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Then Apple better drop the price way down for the Macbook. Having your lowest price notebook >$1000 would be pretty stupid. As it stands, the 11" and 13" MBA are the entry level machines selling for sub-$1000. They need that price point.

I'm not a fan of the macbook. The 12" display is a little too small for my taste. The short travel keys are also a pita.

I'd much rather see an mba or mbp with edge to edge 14" display with the current complement of ports.
 
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I think they will drop it. The design and built process is expensive the first generation, just look at the first macbook air it was 1799$ with only one USB port... they could even let the base model macbook at 900$ and still have profits, because the only thing expensive in it is the screen...



Sure it will be faster but for an entry level device it's not a big deal. The 15W Skylake-U will fit better on the 13-14 "new macbook" or the 15-16
I know.

Speaking about MacBooks, it actually reminds me about the plastic one before. I think it's pretty even many would consider it lacks of premium feels in it. I would love if Apple can remaking a plastic devices, 5c it's pretty different and unique so we're the old iMac G3 and plastic MacBooks.
(Although I do like metals more, but the freshness of the plastics just remarkable)
 
I'm not a fan of the macbook. The 12" display is a little too small for my taste. The short travel keys are also a pita.

I'd much rather see an mba or mbp with edge to edge 14" display with the current complement of ports.
I tried once and I like the butterfly keys, but I see some programmers complaining about this keyboard isn't good for heavy usages (I don't know about this, I'm not a heavy typer but I typed a lot as well).

They may know that those short travel keys weren't for everyone yet, that's why they developed new scissors for the magic keyboard.
 
I know.

Speaking about MacBooks, it actually reminds me about the plastic one before. I think it's pretty even many would consider it lacks of premium feels in it. I would love if Apple can remaking a plastic devices, 5c it's pretty different and unique so we're the old iMac G3 and plastic MacBooks.
(Although I do like metals more, but the freshness of the plastics just remarkable)
Personal experience:
The first macbook that I had was when the full body aluminum was introduced, at that point it was a no-brainer, perfect introduction to the Apple ecosystem, it offered something unique in design, body robustness and heat capabilities (akin to the MacPro redesign). Going back to plastic would make it feel as going backwards to me, I avoided them until the aluminum design, it might look 'premium' the first day but after months of use looking at those of friends, they got tons of scratches, discolouration, grease patches (specially the trackpad), etc.
Although it is about the owner, you can also see on the streets from mint condition to beaten-up 2015 macbook's.

That being said, I will echo others regarding a space gray, rose gold, silver options for new rMBPs.

If they do come back with plastic finishes though, no doubt it will be made up to standards and with advantages over previous designs.
 
i don't think apple for main product will ever come back to plastic
heck- they made the first full metal mac - the macbook

it really will be a redesign or something, Apple is known to take a good thing from a product (Macbook) and make it available to the rest of the family like macbook pro
i am referring here to the energy efficient screen, i think they need to make macbook pros screen more energy efficient like the 12" macbook
and second, to be available in 3 colours to choose
and third think is more like a wish of mine to adopt the future usb-c and remove the old legacy like they always do, i don't think in 2016 will be the year for the 3.5 jack to be removed from macs (only from iPhone 7) but if they adopt usb-c instead of usb 3 they can achieve what they always want-a thiner and lighter pro mac

its time for Apple to make a 13" MBP that has 2.5 pounds and the 15" that has 3.5 pounds or not heavier than 4 pounds
 
Personal experience:
The first macbook that I had was when the full body aluminum was introduced, at that point it was a no-brainer, perfect introduction to the Apple ecosystem, it offered something unique in design, body robustness and heat capabilities (akin to the MacPro redesign). Going back to plastic would make it feel as going backwards to me, I avoided them until the aluminum design, it might look 'premium' the first day but after months of use looking at those of friends, they got tons of scratches, discolouration, grease patches (specially the trackpad), etc.
Although it is about the owner, you can also see on the streets from mint condition to beaten-up 2015 macbook's.

That being said, I will echo others regarding a space gray, rose gold, silver options for new rMBPs.

If they do come back with plastic finishes though, no doubt it will be made up to standards and with advantages over previous designs.
Another thing I doubt might be plastic can't be durable if it's too thin. They choose aluminum for a good reason and I love it (aluminum maybe the material that I liked the best), but it would be somewhat plain after years of using it, and plastic can have the different and fresh feeling from it once it's done right. But you're right, maybe the aluminum it's the perfect material for them right now and plastics can't have many benefits.
i don't think apple for main product will ever come back to plastic
heck- they made the first full metal mac - the macbook

it really will be a redesign or something, Apple is known to take a good thing from a product (Macbook) and make it available to the rest of the family like macbook pro
i am referring here to the energy efficient screen, i think they need to make macbook pros screen more energy efficient like the 12" macbook
and second, to be available in 3 colours to choose
and third think is more like a wish of mine to adopt the future usb-c and remove the old legacy like they always do, i don't think in 2016 will be the year for the 3.5 jack to be removed from macs (only from iPhone 7) but if they adopt usb-c instead of usb 3 they can achieve what they always want-a thiner and lighter pro mac

its time for Apple to make a 13" MBP that has 2.5 pounds and the 15" that has 3.5 pounds or not heavier than 4 pounds
yeah, energy-efficient screens and USB-C, but when they opened that factory? Wouldn't be a little late for MacBook Pros if they just opened last month (if they did)
 
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Actually speaking about the new MacBook, it's 1.3GHz Core M were probably custom made from Intel and it's 100MHz ahead of its time (which I think it is, since I don't know anything other than MacBook uses a 100MHz faster Core M). Couldn't they do the same thing for the rMBPs? Like an option for a 100MHz faster CPU?
 
DO YOU GUYS think teh skylake macbook might come out this year?? We haz six days left in the year! Should I wait for new macbook or does make sense I just get current model!?
if you want to buy a macbook and not a macbook pro, then wait until March, the upgraded model will be maybe a 100$ cheap but with much better iGPU and probably with 1 more hour of battery
 
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DO YOU GUYS think teh skylake macbook might come out this year?? We haz six days left in the year! Should I wait for new macbook or does make sense I just get current model!?

Looks like next time you'll have to attach a sarcasm tag.
 
Hi - I'm hoping to get some genuine responses and not sarcasm on this. I depend on my MBP for work, it's my livelihood. That said, I'm running a 2008 MBP. Yep, 2008 - the unibody. It's still kicking, but only after too many battery replacements (user replaceable battery on this one is a bonus), an HD upgrade to 500GB from the original 250 (if memory serves), maxed out the ram, but it's way, way outdated now.

Or is it? .

Anyway, this year I've had a really great year for business - finally - and I've been thinking that buying a computer will help out on the tax front as it's an expense for business. But the latest MBP is "old" and is due for a new version per the measured product cycle according to this site. And, in theory, this new USB-C will be the bee's knees and a bag of chips.
Skylake... after reading this thread I'm not sure if it's that much of huge leap compared to Haswell, but any upgrade is nice. The USB-C thing is a sticking point though and I fear that if I buy the 'current' (ie, old) MBP I'll soon be left for wanting as peripherals will be coming out for USB-C. I tend to keep my computers running for a long, long time and I remember when I once had a bunch of Firewire external drives and periphs, and that was eventually "outdated"... so I sort of want to prevent this inevitable future as long as I can.

So the question is, given my history and circumstances -
Should I buy a maxed out refurb MBP (released May '15, I think) while still in this current fiscal year, to apply to this years taxes...

Or should I wait a little while longer and get a new new MBP?
Skylake is delayed, but that USB-C thing... that's huge for me.

What do you think? Wait? Buy?

Thanks for your help on this.

edit: it may help if you knew what kind of work I currently do and what I want to do.
Currently: graphic design mostly print and web (example, Adobe Suite), architectural design (AutoCAD, SketchUp)
Future/learning tech: Rhino3D (native Mac), Solidworks (using parallels), Adobe CC but also doing video work with AfterEffects & Premiere
 
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Hi - I'm hoping to get some genuine responses and not sarcasm on this. I depend on my MBP for work, it's my livelihood. That said, I'm running a 2008 MBP. Yep, 2008 - the unibody. It's still kicking, but only after too many battery replacements (user replaceable battery on this one is a bonus), an HD upgrade to 500GB from the original 250 (if memory serves), maxed out the ram, but it's way, way outdated now.

Or is it? .

Anyway, this year I've had a really great year for business - finally - and I've been thinking that buying a computer will help out on the tax front as it's an expense for business. But the latest MBP is "old" and is due for a new version per the measured product cycle according to this site. And, in theory, this new USB-C will be the bee's knees and a bag of chips.
Skylake... after reading this thread I'm not sure if it's that much of huge leap compared to Haswell, but any upgrade is nice. The USB-C thing is a sticking point though and I fear that if I buy the 'current' (ie, old) MBP I'll soon be left for wanting as peripherals will be coming out for USB-C. I tend to keep my computers running for a long, long time and I remember when I once had a bunch of Firewire external drives and periphs, and that was eventually "outdated"... so I sort of want to prevent this inevitable future as long as I can.

So the question is, given my history and circumstances -
Should I buy a maxed out refurb MBP (released May '15, I think) while still in this current fiscal year, to apply to this years taxes...

Or should I wait a little while longer and get a new new MBP?
Skylake is delayed, but that USB-C thing... that's huge for me.

What do you think? Wait? Buy?

Thanks for your help on this.

edit: it may help if you knew what kind of work I currently do and what I want to do.
Currently: graphic design mostly print and web (example, Adobe Suite), architectural design (AutoCAD, SketchUp)
Future/learning tech: Rhino3D (native Mac), Solidworks (using parallels), Adobe CC but also doing video work with AfterEffects & Premiere

Just apply to next year's taxes if you want. Section 179 is permanent and 50% bonus depreciation is available till 2019.
 
Hi - I'm hoping to get some genuine responses and not sarcasm on this. I depend on my MBP for work, it's my livelihood. That said, I'm running a 2008 MBP. Yep, 2008 - the unibody. It's still kicking, but only after too many battery replacements (user replaceable battery on this one is a bonus), an HD upgrade to 500GB from the original 250 (if memory serves), maxed out the ram, but it's way, way outdated now.

Or is it? .

Anyway, this year I've had a really great year for business - finally - and I've been thinking that buying a computer will help out on the tax front as it's an expense for business. But the latest MBP is "old" and is due for a new version per the measured product cycle according to this site. And, in theory, this new USB-C will be the bee's knees and a bag of chips.
Skylake... after reading this thread I'm not sure if it's that much of huge leap compared to Haswell, but any upgrade is nice. The USB-C thing is a sticking point though and I fear that if I buy the 'current' (ie, old) MBP I'll soon be left for wanting as peripherals will be coming out for USB-C. I tend to keep my computers running for a long, long time and I remember when I once had a bunch of Firewire external drives and periphs, and that was eventually "outdated"... so I sort of want to prevent this inevitable future as long as I can.

So the question is, given my history and circumstances -
Should I buy a maxed out refurb MBP (released May '15, I think) while still in this current fiscal year, to apply to this years taxes...

Or should I wait a little while longer and get a new new MBP?
Skylake is delayed, but that USB-C thing... that's huge for me.

What do you think? Wait? Buy?

Thanks for your help on this.

edit: it may help if you knew what kind of work I currently do and what I want to do.
Currently: graphic design mostly print and web (example, Adobe Suite), architectural design (AutoCAD, SketchUp)
Future/learning tech: Rhino3D (native Mac), Solidworks (using parallels), Adobe CC but also doing video work with AfterEffects & Premiere
seems that you need the new skylake one, this does not have even broadwell, and you need the much improved HD 580 vs old Iris Pro 5200, and yes usb-c for you will be a big deal since you want to have it for more than 3-4 years
 
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I seen somewhere online that USB-C supports charging from things like power banks would we see this with the rMBP? would be awesome to have that option. :)
 
Hi - I'm hoping to get some genuine responses and not sarcasm on this. I depend on my MBP for work, it's my livelihood. That said, I'm running a 2008 MBP. Yep, 2008 - the unibody. It's still kicking, but only after too many battery replacements (user replaceable battery on this one is a bonus), an HD upgrade to 500GB from the original 250 (if memory serves), maxed out the ram, but it's way, way outdated now.

Or is it? .

Anyway, this year I've had a really great year for business - finally - and I've been thinking that buying a computer will help out on the tax front as it's an expense for business. But the latest MBP is "old" and is due for a new version per the measured product cycle according to this site. And, in theory, this new USB-C will be the bee's knees and a bag of chips.
Skylake... after reading this thread I'm not sure if it's that much of huge leap compared to Haswell, but any upgrade is nice. The USB-C thing is a sticking point though and I fear that if I buy the 'current' (ie, old) MBP I'll soon be left for wanting as peripherals will be coming out for USB-C. I tend to keep my computers running for a long, long time and I remember when I once had a bunch of Firewire external drives and periphs, and that was eventually "outdated"... so I sort of want to prevent this inevitable future as long as I can.

So the question is, given my history and circumstances -
Should I buy a maxed out refurb MBP (released May '15, I think) while still in this current fiscal year, to apply to this years taxes...

Or should I wait a little while longer and get a new new MBP?
Skylake is delayed, but that USB-C thing... that's huge for me.

What do you think? Wait? Buy?

Thanks for your help on this.

edit: it may help if you knew what kind of work I currently do and what I want to do.
Currently: graphic design mostly print and web (example, Adobe Suite), architectural design (AutoCAD, SketchUp)
Future/learning tech: Rhino3D (native Mac), Solidworks (using parallels), Adobe CC but also doing video work with AfterEffects & Premiere

I am in the same situation. I have a 2008 MBPro. I accidently dropped my device in april andthe screen broke. I decided to wait for a skylake release and now I desperately wait for a new rMBPro Generation. I hope the will release something in January. Another wait till April would be very hard to stand for me.
 
I hope the will release something in January. Another wait till April would be very hard to stand for me.

Honestly, I don't think we'll be seeing an update until at least February.
There were probably a lot of "old" macbooks under the Christmas tree today (those who couldn't wait, didn't know better or were gifts). Apple will probably want to wait at least 30 days (end of upgrade/exchange period) from today until releasing a new model. Makes the most business sense.

That being said, I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Honestly, I don't think we'll be seeing an update until at least February.
There were probably a lot of "old" macbooks under the Christmas tree today (those who couldn't wait, didn't know better or were gifts). Apple will probably want to wait at least 30 days (end of upgrade/exchange period) from today until releasing a new model. Makes the most business sense.

That being said, I hope I'm wrong.
At least not June.
Speaking of Christmas...I started to get my interest on iPad Mini, since Apple suggests it's ideal for traveling and use it on the road.
 
Actually speaking about the new MacBook, it's 1.3GHz Core M were probably custom made from Intel and it's 100MHz ahead of its time (which I think it is, since I don't know anything other than MacBook uses a 100MHz faster Core M). Couldn't they do the same thing for the rMBPs? Like an option for a 100MHz faster CPU?

The MacBook's M-5Y71 chip is not a custom made chip. As stated on Intel's website, the base frequency for this chip is 1.2 GHz, but it is configurable by the vendor up to 1.4 GHz, at which point its TDP goes from 4.5W to 6W. Apple probably chose 1.3 GHz as a compromise between 1.2 and 1.4 GHz for thermal reasons.

Source:
http://ark.intel.com/products/84672/Intel-Core-M-5Y71-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz

Apple hasn't had a custom chip from Intel since the original MBA in 2008. And besides, if Apple were to bother trying to procure a custom chip, it would have to be for something far more worth it than a measly 100 MHz clock speed increase (on a low-volume build to order option, no less).
 
Thanks for the replies everyone, very helpful. I'll hold my breath a bit longer and wait... February would be doable, but a June release might be unbearable.

In the same boat as you! Would love to update my MBP 2011, but I'm just going to hold off.
My current MBP has suffered too much... Radeongate, my fans failed and my hard drive is starting to show signals of failing, 4GB of ram isn't cutting it, etc.

With a logic board and batteries that were replaced just a year ago, fans and new hard drive being replaced right now, and upgrading it to 8GB ram when I get it back, I hope I'll be able to sell it for a good price and help me upgrade whenever Skylake comes out!
 
The MacBook's M-5Y71 chip is not a custom made chip. As stated on Intel's website, the base frequency for this chip is 1.2 GHz, but it is configurable by the vendor up to 1.4 GHz, at which point its TDP goes from 4.5W to 6W. Apple probably chose 1.3 GHz as a compromise between 1.2 and 1.4 GHz for thermal reasons.

Source:
http://ark.intel.com/products/84672/Intel-Core-M-5Y71-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz

Apple hasn't had a custom chip from Intel since the original MBA in 2008. And besides, if Apple were to bother trying to procure a custom chip, it would have to be for something far more worth it than a measly 100 MHz clock speed increase (on a low-volume build to order option, no less).
I've never noticed that in ARK, my bad.
And it seems no TDP-up options for quad cores (6920HQ).
do you think we might have a chance to see that Iris Pro version i7 are having any MHz boosts other than Iris Pro?
 
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I seen somewhere online that USB-C supports charging from things like power banks would we see this with the rMBP? would be awesome to have that option. :)
The presence of a USB-C port alone doesn't guarantee this. The device's internal charger must be designed to accept the voltage coming out of the powerpack. Also keep in mind that the MBP battery has a much higher capacity than, say, an iPad battery. A very big and heavy powerbank would be required to charge it. Even the 12" Macbook can only be trickle charged from a normal powerbank, even though its battery is much smaller than the MBP's.
 
The USB-C thing is a sticking point though and I fear that if I buy the 'current' (ie, old) MBP I'll soon be left for wanting as peripherals will be coming out for USB-C. I tend to keep my computers running for a long, long time and I remember when I once had a bunch of Firewire external drives and periphs, and that was eventually "outdated"... so I sort of want to prevent this inevitable future as long as I can.
I think there is actually a bigger chance of USB-C becoming the next Firewire or Thunderbolt. Even if it can establish itself, it will take many years until it even comes close to achieving the ubiquity of USB type A. So, personally I wouldn't worry too much about it in the next 5 years or so (and I would hate to lose Magsafe, which has saved my laptop from being pulled off of tables many times). Of course there may be other reasons for you to wait for the next generation MBP (especially if Apple finally does a major redesign).
 
The presence of a USB-C port alone doesn't guarantee this. The device's internal charger must be designed to accept the voltage coming out of the powerpack. Also keep in mind that the MBP battery has a much higher capacity than, say, an iPad battery. A very big and heavy powerbank would be required to charge it. Even the 12" Macbook can only be trickle charged from a normal powerbank, even though its battery is much smaller than the MBP's.
I'm afraid someone might hooked three or four adapters at the same time...oh well
 
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