Waiting for Skylake MBP thread

[dumastudetto]

the only way i could see there being a event is if they talk about more then just the mac but unfortunately there are no other products to be released this year and the software updates are all minor enough that there really isn't anything worth mentioning to the public that we already know.

They can still briefly mention the AirPods that are going on sale around the same time as the new Mac products. And the Nike Apple Watches. They don't really need a lot of filler for a short event anyway if they refresh everything that needs refreshing in the Mac line. They have more than enough to talk about to easily fill about 45 minutes to an hour.

I'm convinced there will be an event with invites going out in the next day or two.

 

[IndigoDesign]

It is, I've been thinking about it since the release of iPhone 7...very strange

I always had the impression that a PRO laptop should have at least ONE legacy USB 3.1 port. Also an SD or even micro-SD card slot. Not because it's necessary to import your video files and photos this way, but it's the only way to cheaply expand internal memory after purchase. And if we're looking at extra long upgrade-cycles now this should be a given, to tide you over to your next purchase.

Of course all of this has NOTHING to do with the business-reality of Apple.

 

[navaira]

Thoughts?

I seriously don't understand what their approach to Mac is at the moment. (Moment being last year or so.) I don't understand how iMacs are even sold with spinning drives. I don't understand why Air exists, other than price point. I don't understand what they did with the Mini in 2014. I don't understand why Mac Pro isn't updated for three years. Sure, it's a small (relatively) part of their revenue, but their goal should be to have more products that bring revenue and not just rely on the phones, right? And if they do intend to phase Macs out, why bother with Sierra at all and not release it as 10.11.7?

I really don't know why they would put so much money into a car that's really unlikely to bring them profits anywhere near enough what Mac generates, but neglect the computers entirely. We might be approaching post-computer era, but we aren't there quite yet, and the Macs brought them literally billions of $ in revenue this year. Surely it wouldn't cost THAT much to put out new MBP in rose gold, one added USB-C and doubled storage and call it an update. So I will assume they are doing something. But Mac Pro? There really aren't any new processors or GPUs that could be added to it? It's not even that there is no particular update that we want that's the problem. There just aren't any unless you count the anorexic toy rMB. At least rMBP 2015 is a really cool machine even if it's graphically underpowered to say the least. But the iMac with a spinner is just unforgivable.

You cannot build apps for the app store on an iOS device.

Every time I see this I think "knock on wood". There are 12" Macbooks! Who needs anything else! They're thin!

 

[Dualica 01]

5 years ? Wow, that is a nice deal you have. Have you ever tried to bring it back to Apple without Apple Care after one year ? Means AppleCare is useless to you ...
In Europe we have 2 years warranty which is mandatory to all manufacturers but it's quite a thing to try and have them honor it apprently after the standard 1 year (never tried).

I am in Norway too and just had an iphone 5s in for repair. They said that the screen error couldn't be fixed so I am getting a replacement device. Bought the iPhone in november 2013.

 

[IndigoDesign]

I do see a change in how software approaches workloads. I'm working in InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop most of the time. I generate a lot of print-PDFs and sometimes those PDFs are huge catalogues and brochures. A few versions in the past I couldn't use InDesign while it was processing a PDF. Now I can keep using it while it converts the PDF in the background. This eliminated the need to have a super-fast-cpu for processing a PDF imho.

Because when you're waiting to continue working, 1 minute until a print-PDF is done, is long. But when it's running in the background and just silently uploading to printer's ftp-drive without me taking notice, I don't care if it's compiling 1 minute, 2 or even 3.

The key thing is to keep the work-flow fluid. Obviously this doesn't fit everyone's use-case. I can imagine things are different when you're waiting for photoshop to apply a 30-step action onto your 25 mpixel photography of the milky way or you're trying to work on a multi-layer, effectladen After Effects Project.

Still, I think a lot can be done through optimization of Software.

When the next generation of storage media is ready, it will be so fast, RAM and your harddrive will merge into one unit, I am sure. Virtual Memory will just be as fast as RAM.

What I try to say is: Maybe they want us to "take a hit on brute force performance" because that's the way the industry is moving forward. Maybe we shouldn't expect a MBP to be somewhere near as powerful as a desktop for half the price. Maybe for portability we need to pay a much bigger performance-price.

Do I like this development?
Heck no!
But hey who knows... can you guys remember when MP3s came along? When we could convert our HUGE wav-collection to a fraction (about a 10th) of the size by using MP3 format? Maybe software can be further optimized so that much of an oomph processor-wise isn't even needed.

Sometime.
In the future.
Or not.

 

[Mkondrak]

Weird. If you are waiting to buy a Macbook Pro, how can the Macbook be a substitute? Either you dont need the power of a Macbook Pro or the macbook won't be enough

it's both. right now I feel that the 12in MacBook is underrated for its potential to be a decent everyday computer. I've heard stories of people multitasking on it with no slowdowns. however in the back of my head I still can't get around the processor and I would like to have a laptop that would easily last 5 years. a redesigned MacBook Pro would incorporate a much more powerful processor and a new design. with the new MacBook Pro I would be confident it would last me that long with little to no hiccups. there is no way in the world I'm paying Apple 1500 for a 3 year old current MBP, so the rMB is my only option right now. hopefully that will change by next week.

 

[Rob_2811]

Have you guys ever thought about this:

IF there is NO event, just a press-release with a nice Ive-Video, maybe they aren't too sure about their own thing? I mean what if it turned out not as revolutionary as wished? I imagine that when you can hold a huge presser about the iPhone 7 featuring miniscule upgrades and then DON't hold a similar event when you're bringing your "most significantly upgraded" Macbook Pro to the table, something's fishy.

Basically do you guys fathom it's a stinker product when there is no big buzz around it?
Wouldn't they go all out guns-blazing, knowing the PRO community desperately needs new mobile computers?
Except... the product sucks.

I have a bad feeling about it. Most likely they had lots of trouble with Skylake chips (there were rumours suggesting this) and probably just "tacked on" the OLED bar to give it SOMETHING new and fresh. Even though I feel like it's a gimick no one ever asked for. Round it out with the Macbook's ****** flat keyboard, only marginally smaller bezels and some hidden 1st-gen quirk (they of course know of but release it anyways, crossing their fingers) and voila: ****** Macbook Pro Upgrade that doesn't warrant a Presser.

Thoughts?

There is absolutely nothing fishy about it.

The iPhone is their biggest product by a country mile, it accounts for nearly three quarters of their enormous revenues, it outsells the Mac by more than ten to one. iPhone updates make national news headlines and people travel from all over the world to attend the keynote when a new model is announced. The interest in the Mac isn't even close.

What are they going to do hire out Moscone and have Phil Schiller present it to Walt Mossberg,Rene Ritchie, Three people from the Verge and John Gruber?

If there is going to be an event it won't be anything like the scale you see for the September keynotes.

 

[Mkondrak]

http://gizmodo.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-was-on-hillary-clintons-list-of-pote-1787919668

I guess she didn't pick him as her Vice President because Tim Cook wouldn't tell her when the new MacBook pros are coming out.

 

[Macintosh IIcx]

I have a Windows desktop pc to work from right now, but I really need a laptop, and nobody makes them better than Apple, IMO. I also need the MacOS for some of the work I do for a client in InDesign (and Illustrator/Photoshop), so I'm definitively want/need a MacBook Pro 15".

The primary reason I haven't bought a current MacBook Pro is the vastly improved GPU performance that I would expect from a Skylake iGPU or AMD Polaris GPU. I don't think that the CPU performance will take a big jump from ol' Haswell, neither do I think that the storage speed to go much up from a user performance experience.

Anyway, I want/need 512 GB of SSD storage, so I will probably go the 512 GB / dGPU version.

Another thing to keep in mind, when you decide on the Skylake CPU in your next MacBook Pro besides clock speed is the amount of CPU cache. The low end (still with Iris Pro iGPU) has 6 MB, the two faster ones have 8 MB. So I will try and get the middle one with 8 MB cache.

 

[Workerbee Redux]

There is something that still feels wrong: they've released the iPhone that connects to a USB-A port and now they will release a laptop that out of the box cant accept that iPhone since since all ports are USB-C? That seems very odd

Nothing odd about it, there are or will be USB-C -> Lightning cables.

 

[William Gates]

that sounds about right. and Mr. Gates deserves an award for outstanding username

No awards needed....unless it's a new MacBook Pro! I do wish I was wittier to play up the persona more. I'm too busy fighting malaria in Africa for great posts.

 

[mattburley7]

hopefully we see macOS sierra 10.12.1 today and the invites!

 

[Lollo]

Not sure about that. I would ask at your nearest apple store or check out apple. In Canada it is:

Every Mac and Apple display comes with a one-year limited warranty and up to 90 days of complimentary telephone technical support. Extend your coverage to three years from your hardware product's original purchase date with the AppleCare Protection Plan.

The warranty depends from where you buy a product. In EU it's 2 years, in US it's 1.

Yes, I read on Apple.com that each product you buy in EU has 2 ys of warranty, one from producer and the second one from retailer (so, basically, 2 full ys if you buy at Apple Store) while Apple Care works like an optional feature, which includes another year, support in every Apple Store in the world, dedicated support via phone and delivery at home.

Theorically, from what's written on Apple.com, the 2 years included warranty should cover everything also WITHOUT Apple Care. The problem is that I read about people who had to pay because Apple didn't recognize their hardware problems as covered by the "inclused" warranty.

Is there someone (I hope not) who had experiences like this? I don't want to pay for something I won't need.

 

[Critycal]

Yes, I read on Apple.com that each product you buy in EU has 2 ys of warranty, one from producer and the second one from retailer (so, basically, 2 full ys if you buy at Apple Store) while Apple Care works like an optional feature, which includes another year, support in every Apple Store in the world, dedicated support via phone and delivery at home.

Theorically, from what's written on Apple.com, the 2 years included warranty should cover everything also WITHOUT Apple Care. The problem is that I read about people who had to pay because Apple didn't recognize their hardware problems as covered by the "inclused" warranty.

Is there someone (I hope not) who had experiences like this? I don't want to pay for something I won't need.

I already explained this today. What you are saying is correct. If Apple don't want to repair the MacBook it's because the cause of the damage is not included in any warranty.

It's pretty easy. You're right about the 2 years warranty in Europe. However Apple only supports 1 year. So let's say you've bought your MacBook at the Mediamarkt (retailer). If it needs to be repaired within 1 year, you can go to Apple or to Mediamarkt. Both of them will repair it. If it's need to be repaired after that 1 year, Mediamarkt is the only place you can go since Apple won't repair it for you anymore. The retailer has to offer 2 years warranty, according to the law you're referring to.

So, long story short, if you want 2 years support from Apple itself you should buy the MacBook at an official Apple store.

 

[amirite]

Yes, I read on Apple.com that each product you buy in EU has 2 ys of warranty, one from producer and the second one from retailer (so, basically, 2 full ys if you buy at Apple Store) while Apple Care works like an optional feature, which includes another year, support in every Apple Store in the world, dedicated support via phone and delivery at home.

Theorically, from what's written on Apple.com, the 2 years included warranty should cover everything also WITHOUT Apple Care. The problem is that I read about people who had to pay because Apple didn't recognize their hardware problems as covered by the "inclused" warranty.

Is there someone (I hope not) who had experiences like this? I don't want to pay for something I won't need.

They try to pull this crap all the time. They actually tried to charge me for a faulty 2014 iPhone screen which was bleeding light or whatever. Huge dark blotches on the screen and it wasn't my fault.

Fortunately they don't seem to fight it once you bring up UK consumer law which covers stuff like this for several years, even outside of warranties.

If something breaks and it isn't your fault (and isn't expected wear and tear) then it's their responsibility to fix it. Unfortunately every time I'm at the Genius Bar waiting I see people being screwed over for faulty devices. "Oh your phone died for no reason? Yeah that's gonna be £200 for a replacement".
[doublepost=1476803008][/doublepost]Anyway, invites put out when we're on page 1194 I think.

 

[bfid111]

http://gizmodo.com/apple-ceo-tim-cook-was-on-hillary-clintons-list-of-pote-1787919668

I guess she didn't pick him as her Vice President because Tim Cook wouldn't tell her when the new MacBook pros are coming out.

Even if she picked Cook, he would not accept the offer because he would lose the power to delay new products on purpose and watch everyone cry in this thread

 

[mattburley7]

They try to pull this crap all the time. They actually tried to charge me for a faulty 2014 iPhone screen which was bleeding light or whatever. Huge dark blotches on the screen and it wasn't my fault.

Fortunately they don't seem to fight it once you bring up UK consumer law which covers stuff like this for several years, even outside of warranties.

If something breaks and it isn't your fault (and isn't expected wear and tear) then it's their responsibility to fix it. Unfortunately every time I'm at the Genius Bar waiting I see people being screwed over for faulty devices. "Oh your phone died for no reason? Yeah that's gonna be £200 for a replacement".
[doublepost=1476803008][/doublepost]Anyway, invites put out when we're on page 1194 I think.

i think its going to be longer then page 1194.... there have been a lot of posts lately.

 

[dmonnin]

Nothing odd about it, there are or will be USB-C -> Lightning cables.

lol already is http://www.apple.com/shop/product/M...d=aos-us-kwgo-pla-btb-slid--product-MK0X2AM/A

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

Yes, I read on Apple.com that each product you buy in EU has 2 ys of warranty, one from producer and the second one from retailer (so, basically, 2 full ys if you buy at Apple Store) while Apple Care works like an optional feature, which includes another year, support in every Apple Store in the world, dedicated support via phone and delivery at home.

Theorically, from what's written on Apple.com, the 2 years included warranty should cover everything also WITHOUT Apple Care. The problem is that I read about people who had to pay because Apple didn't recognize their hardware problems as covered by the "inclused" warranty.

Is there someone (I hope not) who had experiences like this? I don't want to pay for something I won't need.

EU warranty actually covers a period of 7 years on consumer electrical goods. The standard 1 year warranty received on all goods covers all hardware faults. The 2 year warranty is available in some countries but not all, and is the same deal. The up to 7 years cover basically includes any manufacturing defect that was present when the device was built. Basically if your screen packs up 3 years down the line there's nothing you can do unless you have apple care (Which covers all faults), or if it was a fault present at manufacture (They used dodgy glue).

The EU extended warranty is basically just to stop companies churning out faulty goods. It states that any electrical good should be fit for use for a period of up to 7 years. And was introduced to give consumers some confidence in their purchases but also to improve manufacturing standards.

p.s. with most companies, it's up to you to prove it was a manufacturing defect, unless there's been a class action somewhere or it is a known fault. And they don't usually offer you these services unless you poke them.

 

[Rob_2811]

This isn't an argument. You cannot use iOS for 95% of serious work that people do. You cannot build apps for the app store on an iOS device. MacOS is a large part of what ties people into the mac ecosystem. They make a huge amount out of their mac hardware.

You cannot have iOS without macOS. Its that simple. Tim Cook is not retarded. He knows that a huge part of the web is created by people using macs. All those millions of apps that make apple billions of dollars are written on macs. Can people stop slitting their wrists and declaring that apple don't care about something which is clearly vital to the companies future.

They don't care about it. Clearly. Can you imagine an iPhone or iPad going this long without an update ? Of course you can't!

You can't have iOS without MacOS at the moment, but you would have to be blind to not be able to see which way the wind is blowing.

 

[Critycal]

EU warranty actually covers a period of 7 years on consumer electrical goods. The standard 1 year warranty received on all goods covers all hardware faults. The 2 year warranty is available in some countries but not all, and is the same deal. The up to 7 years cover basically includes any manufacturing defect that was present when the device was built. Basically if your screen packs up 3 years down the line there's nothing you can do unless you have apple care (Which covers all faults), or if it was a fault present at manufacture (They used dodgy glue).

The EU extended warranty is basically just to stop companies churning out faulty goods. It states that any electrical good should be fit for use for a period of up to 7 years. And was introduced to give consumers some confidence in their purchases but also to improve manufacturing standards.

p.s. with most companies, it's up to you to prove it was a manufacturing defect, unless there's been a class action somewhere or it is a known fault. And they don't usually offer you these services unless you poke them.

Your post is incorrect. There is no 7 year warranty law. All EU countries do have the 2 year warranty law on all electronic devices. This covers all hardware faults. Moreover, in most countries it's up to the seller to prove it's your fault if the defect occurs in the first 6 months.

 

[mctrials23]

They don't care about it. Clearly. Can you imagine an iPhone or iPad going this long without an update ? Of course you can't!

You can't have iOS without MacOS at the moment, but you would have to be blind to not be able to see which way the wind is blowing.

How many years have manufacturers been churning out smartphones and tablets? How long have manufacturers been churning out laptops and desktops. How long have each of these OSs been around for?

Do you seriously think that proper laptops and desktops are going to enjoy the same focus and improvements year on year that mobiles do. Its really simple. There is far more mileage in iOS and mobile devices as well as the huge market for them.

People whinge to high heavens about not getting magical updates to macOS and the associated hardware when there isn't the technology or possibility to do that much.

If apple can keep the same design and 2 year old hardware and still have the best all in one laptop then what does that say about the market in general.

How many people still use macs from 5 years ago? How many people still use an iphone from 5 years ago?

 

[ceedge]

Not sure about that. I would ask at your nearest apple store or check out apple. In Canada it is:

Every Mac and Apple display comes with a one-year limited warranty and up to 90 days of complimentary telephone technical support. Extend your coverage to three years from your hardware product's original purchase date with the AppleCare Protection Plan.

i think if you buy your Mac on Amex card you get some kind of additional protection as well under their warranty program - http://www.cultofmac.com/307508/mac-credit-card-extended-warranty/

 

[cenewman0]

I took one for the team and bought a refurb 15" MBP yesterday, so hopefully y'all get your invites soon! I thought and thought and thought and finally settled on there's basically nothing they could release that would make me want to buy a new 2016 instead of a refurbished 2015, so I went ahead. Saved some $$ too. I'm upgrading all the way from Core 2 Duo (late-2008 MBP running OS 10.6.8), so don't even get me started on Haswell vs. Skylake. My 2015 MBP is going to be such an awesome monster compared to my still-functional trusty 7.5-year-old MBP.

ETA: I was going to wait until the 2016 release to see if the refurb 2015 prices dropped, but I read a bunch of comments on other MacRumors threads that basically all said the prices rarely drop, especially not enough to be worth waiting.

 

[a_coorn]

So if there's an invite today, we should expect it within the next hour or two, right?