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what if Apple discounted the whole Mac lineup. (i know that won't happen since iOS development is Mac only but let's imagine). would you buy the current MacBook Pro knowing there won't be a successor?
Now THAT would be an event.

"Say hello, wave goodbye".

And yes, I would be happy to keep my MBP. macOS has just been updated and will serve at least for 2-3 years, I can't imagine software I use just *poof* disappearing, and in 3 years I can either switch to Linux/Windows (send help) or buy a new Dell (send help).
 
Yeah probably. I could probably get 5-6 years out of it, at which point most vendors will rewrite their software for Windows.

Plus OS X could probably be used as a VM on Windows. This is already possible today but the existing hypervisors need to be patched before they let you install OS X. This could be done out of the box.

For a second I thought @killawat was responding to his own question? I was like woah, thats desperate.

That same avatar is tripping me.

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Gotta lay off the herbs for a few days, knaw what I mean.
 
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Are there any well-known companies that make opaque MacBook cases that will likely do the same for the new ones? I hate transparent cases because they are gaudy; I don't care for everyone to know I have a Mac.
 
Last time I was this hyped was three years ago ahead of the launch of Mac Pro 2013. My F5 key took a pounding for a couple of months until December 19, 2013 when the Apple Store finally made MPs available for order. My F5 key got worn down even more as I checked to see if my credit card had been charged and if it had shipped, and I finally received my Mac Pro on January 31, 2014. My F5 key was just a blob of plastic by that stage. Hoping for a much shorter timescale before I get my hands on a MBP 16!

It seems almost certain that the new Macs will be ARM-based. To bring the thoughts I have read and my own together:

(1) Apple has neglected to update its entire Mac line apart from the rMB when it could have very easily done so with Intel CPUs over the last couple of years.
(2) Touch ID is promoted as relying on a "secure enclave" which ARM CPUs have but Intel CPUs do not.
(3) Apple already describes ARM CPUs as "desktop class" and we know from the iPhone 7 that the Axx series now scales to four cores so could potentially scale much further.
(4) Switching to ARM enables Apple to decouple its launch windows going forward from Intel CPU releases, so as to avoid it been benchmarked against the PC industry generally and not face criticism for not updating its line at intervals essentially determined by Intel (the basis of this very thread on Macrumors!).
(5) Intel CPUs have improved negligibly over the last few years, whereas Axx CPUs have done so very radically, and without the need for active cooling.
(6) Reference to ARM CPUs was included in the public version of macOS Sierra as of a month ago (why do that now and indeed why change the name from OSX to macOS at this time?).
(7) Apple Store submissions are no longer CPU architecture dependent, so developers do not need to convert their code or rely on Rosetta 2.0.
(8) Switching to ARM inherently block x86 apps downloaded from outside the App Store which could contain malware.
(9) Folks who currently sell their Apps outside the App store could start selling them via the App Store to make them ARM compatible, so not necessarily a huge issue generally (of course there are exceptions).
(10) Could allow iOS Apps and Games to run natively (and sync with) your Mac, which could be quite fun and potentially allow a purchase of an App in the Apple store to be universal across iOS and macOS if Apple could be so charitable.
(11) Apple has never really cared about how well Windows runs in as VM or on bootcamp.
(12) ARM is more power efficient, enabling Apple to shrink the battery or further extend battery life.
(13) "Hello" in Apple parlance has traditionally accompanied a very significant change and none of the other rumored changes seem significant enough to me.
(14) There isn't a number 14.

Steve Job's "It's True" presentation announcing the switch from PowerPC to Intel is one of my favorites of all time (and I made the mistake of buying a PowerMac just half a year before, and I'm not making that mistake again!). I'm expecting something similar a week today and looking forward to it!
 
Guys what do you think about black friday? Does Apple make good discounts for Macbook pro usually on this date? And can I get 2 discounts at the same time? (Student plus black friday).
 
Steve Job's "It's True" presentation announcing the switch from PowerPC to Intel is one of my favorites of all time (and I made the mistake of buying a PowerMac just half a year before, and I'm not making that mistake again!). I'm expecting something similar a week today and looking forward to it!

"Hello ..." could indeed be a hint for a real change. I'm not such convinced as it is not really a Hello to ARM "... again".
 
In my case Applecare wouldn't have mattered. Apple extended the warranty for all early 2008 MBPs with the dGPU issue, with or without Applecare, because it knew about and admitted to the problem (eventually). In my case though, the "Geniuses" denied that my issues qualified under the extended warranty...basically they said it was something else on the logic board other than the dGPU that was failing. I don't know how they could make that determination when my issues were clearly graphics related; everything but the video would boot up fine.
Did you ever try escalating the issue through Apple and talking to a higher up? That's how they swapped out my white MacBook out of warranty for chipping issue they all had. 3 fixes and on the 4th I asked if I could get a new computer. Talked to a few people and they approved it.
 
"Hello ..." could indeed be a hint for a real change. I'm not such convinced as it is not really a Hello to ARM "... again".

The other point I neglected to mention is that, whereas there are some pretty compelling reasons to switch to ARM, there are few compelling reasons to stay with Intel. I may be completely wrong - but fortunately won't need to wait much longer to find out :)
 
(13) "Hello" in Apple parlance has traditionally accompanied a very significant change and none of the other rumored changes seem significant enough to me.
(14) There isn't a number 14.
The other point I neglected to mention is that, whereas there are some pretty compelling reasons to switch to ARM, there are few compelling reasons to stay with Intel. I may be completely wrong - but fortunately won't need to wait much longer to find out :)

That could have been point 14, which you wasted. Just saying. No harm feelings.



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Not really interested in this thread now that the invites have been sent out, im gonna miss the wait lol

You'll be waiting all over again once you've placed your order; you'll just be looking at your shipping page instead of websites full of rumors. :)
 
Hey you can buy AppleCare later, just saying, you have up to 1 year to purchase AppleCare. If you slip past your first year you can't get AppleCare for it...
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I am just giving this a THUMBS UP cause I am rolling with the comedy!! haha, "I'm not sure if a Small Business..." Microsoft == Small Business NOW haha, it's just kept rolling....
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I listened to Windows Weekly last night, and they are saying that Microsoft is getting ready to quite possibly get out of the "Consumer Industry" and go strictly "Corporate Only", except for Xbox. Meaning they still might make Surface Products, but those products would strictly be "Corporate Models" that consumers could still buy but you get what they are saying.

And then if you look at Apple they are going full force into Consumer/Health/Home and getting out of Corporate/Business Services/etc...

Kinda sick but it makes perfect sense. its like two QIX like objects floating around like \ and / collided made a + then split and now you have — and |, in my mind totally opposite but complimentary.

Could you image if Apple, Microsoft, and IBM merged? hehe jk...

But the Consumer Company vs the Corporate Company, would be a good battle to watch see who rakes in more cash!

I agree completely. But while Apple is moving away from the corporate battle, they're still winning it. As more and more businesses allow employees to choose Macs, employees will think with their consumer mindset and choose Apple.
 
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I understand upgrading the ssd and ram in the MacBook Pro. but do you really think paying ~$300 extra for a ~0.3 gdz speed boost is worth it? I'm not trying to be mean. I'm legitimately curious.

No, but still feels nice to have the top end model. Boys will be boys I suppose. At least it's only $180 after edu discount. Also, it helps when selling the machine after a few years to put down, 'fully maxed out, most powerful 2016 MBP'.
 
(1) Apple has neglected to update its entire Mac line apart from the rMB when it could have very easily done so with Intel CPUs over the last couple of years.

Not going to happen. That would be a major step in the wrong direction. Appliactions for the mac are not like the iphone where it should be tightly controlled. By going with ARM or a custom in house chip, it'd beak all sorts of compatibility with current appliactions and render the laptop useless.
 
what if Apple discounted the whole Mac lineup. (i know that won't happen since iOS development is Mac only but let's imagine). would you buy the current MacBook Pro knowing there won't be a successor?
What if Apple comes out and says we are putting the Mac to rest and introducing.......Xcode for Windows. Xcode.exe

Good Lord that sounds like someones nightmare.
 
Maybe it's not ARM. The "again" portion is the giveaway.

"For those who've been waiting a really long time, introducing the Powerbook G5..."

Last time I was this hyped was three years ago ahead of the launch of Mac Pro 2013. My F5 key took a pounding for a couple of months until December 19, 2013 when the Apple Store finally made MPs available for order. My F5 key got worn down even more as I checked to see if my credit card had been charged and if it had shipped, and I finally received my Mac Pro on January 31, 2014. My F5 key was just a blob of plastic by that stage. Hoping for a much shorter timescale before I get my hands on a MBP 16!

It seems almost certain that the new Macs will be ARM-based. To bring the thoughts I have read and my own together:

(1) Apple has neglected to update its entire Mac line apart from the rMB when it could have very easily done so with Intel CPUs over the last couple of years.
(2) Touch ID is promoted as relying on a "secure enclave" which ARM CPUs have but Intel CPUs do not.
(3) Apple already describes ARM CPUs as "desktop class" and we know from the iPhone 7 that the Axx series now scales to four cores so could potentially scale much further.
(4) Switching to ARM enables Apple to decouple its launch windows going forward from Intel CPU releases, so as to avoid it been benchmarked against the PC industry generally and not face criticism for not updating its line at intervals essentially determined by Intel (the basis of this very thread on Macrumors!).
(5) Intel CPUs have improved negligibly over the last few years, whereas Axx CPUs have done so very radically, and without the need for active cooling.
(6) Reference to ARM CPUs was included in the public version of macOS Sierra as of a month ago (why do that now and indeed why change the name from OSX to macOS at this time?).
(7) Apple Store submissions are no longer CPU architecture dependent, so developers do not need to convert their code or rely on Rosetta 2.0.
(8) Switching to ARM inherently block x86 apps downloaded from outside the App Store which could contain malware.
(9) Folks who currently sell their Apps outside the App store could start selling them via the App Store to make them ARM compatible, so not necessarily a huge issue generally (of course there are exceptions).
(10) Could allow iOS Apps and Games to run natively (and sync with) your Mac, which could be quite fun and potentially allow a purchase of an App in the Apple store to be universal across iOS and macOS if Apple could be so charitable.
(11) Apple has never really cared about how well Windows runs in as VM or on bootcamp.
(12) ARM is more power efficient, enabling Apple to shrink the battery or further extend battery life.
(13) "Hello" in Apple parlance has traditionally accompanied a very significant change and none of the other rumored changes seem significant enough to me.
(14) There isn't a number 14.

Steve Job's "It's True" presentation announcing the switch from PowerPC to Intel is one of my favorites of all time (and I made the mistake of buying a PowerMac just half a year before, and I'm not making that mistake again!). I'm expecting something similar a week today and looking forward to it!
 
I can't even imagine the difference between my current 13 inch mid 2010 and a new 15 inch with Skylake. I'm so ****ing hyped
 
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