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That is misleading. Several generations have experienced a higher than normal rate of failure due to gpu problems. They can't handle a full cpu load + full gpu load. They throttle and/or drain the battery, although newer ones aren't as bad. Graphics switching can also be buggy. OpenCL performance in relative terms is also quite different from other things. Integrated may not be significantly slower. It has to be directly compared.

So now I'm still hesitating a lot, if not more .. :)
 
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---New rumors from Chinese supply chain---

According to the latest news from a Chinese forum, the Apple's largest metal casings supplier Taiwan-based Catcher Technology Co., has a 18.3% growth on their Q3 revenue

Apparently this growth is benefited from a large order from Apple :apple:, i.e. the new Macbook pro has been put into mass production, so there is no reason that we can't see the new products before Nov.

Just like Tim said: "Stay tuned."

PS: I will kiss the ass of my new macbook pro , or KICK Tim's ass if nothing's gonna happen.:cool:


Saw it a couple days ago on PatentlyApple
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...r-reports-183-leap-in-quarterly-earnings.html
 
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You know, maybe I'm just a lucky sod but I've actually never had a problem with (Apple) 1st gen stuff:

  • We bought the Titanium Powerbook back in 2001. It was and is a LOVELY computer. The darn thing is STILL usable, and we haven't replaced a bloody thing!
  • Remember the iMac G4? That old flower pot? A classic, wasn't it? :) My parents bought it right when it was released and it was AWESOME. It basically was the computer I grew up on. We used it almost every day until we bought the plastic MacBook back in '07, and intermittently until we bought the iMac in '12. 1st gen product, not a SINGLE problem. The darn thing STILL works quite well!
  • My mother got the very first iPhone right at release. Again, not a single issue over its (long) life.
  • I got the first iPad as a gift the month it was released and I still use it today. Granted, these days it has all the zippiness of a geriatric mule traversing the Andes, but it still is a functional device. I was just using it to play a game earlier today.
  • I also got the Apple Watch as a birthday gift a little bit after its release. It's a bit early to pass judgement on its longevity and quality, but I've used it every day since I got it and it's been an exceptionally useful companion.

I may just have been an exceptionally lucky person but I've been impressed by the quality and reliability of Apple products, even gen 1 ones. I have absolutely no problem with the idea that this computer is a brand-new design; I've been led to expect only the best.

That, and I have no patience left COME ON APPLE GIVE US OUR MACS!!!!!!
I've been having a similar experience so far. My iPad1, first retina iPad Mini and the 2012 rMBP15 I'm typing this on are doing just fine after all these years.
 
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I seen a rumor that Mafia III is planned for Mac... Comparing to Windows PCs, what kind of GPU do you see required? Wouldn't a major game release also be a nice thing for an event? Considering the Nintento / Pokemon hype now, I can imagine that we might see another collaboration with a major game developer... Rockstar would be awesome, if you ask me.
 
I seen a rumor that Mafia III is planned for Mac... Comparing to Windows PCs, what kind of GPU do you see required? Wouldn't a major game release also be a nice thing for an event? Considering the Nintento / Pokemon hype now, I can imagine that we might see another collaboration with a major game developer... Rockstar would be awesome, if you ask me.

OT, but it doesn't look like a solid game release to be honest.
 
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---New rumors from Chinese supply chain---

According to the latest news from a Chinese forum, the Apple's largest metal casings supplier Taiwan-based Catcher Technology Co., has a 18.3% growth on their Q3 revenue

Apparently this growth is benefited from a large order from Apple :apple:, i.e. the new Macbook pro has been put into mass production, so there is no reason that we can't see the new products before Nov.

Just like Tim said: "Stay tuned."

PS: I will kiss the ass of my new macbook pro , or KICK Tim's ass if nothing's gonna happen.:cool:

This part is wrong. The growth comes from iPhone 7/7 Plus and Macbook orders in the months before.
They except a new growth in the 4th quarter for supplying 60% of all chassis for the new MBP.

Mass production for the new devices doesn't start several months before: those are laptops with a much lower request number not like the phones.
 
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I seen a rumor that Mafia III is planned for Mac... Comparing to Windows PCs, what kind of GPU do you see required? Wouldn't a major game release also be a nice thing for an event? Considering the Nintento / Pokemon hype now, I can imagine that we might see another collaboration with a major game developer... Rockstar would be awesome, if you ask me.
I believe Nintendo paid Apple to promote their mobile strategy. Not the other way round.
There is no real incentive for Apple to promote any game on OSX.
Everyone would painfully realize that OSX cannot be a gaming platform. Even with metal.
The keyword here is "profit margins", not performance.
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Mass production for the new devices doesn't start several months before: those are laptops with a much lower request number not like the phones.
Exactly right. The numbers of Macs sold compared to iPhones are minimal.
 
For anyone interested in the performance of the chip they'll likely use in the new 15", this guy talks about it and how the iGPU performs.

Thanks for sharing. Incidentally, I have no doubt that we're going to see External GPU's to hook up into the new MacBook Pro's. There was discovered new code for support of eGPU in Sierra and with nVidia back into the Apple camp? Gotta be awesome, although I don't think we will see before next year. Makes you reconsider just going with the iGPU MacBook Pro and save up for the eGPU solution. Tasty!
 
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How does Apple make money on external GPU solutions?
If there's support, they will only be overpriced, mega-hyped third party GPU boxes.
Apple was never about extensibility
 
How does Apple make money on external GPU solutions?
If there's support, they will only be overpriced, mega-hyped third party GPU boxes.
Apple was never about extensibility

There won't be an external GPU dock.
Apple is and never was about gaming and since they refuse to support Vulkan, it'll be even less so once the outdated OpenGL implementation just won't cut it for new games.
Metal just isn't a replacement for Vulkan, it's a lot less featured, a pain to work with and only works on the Mac, which makes support for it in next-gem game engines less likely.
OpenGL worked OK because it was cross-platform, so the cost of porting to Mac was relatively low, considering you could also target Linux, Android etc. with it as well - not the case for Metal.
 
How does Apple make money on external GPU solutions?
If there's support, they will only be overpriced, mega-hyped third party GPU boxes.
Apple was never about extensibility

You cant go thin and light when it involves heavy duty GPU power. Something gotta give, so it makes sense to give the professional community what they want> GPU power. Hook it up via Thunderbolt 3, and you can fly with either MacBook Pro or iMac. Everyone is happy.
[doublepost=1476017835][/doublepost]Oh, and eGPU is not about gamers. It is about people that work pro with heavy duty video rendering and 3D rendering. They need it.
 
You cant go thin and light when it involves heavy duty GPU power. Something gotta give, so it makes sense to give the professional community what they want> GPU power. Hook it up via Thunderbolt 3, and you can fly with either MacBook Pro or iMac. Everyone is happy.
[doublepost=1476017835][/doublepost]Oh, and eGPU is not about gamers. It is about people that work pro with heavy duty video rendering and 3D rendering. They need it.
I understand all that. But you have to stop dreaming. It will never happen.
They might be horrible third party products that connect GPU over PCIe, but do you really want a metal box stuffed with fans and a 300 watts power supply on your desk?
That's all just hoping for better performing Apple products.
They will never come
 
You cant go thin and light when it involves heavy duty GPU power. Something gotta give, so it makes sense to give the professional community what they want> GPU power. Hook it up via Thunderbolt 3, and you can fly with either MacBook Pro or iMac. Everyone is happy.
[doublepost=1476017835][/doublepost]Oh, and eGPU is not about gamers. It is about people that work pro with heavy duty video rendering and 3D rendering. They need it.

For video editing they'll do what they've always done i.e. have an option with a small, relatively lacklustre, entry-level dGPU integrated in the laptops that'll just have to do for video editing.

Apple is all about being "one piece", "seamless" and "integrated" - no way they'll officially support an external GPU solution.
That does not mean Razer can't develop drivers for the Razer Core to support the Mac, just that Apple won't endorse anything like it.
 
That is misleading. Several generations have experienced a higher than normal rate of failure due to gpu problems. They can't handle a full cpu load + full gpu load. They throttle and/or drain the battery, although newer ones aren't as bad. Graphics switching can also be buggy. OpenCL performance in relative terms is also quite different from other things. Integrated may not be significantly slower. It has to be directly compared.

Exactly, it's honestly to the point where, either IF you KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FPS GAME, then you can live with an iGPU especially Iris Pro or Iris 6000+, there fine. I mean they even have h.264 support for video compression etc so there isn't much more you need...
 
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In my humble opinion, only the 12" rMB really needs Kaby Lake. All macs will have TB3 soon, and one of the key features of KL improving SL is the native support of TB3 without using an externar alpine ridge controller. As this controller takes some space, the rMB needs KL in order to support it.
However, it seems that new macbook pro will have more room in its chassis, so skylake + alpine ridge is amost a safe bet.
 
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I believe Nintendo paid Apple to promote their mobile strategy. Not the other way round.
There is no real incentive for Apple to promote any game on OSX.
Everyone would painfully realize that OSX cannot be a gaming platform. Even with metal.
The keyword here is "profit margins", not performance.
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Exactly right. The numbers of Macs sold compared to iPhones are minimal.

It's probably around 1/10, but that's no reason to let all the beautiful "Recognition of Quality" go to waste. I mean I think most of us know there are quite a few people who in the "before I had an iPhone I was on Windows" days, after using the iPhone bought a Mac [OR] bought an iPad.

I think we might see a 2nd cycle of people who are like wow this iPad was really cool how about finally getting that Mac.

So there is no reason for Apple to give the fight up to have a sweet Mac ready to buy. Instead of everywhere you look people saying, "Don't buy yet, don't buy yet, don't buy yet, don't buy yet, etc" That crap has to stop, the MacRumors website should only have at most 3 MONTHS of DON'T BUY! And then back to BUY BUY BUY.

This is sick...I mean this has been like 6 months+...
 
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I seen a rumor that Mafia III is planned for Mac... Comparing to Windows PCs, what kind of GPU do you see required? Wouldn't a major game release also be a nice thing for an event? Considering the Nintento / Pokemon hype now, I can imagine that we might see another collaboration with a major game developer... Rockstar would be awesome, if you ask me.

Civ VI comes out at the end of October, but even that turn-based game requires a quad core CPU. Even if Apple pretended to care about games for the duration of the event, I don't see them giving time for something that can't run on most of what they announce. But they might briefly mention Aspyr/Feral adding Touch Bar support for their games, or even demo something like DoW II, which is old but recently released, with the support.
 
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Civ VI comes out at the end of October, but even that turn-based game requires a quad core CPU. Even if Apple pretended to care about games for the duration of the event, I don't see them giving time for something that can't run on most of what they announce. But they might briefly mention Aspyr/Feral adding Touch Bar support for their games, or even demo something like DoW II, which is old but recently released, with the support.
When is it coming out for MacOS?
 
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