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I agree. I had a 13" for three years and apart from lack of graphics power, it was also the lack of screen real estate that made me tire of it in the end. 1200x800 just isn't enough. That's why I'll definitely be getting a 15" this time around (plus I want a quad-core processor and dGPU).

If I only was able to get one computer, it would hands down be the 15".

Due to my technology addiction though this isn't the case for me, and I have a 'no compromise' opinion on things, so I will work with an 27" imac, 13" MBPr, 13" ipad pro and iphone 7plus [may get a 9.7 ipad too for reading in the next release].
 
Just checked online with one of UK's biggest electronic retailers (Currys) and they have a few Macs unavailable for delivery.

11" Air, 256GB
13" MBP, 256GB
13" MBP, 512GB
12" MB 256GB Rose gold

Interestingly all of the above are listed as 'unavailable for delivery' but do have instore pickup available at some locations. I live in a corner of the UK and none of my local stores have them.

Also the 12" MB 512GB Rose Gold is listed 'Out of stock' rather than just 'unavailable'.
 
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So, after many failed Windows machines(more so dell and lenovos) I have finally decided to switch to a Macbook pro. Coincidentally my recent device failed a week back and I have been looking for a replacement. These recent rumors going around about a refreshed line of MacBooks have got my attention. Having decided on a MBP, and given that the new models would launch this month, I would like to know how long does it usually take for them to hit stores. /Basically, I am without a laptop until then. Or, would any of you for any reason suggest going with current line of MBP
 
Just checked online with one of UK's biggest electronic retailers (Currys) and they have a few Macs unavailable for delivery.

11" Air, 256GB
13" MBP, 256GB
13" MBP, 512GB
12" MB 256GB Rose gold

Interestingly all of the above are listed as 'unavailable for delivery' but do have instore pickup available at some locations. I live in a corner of the UK and none of my local stores have them.

Also the 12" MB 512GB Rose Gold is listed 'Out of stock' rather than just 'unavailable'.

That's it.

I'm prepared (mentally and financially), come at me Apple :D
 
Damn, we went full-circle with the 12/14/16 vs. 12/13/15 debate again. I can feel the nostalgia kicking in.

My thoughts:

12" Macbook (price drop now, 15w Kaby Lake in March)
13" Macbook Air (25w Kaby Lake, no OLED)
13" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris + ARM SOC for OLED)
15" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris Pro + ARM SOC for OLED)
 
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All preconfigured iMac and MacBook Pro models on apple.ca aren't shipping until next Thursday, and I live very close to Toronto; they usually ship in a day or so...
 
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Damn, we went full-circle with the 12/14/16 vs. 12/13/15 debate again. I can feel the nostalgia kicking in.

My thoughts:

12" Macbook (price drop now, 15w Kaby Lake in March)
13" Macbook Air (25w Kaby Lake, no OLED)
13" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris + ARM SOC for OLED)
15" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris Pro + ARM SOC for OLED)

What?

I think you mean
you mean 12" with 4.5W
and 13" with 15w??
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This is unprecedented! No leakssss since the 13" aluminum casing!!
I don't think the rMBP had any leaks. I could be wrong
 
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So, after many failed Windows machines(more so dell and lenovos) I have finally decided to switch to a Macbook pro. Coincidentally my recent device failed a week back and I have been looking for a replacement. These recent rumors going around about a refreshed line of MacBooks have got my attention. Having decided on a MBP, and given that the new models would launch this month, I would like to know how long does it usually take for them to hit stores. /Basically, I am without a laptop until then. Or, would any of you for any reason suggest going with current line of MBP

Welcome aboard this desperation and wait thread (o reat my eyboar is not worin aain...)
In two words: all the current Mac lines aren't worth the prices. BUT if you desperately need a laptop you could buy a refurbished, as the new MBPs will take quite a lot time to be easily available from the stores.
Or, as strange as this could sound, I would suggest you a second-hand/refurbished non-retina MBP, because it's the only upgradeable Mac left.


I don't think the rMBP had any leaks. I could be wrong

How dare you?!
Anyway rMBP was fully and quite precisely leaked by our beloved Mark Gurman a couple of weeks before its official presentation, IIRC.
 
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All preconfigured iMac and MacBook Pro models on apple.ca aren't shipping until next Thursday, and I live very close to Toronto; they usually ship in a day or so...
That's probably due to the National Day holiday in China, aka the Golden Week.
 
MacPad Air 13"
No they would call them the ArmBooks, but that's probably like 2018-19.

But on another note:
This is a gut feeling, but kinda like when the Mac Pro was announced "early" and then released:

But a... I think Apple's getting ready to drop the B.O.M.B. coming up!

There are a lot of rumors going on out right now,

Mac Pro, MacBook Airs. rMBPs etc... Then AirPods Released same day as the event... etc

Just a feeling or hunch I am getting!!!

I want a new MacBook Air, for my warWalking rig...

Man this is gonna be GREAT!

oh and a btw... off topic FREAKING SIRI ON macOS Sierra is SICK all the way back to a 2009 MacPro with a Logitech WebCam oh freaking nasty!
 
Calling it.

13" - loses the Pro moniker, thinner, lighter, blah blah, less ports. Just another Macbook.
15" - still "Pro", various configurations, dGPU options as usual, more ports.

Easy upsell to people wanting to feel important by getting a "Pro" machines (or for actual people that need it).
I've been thinking that this is what it'll be for a while now.
 
Not really. Preferences seem to peak at 13" and 15".

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Speaking of incoherent... ahem.

And no, people don't care about round numbers for Mac screen dimensions, just as people don't care that the 4.7" and 5.5" iPhone screen sizes are not round numbers.



But not the larger group of customers who want a smaller screen!

Perhaps these are 3227 college students that prefer small computers? Don't just throw polls at me, give me context at least. What year was this conducted, who was the group of people polled, what do they use their computers for? People don't know how to use statistics these days, yet they still use them to claim a point, like you just did.

It was never about round numbers, or even numbers...I don't know why you're inferring that.

It was about this:
13 to 15 = 2" difference (quite substantial)

12 to 13 = 1" difference (not substantial) - who wants to pay for a 1" difference!

Now lets look at a competitor

Dell XPS 13 to XPS 15 = 2" difference


12 to 14 maintains that 2" difference that we've become accustomed to. Likewise 14 to 16. Which makes more sense. It will make more sense for their laptop lineup to have consistent sizes. Not random sizes thrown in there - not many people know why the MacBook 12 is really 12. Now they can continue with a Pro lineup of 13 and 15, and keep another MacBook lineup of 12 and 14, go ahead do that and confuse customers even more, the total opposite of what Steve intended, and exactly what doomed Apple under Sculley.
 
Well just sold the MacBook Air 2012 11" for $500.00 straight. Need to do a clean install for the guy.

Fingers crossed they come out with MacBook Air 11" 2016. Otherwise, I am going to have to pick up a 2015/11 for discount from Best Buy...

I gotta have my Watch unlock the screen and the 2012 doesn't work with auto-watch-unlock :( sucks

Anybody a know the link for the: Waiting for Skylake/Kaby Lake MacBook Air?
 
Perhaps these are 3227 college students that prefer small computers? Don't just throw polls at me, give me context at least. What year was this conducted, who was the group of people polled, what do they use their computers for? People don't know how to use statistics these days, yet they still use them to claim a point, like you just did.

It was never about round numbers, or even numbers...I don't know why you're inferring that.

It was about this:
13 to 15 = 2" difference (quite substantial)

12 to 13 = 1" difference (not substantial) - who wants to pay for a 1" difference!

Now lets look at a competitor

Dell XPS 13 to XPS 15 = 2" difference


How does 12 fit in the Mac lineup, if they continue to use 13 and 15?
I agree with everything you said except the conclusion. 12", 13", and 15" can all coexist because the 12" and 13" MacBooks are different classes of machines. The 12" Retina MacBook uses a low-voltage CPU while the 13" MacBrook Pro uses a high-voltage CPU that's intended for more intensive tasks. Assuming the redesigned MacBook Pros are still targeted at "professionals", I don't see this changing.
 
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If you think about it this way October makes perfect sense. If they release in October and ramp up production they can have them on the shelves for Christmas presents. It would be the perfect time to release them for Christmas!
They'll be available to buy day of release I believe going off how it's happened in the past, the only waits will come with the customer spec upgrade versions and obviously if the demand is very high given its been years since we've seen a truly meaningful update
 
Damn, we went full-circle with the 12/14/16 vs. 12/13/15 debate again. I can feel the nostalgia kicking in.

My thoughts:

12" Macbook (price drop now, 15w Kaby Lake in March)
13" Macbook Air (25w Kaby Lake, no OLED)
13" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris + ARM SOC for OLED)
15" Macbook Pro (Skylake Iris Pro + ARM SOC for OLED)

A few CPU misunderstandings here!

The 12" MacBook use 4.5W Core-M (SkyLake Y-series) CPUs, not the 15W CPUs used by the MacBook Air

The MBA uses a 15W CPU (GT3 / HD 6000 iGPU)

The MBPs will use Iris or Iris Pro graphics (GT3e, GT4e) as you rightly indicate.

An ARM SoC for OLED would be interesting! Maybe it would pave the way for further Intel Core + ARM hybrids - mythical iOS/MacOS 2-in-1 maybe?
 
Just checked online with one of UK's biggest electronic retailers (Currys) and they have a few Macs unavailable for delivery.

11" Air, 256GB
13" MBP, 256GB
13" MBP, 512GB
12" MB 256GB Rose gold

Interestingly all of the above are listed as 'unavailable for delivery' but do have instore pickup available at some locations. I live in a corner of the UK and none of my local stores have them.

Also the 12" MB 512GB Rose Gold is listed 'Out of stock' rather than just 'unavailable'.
Just checked, they're all available in my area
 
I've been thinking that this is what it'll be for a while now.

Could be true..... and sort of makes sense. Works for me too on a personal / professional level.
I hadn't thought about it too much like this, but works into my theory [which everyone has ignored so far] that the chassis leak was a 15" with reduced footprint.

I am getting a bit more excited again now. No doubt this will wain over the next day or so unless some new leaks come out.
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Perhaps these are 3227 college students that prefer small computers? Don't just throw polls at me, give me context at least. What year was this conducted, who was the group of people polled, what do they use their computers for? People don't know how to use statistics these days, yet they still use them to claim a point, like you just did.

It was never about round numbers, or even numbers...I don't know why you're inferring that.

It was about this:
13 to 15 = 2" difference (quite substantial)

12 to 13 = 1" difference (not substantial) - who wants to pay for a 1" difference!

Now lets look at a competitor

Dell XPS 13 to XPS 15 = 2" difference


12 to 14 maintains that 2" difference that we've become accustomed to. Likewise 14 to 16. Which makes more sense. It will make more sense for their laptop lineup to have consistent sizes. Not random sizes thrown in there - not many people know why the MacBook 12 is really 12. Now they can continue with a Pro lineup of 13 and 15, and keep another MacBook lineup of 12 and 14, go ahead do that and confuse customers even more, the total opposite of what Steve intended, and exactly what doomed Apple under Sculley.

I would pay for that additional inch :)

Seriously though I had the 12" and the screen was too small for my use, but the 13" fine for short periods [several hours] which is my use of a laptop. Most of the time I need a big 27"er.
 
So, after many failed Windows machines(more so dell and lenovos) I have finally decided to switch to a Macbook pro. Coincidentally my recent device failed a week back and I have been looking for a replacement. These recent rumors going around about a refreshed line of MacBooks have got my attention. Having decided on a MBP, and given that the new models would launch this month, I would like to know how long does it usually take for them to hit stores. /Basically, I am without a laptop until then. Or, would any of you for any reason suggest going with current line of MBP

Definitely wait, it would be a really bad move to even buy the current models now, as they will drop in price. If once you see the announcement, you don't like what you see then pick up an old one, the wait is painful, but really what would be worse is buying one now, then finding out you like the new models. At this point they have been in the works for years, so I expect it to be a big deal.
 
Could be true..... and sort of makes sense. Works for me too on a personal / professional level.
I hadn't thought about it too much like this, but works into my theory [which everyone has ignored so far] that the chassis leak was a 15" with reduced footprint.

I am getting a bit more excited again now. No doubt this will wain over the next day or so unless some new leaks come out.
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I would pay for that additional inch :)

Seriously though I had the 12" and the screen was too small for my use, but the 13" fine for short periods [several hours] which is my use of a laptop. Most of the time I need a big 27"er.

In that case wouldnt you enjoy a 14" in the body of the 13" :)???
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I agree with everything you said except the conclusion. 12", 13", and 15" can all coexist because the 12" and 13" MacBooks are different classes of machines. The 12" Retina MacBook uses a low-voltage CPU while the 13" MacBrook Pro uses a high-voltage CPU that's intended for more intensive tasks. Assuming the redesigned MacBook Pros are still targeted at "professionals", I don't see this changing.

Yeah thats what I meant to say at the end. 12, 14 for MacBooks and 13, 15 for MacBook Pros, but imo wont that piss off the Pro users. If they're offering an underpowered 14 machine, but the more powerful is only limited to 13. I mean someone like me, who prefers 14, would get pissed at that. But everyone has their preferences, and so I cant speak for everyone right.
 
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