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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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I see where you're coming from but when I say they probably aren't selling many units with the Mac Pro I would imagine they are selling next to none.
With the Mac Mini, yes its out dated but you could see why somebody might go for one if they were very price sensitive and needed a Mac but didn't want the cost of an iMac or one of the notebooks. Given that you can pick one up for between £300-500 you may get people who are willing to compromise on the fact that it hasn't got the latest processors or SSD storage. Its the cheapest Mac in the line essentially.
The Mac Pro is at the other end of the scale really, its the most expensive Mac in the line and can't really afford to be shipping with such outdated hardware. I think that the demographic that make up potential Mac Pro buyers are going to fall into one of two camps. A. They are tech savvy enough to know that the current Mac Pro is way to outdated to be worth the price. B. People who, due to the high cost of the machine, have done plenty of research and as such have found out that they dont represent value for money. Most who are going to spend that kind of cash are likely to be in Camp A i think but even some brief research throws up some cautionary info. A google search for "Apple Mac Pro" throws up this article from the Verge and very little else.
The Mac Pro is very much in Thunderbolt Display territory for me now, the outdated hardware coupled with Apples staunch insistence on not dropping the price point makes it ridiculously poor value and make you wonder why anybody would bother.
What he's saying is that if Apple held an event, it would be kind of difficult to not address the elephant in the room, which is their failure to update any specs or prices on their computers for a year and a half.
But then he concludes, and rightly so I think, that instead they would just ignore the elephant in the room.
Instead they'll just talk about how ingenious and innovative they are that they now have an oled strip on their MacBook pro's, and removed all those pesky ports that some people rely on.
i'm just wondering what the people in the US based assembly-plant are doing. the same stuff since 2013?
anyway holiday season is coming, and based on rumors i can see only a few scenarios:
milk the iPhone till feb-mar 2017 and then exit the whole new PERSONAL COMPUTING lineup (that will include iPads and Macs) in the second half, that seems to be the season when the iPhone drops in sales.
OR
milk the holiday season by pushing out new products, people are more prone to spend during holidays, but in this case the second half would be a little undertone, with only the iPads to come.
but i'm not an analyst, a marketing manager, serban or tim cook (or maybe serban was tim), so who knows and at this point, who cares?
they make, we take.
edit: just noticed - nvidia 1080 unlocked, thanks for the support with your pledges.
...and people will be so freakin' excited. I can't forget how the crowd "genuinely" reacted when they presented new messenger and talked about bigger emojis for half an hour.
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by CNET.. he mentiond macrumors 
https://www.cnet.com/videos/new-oled-touch-bar-macbook-pros-coming-by-late-october/
https://www.cnet.com/videos/new-oled-touch-bar-macbook-pros-coming-by-late-october/
Another TouchID behind the screen patent. https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/04/new-apple-patent-touch-id/
This is so cool! I want the TouchID sensor to be behind the OLED bar in the new MBP.
This is so cool! I want the TouchID sensor to be behind the OLED bar in the new MBP.
My line of thought was that Tim /
in general will *not* admit to any of this. But if they make an event they will have to circumvent all of those issues. And if you read my whole post, I even mentioned how they would do that.
Another TouchID behind the screen patent. https://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/04/new-apple-patent-touch-id/
This is so cool! I want the TouchID sensor to be behind the OLED bar in the new MBP.
TouchID is not as safe as passwords. someday when you die near your device (waiting for tealake MBP or something) anyone can take your finger and open your device with it easily...
personally i have so many files that i don't want my family to know about even when i die.. so i use passwords and do full-drive encryption to my mac too
This exactly.
I mean, how embarrassing must it be for the CEO of a hardware company to go on stage and admit that the company hasn't been doing their job?
He won't admit that they're selling old hardware at top prices.
He won't admit that they've forgotten to update their lineup of computers (most of them at least).
He won't admit that the management has made *wrong* decisions to wait for *lake processors instead of using e.g. Broadwell in the current rMBP 15".
He won't admit that they could have considered using a different processor with a dGPU.
He just won't.
And to be honest - how stupid would that look if you need to spend at least half an hour finding excuses for all of the mistakes with millions of people listening all over the world? They have bad press already.
So the easiest way to avoid all of the embarrassment would be to do what Sam Luis said:
No event. Just a silent update with ??? (<- your guess here)
But if they do an event then I'm sure they won't mention any of the embarrassments at all. They'll just act as if they had a top lineup which is becoming even more "awesome" and "incredible" and "..."
The only thing I believe someone like Tim would say is somewhere along the lines of "I know a lot of you have really been waiting for this..." So if there was an event, the invitation could use "The wait is over...". That would honour all of the people on this thread
They're a hardware company but the vast majority of their revenue comes from the iPhone.
From a shareholder's perspective - Tim is focusing the company and their product teams exactly where he should be for the bulk of his customer base, and the one that generates the most revenue. The current MBP is fine for a huge percentage of its potential buyers. Only people that invest months (years?) posting thousands of messages about an unannounced product on a message board devoted to a computer company 'get' that purchasing a MacBook Pro today isn't the best value for the internals - but even based on what that machine can actually do, I'd bet the current models are perform well enough for the majority of even those of us posting mindless messages day after day.
Sure - it'd be nice to have an update with some new design and some new specs. But the MacBook Pro in the channel meets the needs of the vast majority of people who might want or need the machine.
Yeah I saw that. The thing is they need Cook to be available for these conference calls but he's also required to do a lot of public appearances, its easier to shift a conference call. Could be something as simple as that.
Spot on. Wall Street won't be overly concerned about the mac line up as long as the iPhone is still laying the golden eggs.
Kübler-Ross model
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
We've entered the last stage, acceptance. This means the new RMBP will be coming.
Anyway, about the q4 earnings report and
I would be a quite pissed off shareholder, if my company would had forgotten a 10$ billions market for over an year...
"Excuse me Tim? I know you're focusing on the 60$ billions iPhones market, but what about the 10$ billions Macs?!"
I would be a quite pissed off shareholder, if my company would had forgotten a 10$ billions market for over an year...
"Excuse me Tim? I know you're focusing on the 60$ billions iPhones market, but what about the 10$ billions Macs?!"
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I haven't noticed any of the current gem going up in price. But I am worried about the prices of the (hopefully) soon to be released models.
There has been no leak about specific models yet, so we don't know for sure. But the concept of Vega is not to be the successor to Polaris, but to be the enthusiast counterpart, the one to conquer the GTX 1080. Polaris chips are focused on the mainstream market (480 is ~300$), while Nvidia targets enthusiast level first (GTX 1080 is ~800$). Vega will be a higher performance higher TDP supplement to the Polaris lineup, chips suitable for the MBP seem very unlikely.
The iPhone 7 is more expensive in the UK, the student discount just to be 15%, now it's just 10 and they definitely adjusted prices slightly to adjust for weaker pound, so it has me worried too...
With the new OLED bar & Touch ID (has to come with the new apple pay features in safari..right?), I can see the MacBook pro prices going up $200 or higher in Canada and the current models staying at the current prices.
Even before I bought my dell, I was thinking about what the new MBP prices would be with the OLED bar, etc and I couldn't see myself paying $3200 CAD or higher. Hell, I can see the new Baseline 13 inch MBP being $1800 CAD.
I hope i'm wrong though.
It's a numbers game.
Apple will sell about 75 million iPhones this year. They have an average price just shy of $700 and have a gross margin of about 45%.
Macs, on the other hand, will sell between 5 and 6 million units. They have an average price of about $1250 and a gross margin of only 25%.
As a shareholder, it's pretty obvious where they should focus their attention. They can sell more phones at a higher gross margin and also generate additional revenue from the myriad of services tied to these devices.
TouchID is not as safe as passwords. someday when you die near your device (waiting for tealake MBP or something) anyone can take your finger and open your device with it easily...
personally i have so many files that i don't want my family to know about even when i die.. so i use passwords and do full-drive encryption to my mac too
They have to find my dead body fast before rigor mortis sets in and my fingerprints disappear.
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Third time we reach page #1080. Half-life 3 confirmed!
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