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Waiting for Skylake MBP thread
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Great, now you've got me doing it too.
Jesus christ. I knew I shouldn't have come here. The last time I visited this forum was in mid June. Now I'm back, refreshing this thread and checking it compulsively every hour (at least today and yesterday) it seems.
I thought I could resist being sucked into this pit of despair with you guys but I guess I was wrong.
I thought I could resist being sucked into this pit of despair with you guys but I guess I was wrong.
Haha that's funny adding November now. Then what when you get to November it becomes November/December? Hehe
This thread is too funny!
October isn't happening.
March 2017 is reserved for iPads and Kaby Lake MacBooks in matte black.
WWDC 17 is a software-only event. God forbid anyone suggest they show hardware.
September 2017 confirmed. No... it can't overshadow the iPhone. How silly of me.
October 2017. Wait, they don't do October events.
March 2018? That's reserved for watch bands.
WWDC 18 is software-only.
WHEN DOES IT END.
March 2017 is reserved for iPads and Kaby Lake MacBooks in matte black.
WWDC 17 is a software-only event. God forbid anyone suggest they show hardware.
September 2017 confirmed. No... it can't overshadow the iPhone. How silly of me.
October 2017. Wait, they don't do October events.
March 2018? That's reserved for watch bands.
WWDC 18 is software-only.
WHEN DOES IT END.
I've waited a year and a half for this, a month and a half is nothing
I'm giving them until October 31st, since there are actually rumors from credible sources saying October. If there truly is nothing released this October, then I'm buying a Windows laptop and I will sell it/return it and get the Mac whenever it does come out.
This thread is as sad as the presidential election. Everyone just wants it to be over.
If Microsoft updates the surface book and Apple releases nothing, I might take a look at that.
Hi Waiting for Skylake crew, just looking at the schedule for the FCPX Creative Summit starting on October 27th (!) in Cupertino.
Friday 28th 2.30-3.30pm
DeAnza Theater | Apple Campus: Update from Apple Product Team
Friday 28th 2.30-3.30pm
DeAnza Theater | Apple Campus: Update from Apple Product Team
Except for the few people who don't need a new computer. They're just watching like:
PROCESSORS
Apple has in the past used 28-watt-class U-series Intel Core Dual-Core-CPUs for the 13'' MBP, and 47-watt-class H(Q) Intel Core Quad-Core CPUs for the 15''. Both of those have always been used with the best iGPU available, which since Haswell has been dubbed "Iris (Pro)" by Intel.
Judging from the past, Apple will use the following CPUs for the 13'' model: Intel Core i5-6267U, Intel Core i5-6287U, Intel Core i7-6567U. Those processors have been released since Q1 2016, but they only been showing up in a very low volume VAIO-laptop so far.
For the 15'': Intel Core i7-6770HQ, Intel Core i7-6870HQ, Intel Core i7-6970HQ. While these have officially been launched in Q1 2016, only the 6770 has been seen in the wild, and that only in Intel's own mini-computer (NUC), and that only since 06/2016.
About Kaby Lake: Intel's newest leaked roadmap indicates that chips suitable for the 13'' MBP (2+3e, U-processors top line) are due in mid-Q1 2017, chips appropriate for the 15'' MBP (4+4e, H-processors top line) are not planned at all at the moment, replacement will be Coffee Lake in mid-Q2 2018. This means, that unless Apple waits till about February 2017 for a release, we will not see Kaby Lake in any MBP. If they wait that long, we could get 13'' Kaby Lake MBPs, but 15'' are no possibility.
This all of course only applies if Apple sticks to their current CPU usage. No rumor so far indicates that Apple is changing that.
iMac 27" uses S-GT2 (first graphic, S, second line, Kabylake available Q4/16)
iMac 21" uses S-GT4 (first graphic, S, first line, Skylake available Q4/16)
MBP 15" uses H-GT4 (second graphic, H, first line, Skylake supposed to be available since Q2/16, Kabylake not planned at all, Coffee Lake planed Q2/18)
MBP 13" uses U-GT3 (second graphic, U 28w, first line, Kabylake available Q1/17)
MBA both use U-GT3 (second graphic, U 15w, first line, Kabylake available Q1/17)
MB uses Y-GT2 (second graphic, Y, Kabylake available since Q3/16)
MM uses same as 13'' MBP, used to offer same as 15'' MBP till 2012
MP uses Xeon E5 single processor, the 16xx-line. Currently uses Ivy Bridge, Haswell available since Q3/14, Broadwell available since Q2/16. Skylake is due ~Q3/17.
GPUs
Historically, Apple has been using iGPUs in most of it's laptops (except the mid- and top-tier 15'' MBPs). iGPUs make sense for a couple of reasons, as they draw a lot less power (e.g. 45 watts for CPU+iGPU vs. 45 watts for CPU + say 75 watts for a GeForce 1060), they offer sufficient performance for most users, they are less likely to cause issues, and less costly for Apple. With Skylake, Intel has boosted the iGPUs heavily. This makes it plausible that Apple is sticking to it's behavior and will use top-class iGPUs for all of it's products, as they are available (28-watt U-class gets Iris 550, 45-watt HQ-class gets Iris 580, MacBook Air suited 15-watt U-class gets Iris 540). If Apple were abandoning the top-class iGPUs, they could have released newer MacBooks for almost a year, so it seems unlikely they make the change now.
For dGPUs, Apple has been using AMD offerings in the last years, because of their better compliance with OpenCL, which Apple heavily uses in it's pro Apps. Nvidia promotes it's own CUDA-architecture, which would not be profitable to overall performance. Another point to consider is the fact that Apple grants very little power to the 15'' MBP dGPUs, to make a thin, light and long-battery-time design possible. The MagSafe charger gives you the idea: It offers 85 watts, which, when you subtract the 45 watts for the CPU, leaves a theoretical absolute maximum of 40 watts for the dGPU. In that class, Nvidia has no offerings at the moment that are faster that the Iris 580, as even the smallest Pascal-chip (the 1060) requires ~75 watts. AMD's Polaris GPUs however are more fitting, as the Radeon 480m requires 35 watts, while performing at theoretically double the speed of the Iris 580. Thus, it seems likely that – if Apple can make room for a dGPU in a possible redesign – the Radeon 480m will be used.
SSDs
Speculation has been going on about Apple raising the base models from 128/256GB to 256/512GB. Since the rMB is shipping with 256GB as a minimum, this does not seem to be too far stretched. Prices for SSDs have also been coming down a lot. Keep in mind that Apple uses PCIe SSDs, which are a lot faster and more expensive than consumer SATA SSDs.
A 2TB option could be available, but is just now technically possible. Samsung introduced the 960 Pro in a 2TB tier a few weeks back, Apple's custom SSDs are often based on Samsung technology. Keep in mind that MBPs use a M2-style form factor, and won't fit a 2,5'' 4TB 850 Evo. (thanks @CaliKW)
RAM
Skylake introduces support for DDR4 RAM, and since even normal DDR4 uses lower voltage (and thus power) than DDR3L, it seems plausible for Apple to switch to DDR4.
Also, DDR4 offers support for 16GB per channel, while DDR3L supports 8GB per channel. The MBP uses a two-channel RAM setup, doubling the technical maximum from 16GB to 32GB. As the MBP has not seen it's maximum RAM increase in a while, and the technical possibility being there, I don't see a reason why Apple should not include a 32GB option.
…to be continued. Please help me in making this a comprehensive FAQ-style post.
I'm not going to start the ARM-discussion again.
When talking about AMD being an alternative: It all depends on how good Zen really is. If Zen can perform similar to Kaby Lake, then the custom chip designs AMD offers could be a great thing for Apple. Being able to add graphics power not in a Iris 520 vs Iris 580 vs dGPU-manner, but much more fine-grained, could be really great. Also, they could probably get involved in designing the chips, without having to shoulder the whole R&D (which wouldn't pay off for the Mac business).
But first, AMD would have to deliver. And would have to keep delivering. AMD has had really good offerings in the past (remember the first Athlon 64s outperforming the Pentium 4?), but they haven't been very reliable in that field.
Yes but there are code strings in the MacOs Sierra Kernel that suggest support for Arm being added. Its obviously not going to be in the next version of the MacBook Pro but it seems like there might be something ARM based coming.
I'm not going to discuss this as it has been discussed for ~30 pages not two weeks ago.
Didn't the last FCPX event have an NDA'd part - pre release larger FCPX update (possibly something relating to VR) and potentially even using pre release hardware (not that they'd say that part)?
Mac Pro crowd waiting just like the Mac mini and the iMac crowd alongside MBP waiters.
Least the iMac waiters have 7700K Kaby Lake coming out first to keep them positive!
I think the last 15/20 pages were one of the funniest part of the whole thread. Can't imagine what will happen during all the second half of October. We're making history. I think this little piece of internet has become the last hope for a lot of people before jumping out of the window with their old laptop.
Seriously, whenever this wait will be over, we have to find a place to keep in touch and remember good ol' crazy 2016, like a Facebook group or something... should be named "SKYLAKERS"!
Seriously, whenever this wait will be over, we have to find a place to keep in touch and remember good ol' crazy 2016, like a Facebook group or something... should be named "SKYLAKERS"!
Three outcomes:
Positive: The event starts after the announcement and release of new macs so the participants can use cutting edge technology (and work as advertising for the amazing things... blahblah).
Negative: There won't be any event in October so Apple didn't care at all if it was scheduled on the supposed release date.
Meh: It was just a coincidence and besides the location and partnership with Apple, it's not related at all. Apple will make its updates and whatever they do at the FCPX Summit is meaningless to them.
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Don't worry; we all will be at the "Waiting for XXXLake MBP Thread".
Apparently so.
Well the update from the Apple product team is likely to be a new version of Final Cut Pro X but the timing of the release is interesting. Would they release something like that without having new hardware out?
Its also worth considering the rumoured OLED touch bar on the new Macbook, if they are going to be contextual you could imagine there being features in the new version of Final Cut related to it.
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