It comes out the 21st for PC, and Aspyr intends for a same-day release but they haven't confirmed it yet.
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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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It comes out the 21st for PC, and Aspyr intends for a same-day release but they haven't confirmed it yet.
I just sold my 13" late 2013 MacBook Pro today! I am ready for a new one now. I am consolidating a 27" iMac, 13" MBP and iPad Air 2 into a single device. It will probably be a 15" MBP with a 4/5k display attached.
I'd say mid 70s. My computer died after 3.5 years (i.e. late 80s) so that seems fair. It goes up exponentially at the end.
I'd say mid 70s. My computer died after 3.5 years (i.e. late 80s) so that seems fair. It goes up exponentially at the end.
Mine is over 5 years old, I can't begin to imagine how it would look if it was human, based on your estimation
It seems silly to include something they're considering the "future of laptops" exclusively on the larger 15" model which has never sold as well as the 13". It makes sense to have the dGPU only on the 15" since that's more a niche thing, but it seems like they would want the OLED bar to become an integral part of their OS and laptop "experience". Otherwise why even include it? Why make a gimmick that's exclusive to the larger more "niche" laptop?
Then again, they do include more features on the bigger iPhone. So maybe that's just the way they're going to do things...
That's due to space considerations, which isn't really a concern here (either way, there will be a function row.)
The 13" case leak showed an area for the Touch Bar, so I'm not worried.
Chinese rumours are invariably coming out of the supply chain, the problem with supply chain rumours is they can say what is included in a piece of hardware but they don't necessarily know how that product is going to be marketed or what the product is going to be called as they may or may not have seen the packaging or a specific component that has the product name printed on it.
There have been various instances of Chinese supply chain rumours getting things mixed up, the best one being "iPhone Math". Clearly that should've been iPhone Plus and has got lost in translation.
I would be surprised if only the 15 inch got this OLED touch bar.
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About one Mac Pro refresh?
thats valid, but the chinese people said they scrapped the idea of the 13 getting the touch bar. hence, it was in the works at some point (the case leak), but has since then been scrapped.
I wouldn't read too much into anything that hasn't come from somebody with a solid track record (Ming Chi Kuo/Gurman) there was somebody on here posting stuff they had read on a Chinese forum prior to the March event and I dont think any of it turned out to be right.
[doublepost=1476036774][/doublepost]I will say this though the argument about the phone and putting more features on the bigger phone is valid I think. I know they claim space restraints but I don't think there was any reason why they couldn't have included OIS on the iPhone 6/6s I think it was purely a marketing decision with a view to upselling people on to the bigger phone thus increasing their ASP s
[doublepost=1476036774][/doublepost]I will say this though the argument about the phone and putting more features on the bigger phone is valid I think. I know they claim space restraints but I don't think there was any reason why they couldn't have included OIS on the iPhone 6/6s I think it was purely a marketing decision with a view to upselling people on to the bigger phone thus increasing their ASP s
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They've never cancelled a product without its replacement in place. The 5K display may never come. Adding a gpu is even more backwards. It'll end up being a dead end product, given that displays have a much longer refresh cycle than gpus (even today).
I would imagine they would put a high end one in a display, they also could make it work along side what ever gpu is in your computer for even more performance gains. Another thing is Apple would probably like the idea of people buying new displays more often.
Apple has never really done that before. If they went with the one in the top imac, it would push the price to a point where too few people would buy the thing. I think you would get something that is essentially midrange for the imac and a $1300-1400 price, which again is likely to be a poor seller. It sounds cool, but after the first 12 months or so, few people will buy it.
I'm sure they would but it will never happen at the prices they charge.
Cant see much chance of Apple interating on a product like that on a regular basis anyway.
I started a waiting for coffee lake MacBook Pro thread but it got shut down
According to Aspyr website:
Minimum System Requirements
Operating System: MacOS 10.11 (El Capitan)
CPU Processor: Intel Core i5 (4 cores)
CPU Speed: 2.3 GHz
Memory: 6 GB
Hard Disk Space: 15 GB
Video Card (ATI): Radeon HD 6790
Video Card (NVIDIA): GeForce 650M
Video Card (Intel): Iris Pro
Video Memory (VRam): 1 GB
Peripherals: Macintosh mouse and keyboard, Steam Controller (optional)
IF I am reading that right, of the current MacBook Pros, Only the current 15" MacBook pros would meet the minimum system requirements??? Will the upcoming 13" MacBook Pros be able to run this game?
Technically no, because they are dual core. I'm guessing it might run OK but turns will get long in the endgame.
Well the Iris Pro is getting better all the time and the next one should finally support some acceptable gaming performance...
But
I have the current rMBP with AMD dGPU and do I wish it had more GPU performance? Absolutely!
And not just for FPS. Modern games can be demanding and look and feel smoother and better with faster graphics regardless of genre. I just bought a relatively simple-looking 2D platformer game called Oxenfree and through Bootcamp the AMD M370X dGPU can't even sustain 60 FPS at 1080p in that game (and remember the resolution of the rMBP is much higher than that).
Interested in the new Civilization game? You'll need a fast dedicated mobile chip to play that at 1080p/60 with good graphics settings, especially in the late game. Doubtful the next iGPU will do 1080p/60 at medium to high graphics but it's not yet out so time will tell.
Can you turn down the graphics and get away with lower-than-60 frame rates? Of course. But everything does look and feel better when it approaches or can sustain 60 Hz and it's nice to see enhanced visuals too.
To say you only need a dGPU for FPS games is misleading and untrue. Another example is a city-builder game called Cities Skylines which can be very demanding when the city grows large and it has to draw thousands of buildings and cars and people.
I think if you only like simple arcade-style games and don't do 3D work, video, CAD/GIS or even high-end photography you can get away with an iGPU. The iGPU is good for spreadsheets, databases, programming/coding/web, writing, typesetting/desktop publishing and certain types of data analysis like statistics (SPSS) etc. If you work or plan to work with media (graphics, video, photos), 3D modelling or enjoy gaming then I recommend getting a dGPU.
I used to have a 17" MBP and when gaming on that it became too hot to touch in places (seriously burn-worthy) but still it never died (the adapter did but not the laptop, you could've fried an egg on that adapter)! The newer rMBPs are much better and the next Skylake rMBP will be much better again because of the shrink in processor fabrication from 28 to 16 mm for AMD Polaris. There's a pretty attractive slim laptop with Nvidia 1060 in it too, can't remember the brand. Apple has traditionally used only lower-mid to mid-range graphics cards in its Pro laptops and graphics are one of the first things to fall behind. Having said that there are plenty of legitimate Pro uses for which graphics are unimportant (as described above).
I certainly don't think the cons in having a dGPU outweigh the pros, if there are even any cons anymore. It's either a cost factor or a need factor. If you need it and/or can afford it there's hardly any downside to having it.
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So you guys think the 13" skylake MBP will not be available in a quad-core version?
It would be so bad.
I love gaming.
I have a PS4 for that.
Not wanting to offend anyone, but given the challenge of putting some serious graphical power into a thin envelope like a MBP one should consider their priorities. A MBP is a workhorse first, at least to me. If Apple allows (or even delivers a first party solution for it) something like the razer core, things change entirely of course!
I think not. There's plenty of space for a high-quality dual-core computer in the Mac lineup:
- The MacBook is the super-portable fun machine. For people with dough to blow.
- The Air is the cheap, portable, but useful machine. For the people who need a good computer and like the Apple ecosystem, but don't have the money or need for a professional device.
- The Pro 13" is the average-sized general work machine. Meant for the average public who like using their computer for more than just the bare essentials and have money to spare. Dual-core machine is good enough for this, as long as the processors used are quite a bit better than those used in the Air.
- The Pro 15" is the truly professional device. Useful for all but the most niche users. You can play any game you want, but maybe tweak the settings down a bit. You can edit dozens of hours of 4K video no problem, but it might occasionally be a tad slow. THIS computer has to be quad-core, no question. Dual-core would just be silliness
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