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Mr. Dee said:
Well, I was kinda focusing on the past 10 years, also regardless of those processor changes you mentioned, the classic Mac OS never changed, it was still the same Mac OS from 1984 to 2001.

Also, please note that Microsoft has never been with one chip the whole time, so I guess that's not in your memory bank. Windows NT was originally designed as a portable operating system. Version 3.1 to 4.0 supported MIPS, Alpha and PowerPC. Some Windows 2000 editions such as Datacenter and Advanced Server supported Itanium, along with XP and Server 2003 supporting Itanium on the desktop and server. These were limited to expensive workstations and high end servers. Also, Itanium support continued until Windows Server 2008.

We are all aware of Windows RT which itself flopped because of a lack of desktop apps.

Even though many of these processor technologies became defunct, the fact is, it was part of the Windows family at some point or another. Windows 10 and Server 2016 which are the current client and server versions can trace their lineages back these variants.

In fact, when Dave Cutler started work on NT, he intentionally did not target x86 to avoid being pulled into the architecture and purposely compiled and self hosted Windows NT initially on MIPS then compiled for other platforms.
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Yeah but they tried NT on other platforms but for the most part they weren't mainstream nor were they major breadwinners and some if not most, failed, the line I am talking about is the 3 - 95 - 98 - 2000 - XP - Vista - 7 - 8 - 10, the FRANCHISE OS, the ones that made the money.

I mean Apple had other projects such as A/UX and even AIX, Mac OS Server 1.0, etc, but these were not the Major Line or "Flagship OSes", I mean there are side projects that fail. But I am talking about the major mac line that was actually USED by CONSUMERS, in the millions, not a couple IT guys beta testing Server Hardware in the back...
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shareef777 said:
Right, Apple's worried about the financial's of the developers. Please, they're concerned with getting a 30% cut with EVERYTHING that gets put on an Apple device. I'll NEVER buy a device that can only run applications in a sandboxed environment. Fine for my phone/tablet, but not my workhorse. I don't know anyone that's fine with buying a all terrain vehicle, but then only being able to take it on manufacturer approved terrain. Makes sense for a rMB/Air sized device, but what's the point of doing that for a Pro machine. Pro users need to be able to customize their platform before anything else.
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Oh I know, it's going to be rough...
 
rezwits said:
Yeah but they tried NT on other platforms but for the most part they weren't mainstream nor were they major breadwinners and some if not most, failed, the line I am talking about is the 3 - 95 - 98 - 2000 - XP - Vista - 7 - 8 - 10, the FRANCHISE OS, the ones that made the money.

I mean Apple had other projects such as A/UX and even AIX, Mac OS Server 1.0, etc, but these were not the Major Line or "Flagship OSes", I mean there are side projects that fail. But I am talking about the major mac line that was actually USED by CONSUMERS, in the millions, not a couple IT guys beta testing Server Hardware in the back...
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Oh I know, it's going to be rough...
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While I agree that the 3 to 10 OS lines are the face of Microsoft, they're NOT the ones that made money. Heck, even Windows 10 is being distributed free now (believe that may expire soon though). They're equivalent to macOS (in that they practically give the OS away to sell something else). Their purpose was to get the desktop OS out there and then sell applications/services to make them the most functional. For Apple macOS is given out to sell hardware (which is why they don't make it available on hardware that's too old). The most lucrative of which is their Office line and behind that is their Server software (Windows Server, Exchange, SharePoint, etc). Then comes the OS. Even their relatively new Xbox division is not a distant 4th place (and ironically it runs Windows 10).
 
Email discussion with Waterfield (sfbags) tonight. Nothing new really but fun to ask.

Hi Bo15,
Thanks again for your Maxwell Sleeve pre-order. It has been a long wait for the updated MacBooks. Of course, we don’t know exactly what Apple has in store. Some strong rumors have pointed to a Thursday, October 27th announcement. But, if it doesn’t happen on that date, we are flexible— we know the MacBooks will be coming soon.
As soon as Apple announces the new MacBook sizes, we will start making our new size patterns, and production will start within days after receiving our new MacBook(s).
If you want to change your order based on what Apple announces - that’s fine - just try to let us know that first week after the announcement.
Keep in touch and let us know if there is anything we can do for you in the mean time.
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Me: Do you know Tim or any of the Apple guys? Any strong info about this month on Pros??

sfbags: I know him not well - and if I did - I doubt he’d tell me anything. Rumors are strong for an update soon - hopefully the 27th as predicted.
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shareef777 said:
While I agree that the 3 to 10 OS lines are the face of Microsoft, they're NOT the ones that made money. Heck, even Windows 10 is being distributed free now (believe that may expire soon though). They're equivalent to macOS (in that they practically give the OS away to sell something else). Their purpose was to get the desktop OS out there and then sell applications/services to make them the most functional. For Apple macOS is given out to sell hardware (which is why they don't make it available on hardware that's too old). The most lucrative of which is their Office line and behind that is their Server software (Windows Server, Exchange, SharePoint, etc). Then comes the OS. Even their relatively new Xbox division is not a distant 4th place (and ironically it runs Windows 10).
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I hate to disagree but those were the OSes (not 10) that everyone lined up at the stores with $100 or $200 in hand every release during the 1990-2005 (like iPhone lines). And any PC that sold with Windows installed MS got a hefty cut of the sale.

Now in the last 5-6 years they have transitioned to a Server Side Economy with a somewhat free Mainstream OS, but heck they even went back now with 10 and started charging money again. I know you can still get it free for a little more time, but that's gonna end soon I hear.

Apple is actually the one who didn't really make tons of money from their OS from 1990-2005. That's why they actually went to, you have to buy hardware, but you get the free OS model. With little pin pricks of this feature here and this feature there. WHICH I HATE!
 
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rezwits said:
I hate to disagree but those were the OSes (not 10) that everyone lined up at the stores with $100 or $200 in hand every release during the 1990-2005 (like iPhone lines). And any PC that sold with Windows installed MS got a hefty cut of the sale.

Now in the last 5-6 years they have transitioned to a Server Side Economy with a somewhat free Mainstream OS, but heck they even went back now with 10 and started charging money again. I know you can still get it free for a little more time, but that's gonna end soon I hear.

Apple is actually the one who didn't really make tons of money from their OS from 1990-2005. That's why they actually went to, you have to buy hardware, but you get the free OS model. With little pin pricks of this feature here and this feature there. WHICH I HATE!
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We don't disagree. I agree that they made a good chunk of money on their OS, but they've transitioned away from that model. Competition is just too strong.
 
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Actually this is my first time so caring about an Apple product releasing.
Just a quick question, what is accompanied by the invitation? I know it means a beautiful flier with some mysterious words on it and the picture that can be interpreted to predict the product. So why people are so desperate about the invitation? I mean even we have the invitation we still don't know what's on there, right?

Oh, this question is not really "quick":p
 
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jjiangweilan said:
Actually this is my first time so caring about an Apple product releasing.
Just a quick question, what is accompanied by the invitation? I know it means a beautiful flier with some mysterious words on it and the picture that can be interpreted to predict the product. So why people are so desperate about the invitation? I mean even we have the invitation we still don't know what's on there, right?

Oh, this question is not really "quick":p
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We just want the invite to confirm it is in fact coming before the turn of the next century lol.
 
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jjiangweilan said:
Actually this is my first time so caring about an Apple product releasing.
Just a quick question, what is accompanied by the invitation? I know it means a beautiful flier with some mysterious words on it and the picture that can be interpreted to predict the product. So why people are so desperate about the invitation? I mean even we have the invitation we still don't know what's on there, right?

Oh, this question is not really "quick":p
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True, Apple invitations are pretty cryptic. We technically won't know if it is referring to the Macs or their watch bands. We're all just assuming that the next invitation comes out will be for a Mac event.

But ignoring the Macs for yet ANOTHER event would be too douchey a thing to do. They KNOW how old their computers are, and how much built-up demand there is. With all the rumors of how this is supposed to be the most radical redesign in a decade, it's obvious that people will be anxiously expecting them. I mean, no one is THAT heartless.

Right....?
 
RohirrimV said:
True, Apple invitations are pretty cryptic. We technically won't know if it is referring to the Macs or their watch bands. We're all just assuming that the next invitation comes out will be for a Mac event.

But ignoring the Macs for yet ANOTHER event would be too douchey a thing to do. They KNOW how old their computers are, and how much built-up demand there is. With all the rumors of how this is supposed to be the most radical redesign in a decade, it's obvious that people will be anxiously expecting them. I mean, no one is THAT heartless.

Right....?
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Yeah, I hope I can bring my new Mac to the hackathon on 11th November.
 
RohirrimV said:
True, Apple invitations are pretty cryptic. We technically won't know if it is referring to the Macs or their watch bands. We're all just assuming that the next invitation comes out will be for a Mac event.

But ignoring the Macs for yet ANOTHER event would be too douchey a thing to do. They KNOW how old their computers are, and how much built-up demand there is. With all the rumors of how this is supposed to be the most radical redesign in a decade, it's obvious that people will be anxiously expecting them. I mean, no one is THAT heartless.

Right....?
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There wouldn't be enough to announce for an event, unless there were new Macs. The rest of their product lineup is set for a little while..

Unless..... iPods ARE MAKING THEIR RETURN!!!!!!!!
 
I just had a thought about the delay: Even though we don't know much about the OLED strip, it's obviously going to be the main new feature of the new Pro models and the main thing that sets it apart from the completion. So maybe the delay is due to Apple giving software companies time to support the touch bar in their software. Apple will no doubt come out with support for their own apps like Garage Band, iWork, iMovie and Safari but it would be even more impressive if they had the backing of other big software companies.

If Apple is serious about making sure the MBP appeals to the "Pro" market, they would have much more success if the OLED touch bar had support for "Pro" level software right at launch. I'd imagine they'd want to support programs like Photoshop, the various Autodesk design programs, Final Cut Pro and others. That would have a much bigger impact and it would help prove to people that the OLED touch bar is more than just a gimmick.

Whatever the case may be, Apple needs to get these new Macs out by the 27th. We've waited long enough. They can't expect people to keep buying their old laptops for full price.
 
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I just had a thought about the delay: Even though we don't know much about the OLED strip, it's obviously going to be the main new feature of the new Pro models and the main thing that sets it apart from the completion. So maybe the delay is due to Apple giving software companies time to support the touch bar in their software. Apple will no doubt come out with support for their own apps like Garage Band, iWork, iMovie and Safari but it would be even more impressive if they had the backing of other big software companies.

If Apple is serious about making sure the MBP appeals to the "Pro" market, they would have much more success if the OLED touch bar had support for "Pro" level software right at launch. I'd imagine they'd want to support programs like Photoshop, the various Autodesk design programs, Final Cut Pro and others. That would have a much bigger impact and it would help prove to people that the OLED touch bar is more than just a gimmick.

Whatever the case may be, Apple needs to get these new Macs out by the 27th. We've waited long enough. They can't expect people to keep buying their old laptops for full price.
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That certainly may be one factor, but I wouldn't expect it to cause more than a small delay (a month?). I think the real reasons for the delay are
  1. The appropriate Skylake chips for the 15" only came out Q2 '16. Since the whole chassis of the product is going to be updated I think Apple would have wanted to release all their models at the same time. It would look odd if the 13" came out first with an OLED bar and Skylake but the 15" professional version was left to languish with an old body and Haswell *shudder*
  2. Apple is a quality-oriented company, so they're not exactly going to pull a Samsung and throw out a product as fast as possible. I'm thinking they left an extra few weeks after receiving the chips in volume for rigorous QC.
  3. The thing you said with the developers and the OLED bar.
  4. Maybe by this time they realized that MacOS would only be finished and perfected by right about now, so they just kind of hung back for the rest of the time.
This way EVERYTHING--from the OLED bar to the new chips to the new OS--would be running in perfect condition and have LOTS of testing before it's released. Since this is such a big update, I'm sure Apple would just LOVE for it to go absolutely perfectly.
 
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if the new MacBook Pro doesn't come out by the end of October, I'm buying a 12in MacBook. I can't stand my 9 year old Windows laptop anymore.
 
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