I prefer a 14''. Middleground works best. Hopes went up when Apple released a 12'' rMB. But noone knows if a 12/14/16 will happen or not.
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I was hoping for this too. Chassis leak and other speculation seems to suggest otherwise though.
Fine, as long as Adobe don't drag their heels on the software changes required to fully support the bar.
I would want 15" as an absolute minimum, even that is too small for me ideally.
An OLED with app specific F keys would be awesome, I hardly ever use them now simply because I can't remember what they do in each app!
Its a crazy idea, but with other laptops having touch screen, I wonder if they've ever considered adding it to the MBP?
Plenty of expereience/technology already doing it with the iPad! No doubt they would never do it as it could take away from the iPad attractiveness
An OLED with app specific F keys would be awesome, I hardly ever use them now simply because I can't remember what they do in each app!
Its a crazy idea, but with other laptops having touch screen, I wonder if they've ever considered adding it to the MBP?
Plenty of expereience/technology already doing it with the iPad! No doubt they would never do it as it could take away from the iPad attractiveness
If this is the case they should also overhaul the UI so it's touch-friendly. Something to think about!
Windows is a great example that it's very hard, if not IMPOSSIBLE to make both mouse and touch friendly OS. IMO windows 10 is a great failure in terms of combining touch and mouse UX.
A touchscreen as described by Steve Jobs, and agreed upon by many, including myself, was simply not ergonomic or useful after a long time. However this has been fixed with those twist-around or screen detachable laptops. However, it leaves smudges on the screen - no fix for that as of now. Apple could release a detachable or twist-around laptop, but heres why many think they won't:
- macOS isn't touch friendly, therefore a "touch" version of this OS may have to be made, or they can simply switch to iOS when in touch-mode
- referring to the last point, if your MBP switches to iOS in touch-mode, then its basically an iPad, and that cannibalizes sales for their tablets
- smudgy screens
- blatantly following the market - which they never do (sometimes a wonderful thing, sometimes not)
- more R&D leading to higher prices, which are already high enough
Touchscreens on Mac laptops makes no sense to me in a strategic view: they have high-powered ipad (pros) which are 100% touch responsive and can attach keyboards. So MBPs with touch feature on screens would be no benefit but lower the interest for their iPads for some potential buyers.
What is it with people and that stupid fixation of having a touchscreen on a laptop? If the trackpad is good enough for all the basic gestures there is no need for a touchscreen. Just look at Windows 10 it's a complete mess because it tries to be 2 OS in one that doesn't work well most of the time. Sure, the Surface Pro 4 is a great device but it does have a lot of software problems and that's because of Windows 10.
I don't want an OS that makes compromises based on touch functionality. On my laptop I want a keyboard and mouse first OS that doesn't take any compromises and just ****ing works. As a student I can't rely on maybe it works maybe it doesn't or forced updates...that's time I could spend studying or working.
Also smudgy screen are a great point, imagine having to clearn your MBP all the time after using it, yeah no thanks. If people want touch on a bigger screen buy an Ipad problem solved.
After thinking about it there are 2 options for my case:
13inch, 256 ssd, 16 gig, hopefully 4k
13inch, 512ssd, 8 gig, hopefully 4k
just need to figure out if I want more ram or storage but I guess I'll go for ram.
I don't want an OS that makes compromises based on touch functionality. On my laptop I want a keyboard and mouse first OS that doesn't take any compromises and just ****ing works. As a student I can't rely on maybe it works maybe it doesn't or forced updates...that's time I could spend studying or working.
Also smudgy screen are a great point, imagine having to clearn your MBP all the time after using it, yeah no thanks. If people want touch on a bigger screen buy an Ipad problem solved.
After thinking about it there are 2 options for my case:
13inch, 256 ssd, 16 gig, hopefully 4k
13inch, 512ssd, 8 gig, hopefully 4k
just need to figure out if I want more ram or storage but I guess I'll go for ram.
They can use it to justify the price bump
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I'm a student and I'll definitely be getting the 15" regardless of price. Screen real estate and extra features if I spend that kind of money on a new laptop you best believe I'm getting the best possible
I too agree with this notion. However some of my friends, we're all medical students, just want one device, for portability and price really (they dont want to pay for 2 devices). And cause we have to draw anatomical diagrams, they want a 2-in-1 device that can basically become an iPad Pro on which they can immediately draw and take notes, and later a MBP when they need to compute. They prefer this so they can save it on their computers storage and find it when they need it; instead of having to organize themselves and actually create a notebook or file.
I'm more traditional in the sense that I prefer fountain pen to fine quality paper bound in a nice notebook, which I gently store in its designated cupboard once used.
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I said students go for the 13 "usually", not always!
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Why in the world do you want a 4K display on a laptop with current battery tech? It'll drain in an instant, and your eyes really wont be able to tell the difference. Hope for something like a 267 ppi vs the current 227 ppi, rather than 4K.
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I agree with frankgrimes on this point.. I can actually tell easily the different. it just depend on people some don't some do see the different. 4k is a dream for me on MBP. and i don't care if i loose one or two hours of battery
I can't see them doing this. Personally I cannot stand my ipadpro 13" with smudge marks all over it when used with the keyboard. If the macbooks ever get a touch screen I cannot see any reason why I would touch it - the trackpad is a far superior solution for navigating etc than your finger on a upright screen.
As soon as these MacBook pros arrive, this ipad pro is getting relegated to pure tablet with pencil use only.
if 220ppi corresponds to 2880*1800, then 401 ppi corresponds to 5249*3281 (assuming same physical size) which is beyond 5K. Does your statement make sense?
To be honest, I think they will stick with the current resolution, perhaps only changing it slightly because the bezel might get reduced, but I'm quite positive they will upgrade it to have a larger color gamut.
My bad, I meant to say 267 ppi - the Surface Book ppi as I like to call it. I accidentally put the iPhone Plus ppi instead of the Surface Book ppi. Correction: 267 ppi. Been thinking about my 7 too much.
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And thats why Apple will never make it lol.
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The only device that needs to support TDM is the one that is going to act as the display, i.e. the iMac. To the computer connecting to it it just appears as any other display so the MBP doesn't need to have any special kind of "support" for it.
I used to read the news on my phone. Now I just read this obsessively, even though there's nothing to read!
Maybe we're all dead and this is purgatory.
The rumours about the 13 inch not having OLED bar - although plausible, the one thing that makes me think this is unlikely is, that the Air refresh is seeming to be quite probably now (correct me if I am wrong). With an oled bar on the Pro, Apple has an easier way to distinguish the 13inch pro line against the 13inch air line (apart from 15w vs 28w processor). Previously, the other main difference of course was that the 13 inch Pro was retina, but I would be very surprised if the refreshed Air continued to use a tN sub retina panel, so for me, it makes sense for the OLED touch bar to be the differentiating factor in addition to CPU/RAM differences.
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Note, for airline carry-on security reasons, batteries are capped at <100whr, I think the current rMBP has 99.5whr? I am pretty sure Apple will try to remain within that threshold, so expect any battery life improvement coming from optimisation, not a larger battery.
I think 7+ hours is what commercially is seem as "good" enough, with 9+ hours more than satisfactory for probably 99% of the users.
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The problem with this is, by adding more battery life, it will affect weight/form factor. So they have to think, what % of the market needs 10hr+ unwired - is it worth adding bulk/weight to keep this % of consumers happy and burden the rest with the additional weight/bulk?
Note, for airline carry-on security reasons, batteries are capped at <100whr, I think the current rMBP has 99.5whr? I am pretty sure Apple will try to remain within that threshold, so expect any battery life improvement coming from optimisation, not a larger battery.
I think 7+ hours is what commercially is seem as "good" enough, with 9+ hours more than satisfactory for probably 99% of the users.
This, from my experience. I'm the only one with a 15" laptop (but that's because I like to play video games). Most of my schoolmates are either rocking 13" MBAs or 13" Win laptops. Much cheaper, and easier to carry around. Not many people can afford ~$2000 for a base 15" MBP, and not that most can make use of the extra power.
We were already at 11 hours with the Retina MBP. 10 hours with the current rMacBook. So it's safe to say that we should be hitting 12-13 hours with the new MBP, which is half a day and for most people more than a working day.
rMB = approx. 5200 mAH
10 hours
MBP = approx. 8800 mAH
Therefore around 17 hours based on the battery tech in the rMB.
However this was based on a linear approximation, and ignoring any increase or decrease for battery capacity and factoring in larger screen, more straining CPU for the 13 should all cut into that estimate, so ill say 12-13 hours, given that the current rMBP gives 11.
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