nicovh
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Not to mention it will also save alot more of energy. Skylake and DDR4 RAM alone will be a big improvement in lower energy consumption. More power, with more juice left
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Not to mention it will also save alot more of energy. Skylake and DDR4 RAM alone will be a big improvement in lower energy consumption. More power, with more juice left
SesameWasher
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Most of us here have a laptop that's more than 3-4 years
Of course, nothing wrong with people want a new thing or they want to see changes
SesameWasher
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And once thickness goes down its all the same again
Maybe they're right, make a little thicker.
lol
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I actually enjoy the craziness of the waiting game... The speculations, the hopes.
Isn't it the best part?
Well, maybe second to holding that freaking skylake mac in my hands!!
Isn't it the best part?
Well, maybe second to holding that freaking skylake mac in my hands!!
nicovh
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Yeah, and reading people's different opinions is always interesting. Getting all excited when some leaks/rumors are spread is always nice hahaha. This and other threads have made the waiting game more fun for sure.
The moment we finally get our hands on one will be heaven.
I remember that feeling. I used a PowerBook 17" from the summer of 2004 all the way until July 2012, when I got a first-gen rMBP (which I'm still using).
nicovh
macrumors 6502
If you can't wait and need a laptop now, get one. It is a great and powerful machine. CPU performance improvements with skylake will be small but the integrated graphics will improve alot.
But still, the current rMBP can (probably) run any graphical task you'll throw at it.
The SSD is amazing and Force Touch imo is a big improvement on the older trackpad.
Apple probably won't do a 'major' redesign with the upcoming update, so I'd say get one now and get a new MBP when the big redesign is out.
SesameWasher
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We only knew the major redesign or not next year, let's just hope they do.
I don't know what you people's pragmatism are, but the things never stops improving, even today. So I don't want to think a little fallen behind are okay for me as long as they're good enough, if there's a change to improve ourselves then we better do it. If Skylake can bring us the value of improvements why we will wait to Kaby Lake, eventually they're almost the same but you will late for an year to be better.
Pragmatism only works when something unnecessary like sound chips or performance never used, but for overall improvements...nah
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One thing to keep in mind is that the resale value would be quite significant if we're looking at a redesign next year. Also, the price of the current model will probably go down as well. I'd personally wait a bit longer. I mean we've already waited this long, and after tomorrow will be the longest time between updates. How much longer would it be, right?
SesameWasher
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nicovh
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Totally agree, but if you NEED a computer now, then the current option is not bad at all.
Your post is basically one of the main reasons i have been waiting for skylake since april.
Mike in Kansas
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t0mat0
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HDMI, DisplayPort, USB, thunderbolt, even HEVC - I wonder with this wait (possibly to likely longer than planned due to Skylake release delays) whether the Skylake Macs will get a better deal for the above (20.a/1.3/type c 3.1 gen 2/ TB3/ having HEVC encoding and decoding as hardware).
Graphics cards too. 2016 looks good for GPU upgrades just due to moving away from 28nm. Fire pros will have had another yearly refresh though at this rate lol.
Graphics cards too. 2016 looks good for GPU upgrades just due to moving away from 28nm. Fire pros will have had another yearly refresh though at this rate lol.
Dydegu
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You know what surprises me? Intel comes up with these awesome codenames for their processors, but then just call them "6th generation." Why not just use the codename and develop a marketing plan around that? When I hear Skylake, I instantly picture kind of an Avatar-esque floating island with a lake in the sky. It's almost like giving the processor more of a face and a personality.
SesameWasher
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Dydegu
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Similar to a sky lake, but it's a fortress armed with turrets and cannons. Maybe even a floating pirate ship with a lake in the center. 😎
CE3
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Has this comparison between the current 15' rMBP and the Dell XPS 15 been posted? Around 21 minutes she talks about the processors, and the rMBP still stacks up fairly well to the Dell with Skylake. Of course it will be nice to see Skylake in next year's models, but I don't think it's going to be a revolutionary upgrade in and of itself.
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Yeah, but I understood that the Skylake processor for the 15' should be more powerful than the XPS one.
Isn't that why the Mac pros have not been updated yet? To wait for the more powerful chips?
So, the difference between a Skylake 15' from the current generation vs the Skylake 15' might be slightly bigger than the one shown in that video.
Any expert willing to comment on this? I know nothing about processors, just what I've read on this thread...!
Isn't that why the Mac pros have not been updated yet? To wait for the more powerful chips?
So, the difference between a Skylake 15' from the current generation vs the Skylake 15' might be slightly bigger than the one shown in that video.
Any expert willing to comment on this? I know nothing about processors, just what I've read on this thread...!
Skylake does not significantly outperform Haswell (the processor in the 2013, 2014 and 2015 MBPs) in raw single core and multicore performance. In fact, unless one has a pre-Sandybridge (i.e. before the current generation rMBP came out) laptop, you won't see significant gains unless you're an actual professional running heavily CPU-bound workloads, and even then the gains will not be numerically significant.
Even graphics intensive work will often be offloaded to the GPU, so the gains you do see are coming from the dGPU and not the CPU itself. CPU-bound tasks gain single digit performance gains. In some cases they do slightly worse than Broadwell, due to a slower clock. The MBP has both adequate memory and - especially in the 2015 model - a fat pipe to disk that's faster than anything on the XPS.
XPS 15 has a Skylake with HD530 graphics plus the 960M. Technically, the current iGPU Iris Pro 5200 graphics in a generation better than the HD530 graphics on the XPS 15; Iris Pro 5200 is GT3e, while HD530 is GT2e . 960M is comparable to the AMD M370X on the MBP in terms of performance.
The XPS 15 gives you comparable performance out of a newer configuration. They can't do any better because the highest end Skylake chips are not out. The MBP 15 has historically always used only the highest end chips. In the case of Skylake, the ones with GT4e Iris Pro graphics.
Even graphics intensive work will often be offloaded to the GPU, so the gains you do see are coming from the dGPU and not the CPU itself. CPU-bound tasks gain single digit performance gains. In some cases they do slightly worse than Broadwell, due to a slower clock. The MBP has both adequate memory and - especially in the 2015 model - a fat pipe to disk that's faster than anything on the XPS.
XPS 15 has a Skylake with HD530 graphics plus the 960M. Technically, the current iGPU Iris Pro 5200 graphics in a generation better than the HD530 graphics on the XPS 15; Iris Pro 5200 is GT3e, while HD530 is GT2e . 960M is comparable to the AMD M370X on the MBP in terms of performance.
The XPS 15 gives you comparable performance out of a newer configuration. They can't do any better because the highest end Skylake chips are not out. The MBP 15 has historically always used only the highest end chips. In the case of Skylake, the ones with GT4e Iris Pro graphics.
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It's not. The 960M is twice as fast in gaming benchmarks. It also has CUDA, which is utilised in alot of OS X software. I also felt the fan quickly got noisy on the mid 2015 with AMD dGPU.
It's tempting, but I would love a similar product in aluminium, with an Apple trackpad, OS X and 4K screen with 100% AdobeRGB. Not willing to switch back to Windows.
I would buy the Macbook Pro 15 with skylake and a dedicated Nvidia 960M with the current rMBP chassis. Still I am looking forward to a redesign even more. If you can utilise a quad core in a more delicate packaging, I am sold along with the rest of my current setup.
SesameWasher
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All I really want is a 15" MBP with some lower specs for a better price. The base model starts at $2500 Canadian, compared with $1300 for the XPS 15 (more like $1800 CAD for a decent enough one).
I'd prefer to have the Mac, in large part for its taller 16:10 display, OS X, and wonderful build, but it costs a lot for just the "entry level" (ie. there is no entry level).
Space grey would be nice, too.
I'd prefer to have the Mac, in large part for its taller 16:10 display, OS X, and wonderful build, but it costs a lot for just the "entry level" (ie. there is no entry level).
Space grey would be nice, too.
Vanilla35
macrumors 68040
I feel you. When you purchase apple though, you can't think about it like another purchase. It's a luxury purchase. It's one of those things you have to "write off". Otherwise you'll hate yourself forever if you try keep trying to rationalize it 🙄
iPhones are a little different in the US because you had subsidized phones, so hardly anyone ever paid the premium $650-750 upfront.
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