I'm in the same boat, back in July it wouldn't boot and luckily removing and reincerting the battery brought it back to life.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Honestly, that's marginally different nowadays if you're buying from a reputable brand like Dell. What is different though is the user experience. macOS lets you do things without getting in the way...and there's the incredible trackpad. The moment Microsoft can beat Apple at those two things, I'd switch. However, I don't see that happening in the near future.
I agree. However, we should keep in mind that smaller retailers are also less likely to be informed by Apple and have to order in quantities that seem sellable. If the Internet goes crazy about new models being released soon they will get a lot more cautious with stock.
Don't the Tim Cook years remind you of the Scully years? Too many needless product variations. MacBook, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, (IPad Pro?). Each in a half dozen configurations. For a product segment that is seeing significant decline in sales and is quickly losing relevance. It's almost like there are competing laptop factions within Apple tryin to whip up different takes. Seriously, why doesn't apple just make one line laptop with minor case variations as you go from small and portable to larger and more powerful so that they can be more agile, nimble and quicker to market with relevant hardware updates? In an ideal world, a single infinitely powerful, infinitely light/portable, infinitely ergonomic computer would be all that is required--kind of like a pencil. I think that producing too many options puts would-be buyers into purchase paralysis.
I so much wanted to get my son a new MacBook Pro for his freshman year at college, figuring it would last him through college and beyond and held off as long as I could. But the new pro didn't show up in time. I told him he could use a chromebook just until October when the new pros were sure to come out. I bought it two years ago for $200 just to see what it could do. He's been using it for two weeks and guess what? It's working out fine for him. It helps that he is going to a University of California campus and they, like others, have standardized on gmail and electronic submission of papers and homework via browser interfaces. It certainly isn't ideal for all circumstances and I'll get him a new pro when it ultimately comes out but now I'm wondering why?
His phone is his real computer and the chromebook works for coursework. Maybe because that's what his older sister got, maybe because I promised it to him, maybe because it's my impression of what he needs, but certainly not because I think that ten years from now anything that is built like a current MacBook will be as relevant as a transistor radio is today--which actually may be closer to the truth.
Why not just get him a mbook or air? Because the delta in price for several more years of usable life is relatively low and he's in a technical field so no telling what he might need. This has become really relevant with the recent Sierra upgrade. I have an original MBP15. A couple of my colleagues bought Airs at the same time, mainly to save money and because they looked cool. I'm quite happy with the upgrade to Sierra and I think I could go a couple more years with my pro, they are wishing they never installed Sierra and are requesting new laptops. But relative to the chromebook there really isn't much to be gained.
The stagnation of the Mac product line has really got me thinking about apple's motives. On the one hand, it makes perfect sense when it has be come such a small fraction of apple's revenue stream. The longer you can go between product refreshes the more profit you make as long as people are buying, because R&D, tooling and production costs are spread over more and more units, the individual component pieces become far cheaper because they are no longer state of the art but rather surplus, and you can make minor meaningless changes that don't cost anything actually lower production costs, and actually charge the customer the same or more for them. On the other hand, I can imagine the arguments that go on at apple concerning product differentiation.
If it were Jobs instead of Cook I think we would see a considerable reduction in product variation, particularly at the MacBook level.
I so much wanted to get my son a new MacBook Pro for his freshman year at college, figuring it would last him through college and beyond and held off as long as I could. But the new pro didn't show up in time. I told him he could use a chromebook just until October when the new pros were sure to come out. I bought it two years ago for $200 just to see what it could do. He's been using it for two weeks and guess what? It's working out fine for him. It helps that he is going to a University of California campus and they, like others, have standardized on gmail and electronic submission of papers and homework via browser interfaces. It certainly isn't ideal for all circumstances and I'll get him a new pro when it ultimately comes out but now I'm wondering why?
His phone is his real computer and the chromebook works for coursework. Maybe because that's what his older sister got, maybe because I promised it to him, maybe because it's my impression of what he needs, but certainly not because I think that ten years from now anything that is built like a current MacBook will be as relevant as a transistor radio is today--which actually may be closer to the truth.
Why not just get him a mbook or air? Because the delta in price for several more years of usable life is relatively low and he's in a technical field so no telling what he might need. This has become really relevant with the recent Sierra upgrade. I have an original MBP15. A couple of my colleagues bought Airs at the same time, mainly to save money and because they looked cool. I'm quite happy with the upgrade to Sierra and I think I could go a couple more years with my pro, they are wishing they never installed Sierra and are requesting new laptops. But relative to the chromebook there really isn't much to be gained.
The stagnation of the Mac product line has really got me thinking about apple's motives. On the one hand, it makes perfect sense when it has be come such a small fraction of apple's revenue stream. The longer you can go between product refreshes the more profit you make as long as people are buying, because R&D, tooling and production costs are spread over more and more units, the individual component pieces become far cheaper because they are no longer state of the art but rather surplus, and you can make minor meaningless changes that don't cost anything actually lower production costs, and actually charge the customer the same or more for them. On the other hand, I can imagine the arguments that go on at apple concerning product differentiation.
If it were Jobs instead of Cook I think we would see a considerable reduction in product variation, particularly at the MacBook level.
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It's the reason Best Buy has withheld their Mac education coupon for two cycles now. They have about as much clue as we do.
You nailed it! Exactly what I've been feeling and I hope it doesn't lead them into the same downward spiral that took place in Sculley's era. Cause this time, Jobs wont be there to put them back at the top!
Hi guys, long time lurker first time poster. Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask this. As others have remarked I'm stuck in limbo before launch of this new Mac.
Couple of questions:
Are we expecting a significant price jump for the upcoming model?
Secondly, would the performance jump from a Late 2013 model (which I'm currently looking at) be significant enough to warrant the wait?
Lastly I presume post launch would see a price drop of existing second hand MBPs on the market?
Cheers
Couple of questions:
Are we expecting a significant price jump for the upcoming model?
Secondly, would the performance jump from a Late 2013 model (which I'm currently looking at) be significant enough to warrant the wait?
Lastly I presume post launch would see a price drop of existing second hand MBPs on the market?
Cheers
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No.
MacBook (1 size, possibly a second to come?)
MacBook Pro (2 sizes)
That's it.
The Air is a dead man walking. As soon as the MacBook can come down to sub-$1K prices, it's outta here.
That's the MacBook level, not that complicated really.
Whilst I can understand your comments the reality is we are used to continuous updates to the computers due to significant change in CPU power, which has diminished over the last few years.
I was an ardent annual upgrader [because it makes financial sense as much as anything, and treat my computers as I am hiring them] but haven't upgraded since 2014 and in all honesty don't need to upgrade now, and can get by in my professional work absolutely fine in the current set up.
This is mainly due to the reason that little has changed over the last 2.5 years and the 'upgrades' we are going to get now are just faster ports, better video and an oled strip which I have no doubt will be very nice, can live without.
I honestly don't believe there is any negative motive by Apple in terms of the MBP, imac, MB or Air, and their positioning makes sense to me. The mac pro and mini are other stories, and would like Apple to have a strong desktop still, and is unfortunate it has seen no upgrades in 3 years.
The line up is not really that much different to that under Jobs, and I feel the innovation of the next few years will be in VR / AR, and that computers in their current form have little true innovation left in them. Just thinner, lighter, better battery, moderate speed increases with updated ports etc are the name of the game.
This is how I see the industry. Others may see it different.
Yes this wait has been odd, but I also think we have egged each other on a bit, and the reality of the whole situation is that it is ok, and we will be able to correctly evaluate Apples position on computers at the end of the month.
I am hopeful they will provide answers to what is cancelled and what computers they will move ahead with and also give clear direction on their intention. If Tim does not do this, I will be quite disappointed and start to get concerned then.
Have fun with the waiting for Skylake......
Price jump for U.K. At the very least. They'll span a range of prices - the highest end spec Macs may well be higher at least outside of US. Highest end models probably a little more at least.
Performance gains enough to warrant an update is in the eye of the purchaser. And which? SSD speed? RAM? CPU? GPU? Overall feel?
Not necessarily immediate price drop. See the Mac Mini 2012 vs 2014 for example where some features get dropped causing a market for the older model.
Performance gains enough to warrant an update is in the eye of the purchaser. And which? SSD speed? RAM? CPU? GPU? Overall feel?
Not necessarily immediate price drop. See the Mac Mini 2012 vs 2014 for example where some features get dropped causing a market for the older model.
Currently on a 2011 17" and have a 2013 MBA 11" for travel.
If it was up to me I'd make Apple's laptop lineup:
12" MacBook
13" MacBook SE
14" MacBook Pro
16" MacBook Pro Plus
If it was up to me I'd make Apple's laptop lineup:
- 12" MacBook - the ultraportable / lifestyle choice
- 13" MacBook Air (keeps current body, adds USB-C, retina screen with smaller bezels, up-to-date CPU) - the budget choice
- 14" MacBook Pro (due to smaller bezels will fit into similar form factor as current 13" MBP, features USB-C, retina wide color gamut screen, up-to-date dual core CPU, OLED bar) - the portable pro choice
- 16" MacBook Pro (similar to 15" form factor, quad core CPU, GPU, maybe a 4K screen, other features same as 14") - the laptop workstation choice
12" MacBook
13" MacBook SE
14" MacBook Pro
16" MacBook Pro Plus
There won't be a 16", any gain on the bezel will go into making the footprint smaller as suggested by the rumours. Apple discontinued the 17" for a reason; they will not pass an opportunity to reduce the bulk of the 15".
Even with 13" and 15" Pros that works for me.
Only "problem" is that the Air would most likely become a lot more popular than the 12" and 13-14" Pro. Only Apple can see it as a problem that a product becomes "too good", but to me that is the only logical explanation for not making that Air.
That's unheard of!!! You may be @WRONG but you are definitely not @RIGHT ! I'm the one and only who can be @RIGHT and for sure am not @WRONG . Although I'm not sure if I can be Serban...
Well that's what made me post here after sticking to this thread since something around page 15...
My 2009 13' MBP is slowly but surely seeing the light at the end of the tunnel...
As to rumors I will not miss magsafe as it is not as good as it is said to be... Few weeks ago my dog has been chasing a fly (something might be @WRONG with him) and had run through with charger cable wrapped around his body. Cable should detach from my MBP but that didn't happen and my baby (quite old one) fell to the floor. Well now it is smiling mockingly at me whenever it is closed on the desk...
Back to topic I think we will be hearing news about new MBP in mid or shortly after mid October.
Hope to get my maxed out 15' as soon as possible but I can wait a bit longer...
Exactly, even Kuo said they are going to have a smaller footprint which equals less bezel but the same screen size. Let it go people, 16" is a pipe dream at this point.
What if? Your batterylife will decrease like the innovation of Apple since Steve Job passed out. Moreover, you won't notice any increase of quality at such small screen.
Unlikely... 4K in 15" is already a stretch...
Scaling of something as simple as webpages is a joke. You see less than in Full HD and graphics lose quality from scaling.
It's just marketing war and showing that "we can do it". Doesn't seem like Apple approach.
...oh god what's going on here.
Do I have an evil twin like Hugo Simpson?
Or maybe... I am Hugo?!
Funny too that you registered today, precisely one year after my registration...
There is definitely something wrong here.
Right, @RIGHT?
I'm afraid you'll be right - it was my dream line-up, not the one I really think Apple will deliver...
Very good point. But they need something like the MBA to sell laptops to home users, students and general business users... Perhaps they can justify the MBA as a bulk seller with lower profit margin as it is the most logical laptop gateway into the Apple ecosystem. First time MBA owners will then be more likely to buy an iPhone and purchase (and depend on) iCloud subscriptions, indirectly adding more to Apple's bottom line.
People who want the ultimate in style and portability pay the premium for the MB and those who need more power pay a premium for the MBP. And these groups are in Apple's camp already anyway, no need to offer them lower prices.
I doubt there is much demand for 14/16 inch screens (would be <1% of users?), so I would say 99.9% chance it will remain the same 13/15 inch screens, in a smaller body (a smaller footprint is definitely in demand by the majority).
The naming should just follow: Macbook, Macbook Air (assuming discontinuation of the 11 inch), Macbook Pro 13, Macbook Pro 15 (or Pro and Pro Plus, albeit I doubt it)
The naming should just follow: Macbook, Macbook Air (assuming discontinuation of the 11 inch), Macbook Pro 13, Macbook Pro 15 (or Pro and Pro Plus, albeit I doubt it)
...oh god what's going on here.
Do I have an evil twin like Hugo Simpson?
Or maybe... I am Hugo?!
Funny too that you registered today, precisely one year after my registration...
There is definitely something wrong here.
Right, @RIGHT?
You might feel like you are RIGHT that I am your evil twin, but unfortunately you are definitely @WRONG.
Who are we to judge who is evil and who is not?
Mark this day folks! Today is the day this thread starts moving forward in RIGHT direction again. Or not... depends on new rumors/invites. Unless we get someone to ask if in 2016 MBP we will see Kaby Lake chips...
I'm so tired of waiting ...
Get these invites going now !!
Get these invites going now !!
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