGPU is crap, as is less powerful than a GTX 950M, but the upcoming (hopefully) dGPU is going to use 35W, with performances higher than a 960/965M.
in two words: the new MBP is going to be seriously more powerful, but also lighter than the current one.
And right now, there is no alternative mobile GPU suitable, as all the Mobile NVIDIAs have too high power consumption.
I, for once, believe that this upcoming MBP will have a serious amount of power.
Keep in mind also that Ming Chi Kuo and the anonymous source from Bloomberg said that this upgrade is going to be "the most significant" of the MBP.
It could be really true.
As @Mattsasa properly said, the point is that the MBP always was and always will be an Ultrabook.
It is a compromise and a very good balance between portability, power and battery life.
I completely agree that the present dGPU is crap, as is less powerful than a GTX 950M, but the upcoming (hopefully) dGPU is going to use 35W, with performances higher than a 960/965M.
in two words: the new MBP is going to be seriously more powerful, but also lighter than the current one.
And right now, there is no alternative mobile GPU suitable, as all the Mobile NVIDIAs have too high power consumption.
I, for once, believe that this upcoming MBP will have a serious amount of power.
Keep in mind also that Ming Chi Kuo and the anonymous source from Bloomberg said that this upgrade is going to be "the most significant" of the MBP.
It could be really true.
I hope you are right Wrong, and is in the line of what I expect too [although just more powerful in terms of graphics, not that much in the cpu department]
There may be some difficult decisions to make for me if they really come to the party and release everything - maxed imac and 13" mbp or maxed 15" and 5k display.
To be honest, I cant wait for this thread to end, and I can shift my obsessions onto something else. It has become a little too addictive for me and draws way too much of my time
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Never have so many dongles been needed to do so little!
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Been wanting to do that for ages
Been wanting to do that for ages
Where, like in the center of it? That might work, but it would be a bit tedious imo. with the power button, you know exactly where you have to rest your finger. unless apple puts a round ring in the middle of the trackpad (that doesnt mess with force click either), i would imagine its hard to know where exactly to rest your finger.
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Can he return it within the return policy and then buy the new ones? if the time frames align, of course.
The ring on the home button I think is capacitive and is just to know when something is actually there. A trackpad wouldn't need that. As for where on the trackpad I would assume they would be able to make the whole thing a sensor.
possibly the technology they are going to use in the iPhone 8 where it doesnt matter where you put your finger on the screen so don't need a specific location or button for it. Speculation.
Intriguing Idea. I have never thought of this before. But yea Apple makes great A-series CPU/GPUs. Probably performance per watt, more powerful than intel/nvidia/amd/ etc. Apple could make a dGPU along side an intel chip, why would have to make their own mac drivers for that, which shouldn't be an issue. However, it would probably break the option to bootcamp.
Though it seems this is not Apple's plans since it seems they are making plans with Nvidia again for future macs.
I don't know what Best Buy's return policy is. I haven't stepped foot into one of their stores in over 20 years!
The GPU in the A-series chips are not Apple's own design. They are using PowerVR GPUs from Imagination Technologies. These GPUs are designed for low power but can be scaled up. The iPhone 7 have a 6 cluster GPU with compute power expected to be around 300 GFLOPS. The iPad Pro have 12 clusters and Imagination Technologies have up to 16 cluster chips.
They can put a 16 cluster with higher clock speed in a MBP but I doubt that would make it much faster than the Iris iGPU that is already available inside the Intel chip. If PowerVR or any other mobile GPU can scale up and compete with AMD or Nvidia then I suspect we would have already seen them in laptops.
This is what they had almost 2 years ago: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8706/imagination-announces-powervr-series7-gpus-series7xt-series7xe/2
I want to say its 14 days.
Ah, forgot about that. And thank you for explaining this.
Though I am wondering the PowerVR GPUs are used in most smartphone and tablet GPUs or atleast many of them. How come the graphics performance is highest in the Apple A-series chips.
Is it because apple scales them up more, or uses more of them? Or apple integrates them into the chip better?
It can't just be iOS is faster on them?
You can obviously tell I don't understand how this works.
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Hmm,This is what they had almost 2 years ago: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8706/imagination-announces-powervr-series7-gpus-series7xt-series7xe/2
SO they can beat lower-end discrete GPUs. Probably not much of market for them than. because intel and AMDs integrated GPUs are beating lower end discrete GPUs.
Maybe in the not too distant future they can rival higher end discrete GPUs? ]\
9to5mac.com poll "Will you be buying the 2016 Macbook Pro"?
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/29/2016-macbook-pro-launch-date-features/
Total votes: 7,298
Take my Money! - 56.32% (4110 votes)
Probably- 20.12% (1468 votes)
Maybe/Unsure- 11.83% (863 votes)
No- 6.39% (466 votes)
Unlikely- 4.48% (327 votes)
Other(see comments)- 0.86% (64 votes)
Guess people as a majority are positively receptive as a whole to the new purported features. "No" only accounted for 6.4%, or 314 out of 6,981 votes. Butterfly Keyboard, Thinner, Lighter, USB-C only, OLED Touchbar, TouchID for the win, and it is Apple's design philosophy moving forward.
https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/29/2016-macbook-pro-launch-date-features/
Total votes: 7,298
Take my Money! - 56.32% (4110 votes)
Probably- 20.12% (1468 votes)
Maybe/Unsure- 11.83% (863 votes)
No- 6.39% (466 votes)
Unlikely- 4.48% (327 votes)
Other(see comments)- 0.86% (64 votes)
Guess people as a majority are positively receptive as a whole to the new purported features. "No" only accounted for 6.4%, or 314 out of 6,981 votes. Butterfly Keyboard, Thinner, Lighter, USB-C only, OLED Touchbar, TouchID for the win, and it is Apple's design philosophy moving forward.
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The user would still need some visual indication of where exactly their finger is supposed to go (I don't think it is technically feasible yet to have the entire trackpad read a fingerprint in any orientation)
I strongly doubt that the MBA is being refreshed in its present form. The present MBA's use a Broadwell processor with HD 6000 graphics (48 execution units).
With Skylake, Apple would have to choose between HD 520 (just 24 execution units) or Iris 540/550 (48 execution units and eDRAM cache). One is a performance downgrade, the other is a cost upgrade.
So, if there's a replacement for the MBA, it'll be different. Perhaps a low cost MBP 13? Maybe the rumored 13" rMB? At the same time, given Apple's penchant for selling obsolete systems, the current MBA might be available unchanged for another year or two.
I don't know much about mobile GPUs but I think almost all Android phones are either using Qualcomm Adreno, ARM Mali or NVidia Tegra. I think only Apple is using PowerVR right now. But I wouldn't say Apple has the best mobile GPUs, there were many phones last year that performed better at off-screen benchmarks than the iPhone 6s.
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